"THE REIDOUT" WITH JOY REID
STARTS NOW. >>> GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE.
>>> GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE.
WE BEGIN "THE REIDOUT" WITH E
CRANE FIGHTING
-- UKRAINE STILL FIGHTING
FACING STIFF RESISTANCE ON THE
GROUND VLADIMIR PUTIN'S OVER
EXTENDED FORCES CONTINUE A
STRATEGY OF SIEGE WARFARE
BOMBARDING WITH MISSILES AND
ARTILLERY WITH NO REGARD FOR
CIVILIAN CASUALTIES, THE ON SLOT
HAS LAID WASTE TO HOSPITALS,
SCHOOLS AND APARTMENTS.
TRAPPING UKRAINE'S RESIDENTS IN
AN ACTIVE WAR ZONE AFTER RUSSIA
VIOLATED A NUMBER OF SEIZE FIRE
AGREEMENTS, BOTH COUNTRIES TODAY
AGREED TO EVACUATE THE BESIEGED
CITY IN NORTHEASTERN UKRAINE
WHERE RESIDENTS BEGAN TO FLEE
THIS MORNING AFTER THAT CITY
FACED INTENSE SHELLING OVERNIGHT
WHICH KILLED 21 PEOPLE INCLUDING
TWO CHILDREN ACCORDING TO
UKRAINIAN AUTHORITIES.
LIKE
LIKE-WISE, POLICE SAY ANOTHER
2,000 CIVILIANS FLEAED FROM
OUTSIDE THE CAPITAL OF KYIV
WHERE RUSSIAN FORCES STRUCK AN
EVACUATION ROUTE IN A SUDDEN AND
DELIBERATE ATTACK AND THAT CITY
APPEARS TO BE TARGETED AS RUSSIA
SURROUNDS KYIV.
>> Reporter: DESCRIBE TO ME WHAT
IS GOING ON. >> HELL.
>> HELL. HELL.
>> TODAY UKRAINE IS AGAIN
ACCUSING RUSSIA OF STRIKING AN
EVACUATION ROUTE OUT OF MARIUPOL
WHERE 200,000 CIVILIANS ARE
TRYING TO ESCAPE AN INCREASINGLY
DIRE SITUATION.
THAT CITY SURROUNDED BY RUSSIAN
FORCES HAS BEEN WITHOUT POWER,
GAS OR WATER FOR A WEEK.
CORPSES REPORTEDLY LINE THE
STREET WHERE RESIDENTS ARE SALVE
VAGUE
LOOKING FOR FOOD IN URGENT NEED OF RELIEF.
OF RELIEF.G FOR FOOD IN URGENT N
OF RELIEF.G FOR FOOD IN URGENT N OF RELIEF.
OF RELIEF.LOOKING FOR FOOD IN UR
OF RELIEF.LOOKING FOR FOOD IN UR OF RELIEF.
OF RELIEF.LOOKING FOR FOOD IN UR
OF RELIEF.LOOKING FOR FOOD IN UR OF RELIEF.
THIS WAS THE FOURTH DAY IN A ROW
ATTEMPTS TO EVACUATE MARIUPOL
FAILED DUE TO RUSSIAN SHELLING
ACCORDING TO THE "WALL STREET
JOURNAL."
THESE HEARTBREAKING SCENES MAKE
IT CLEAR WHY PUTIN'S WAR OF
CHOICE FUELED A MASS EXODIS OF 2
MILLION REFUGEES, 100 UKRAINEIAN
LEAVING THEIR COUNTRY EVERY
MINUTE.
1 MILLION ARE CHILDREN WHO HAD
TO LEAVE BEHIND EVERYTHING
THEY'VE EVER KNOWN.
>> I REALLY WANTED TO GO HOME
BECAUSE THEY'RE MY FRIENDS, AND
BEAUTIFUL PARKS, SUPERMARKETS,
CENTERS AND PLAYGROUNDS BEHIND
MY HOUSE.
THEY'RE MY TOYS.
THEY'RE MY FRIENDS THAT I DON'T
KNOW WHERE MY FRIENDS NOW.
>> BUT AMONG THOSE HEARTBREAKING
SCENES, THERE ARE ALSO SIGNS OF
HOPE AND SOLIDARITY.
TODAY PRESIDENT ZELENSKYY WAS
MET WITH A STANDING OVATION FROM
THE BRITISH PARLIAMENT AFTER A
SPEECH.
HE CALLED RUSSIA A TERRORIST
STATE AND PLED FOR MORE SUPPORT.
THE MOST NOTABLY, HE ECHOED THE
WORDS OF WINSTON CHURCH HILL AS
HE VOWED TO FIGHT THE RUSSIAN
INVADERS UNTIL THE VERY END.
>> Translator: I WOULD LIKE TO
REMIND YOU THAT THE UNITED
KINGDOM HAVE ALREADY HEARD WHICH
IMPORTANT AGAIN.
WE WILL NOT GIVE UP AND WE WILL
NOT LOSE.
WE WILL FIGHT UNTIL THE END AT
SEA IN THE AIR, WE WILL CONTINUE
FIGHTING FOR OUR LAND, WHATEVER
THE COST.
>> WE SEEN THAT FIGHTING SPIRIT
TODAY AMONG UKRAINIAN WOMEN.
SOME OF WHOM ARE MARKING
INTERNATIONAL WOMEN'S DAY WITH
VIDEOS SHOWCASING THEIR RESOLVE TO FIGHT RUSSIA.
TO FIGHT RUSSIA. RUSSIA.
>> THIS COMES AS PRESIDENT BIDEN
TODAY ANNOUNCED THE UNITED
STATES WILL BAN IMPORTS OF OIL
WHICH WILL FURTHER SQUEEZE THE
RUSSIAN ECONOMY AND POLAND
OFFERED TO IMMEDIATELY TRANSFER
ALL OF THE RUSSIAN MADE FIGHTER
JETS TO A U.S. AIR BASE IN
GERMANY.
HOWEVER, U.S. OFFICIALS SAY
NEITHER THE PENTAGON NOR STATE
DEPARTMENT WERE CONSULTED ON
THAT PROPOSAL.
JOINING ME NOW FROM LVIV IS CAL
PERRY.
I WANT TO START THERE, CAL.
THIS PLAN BY POLAND TO TRANSFER
FIGHTER JETS NOT DIRECTLY TO
UKRAINE BUT TO GERMANY MEANING
THAT THE UNITED STATES IS NOW
RESPONSIBLE FOR SOMEHOW GETTING
THEM INTO THE HANDS OF
UKRAINIANS AND UKRAINIAN PILOTS,
THAT SOUNDS LIKE POLAND DECIDED
TO, I DON'T KNOW, SHIRK THE
RESPONSIBILITY AND PASS THE BUCK
AND I WONDER HOW THAT IS GOING
TO WORK OUT.
>> Reporter: YEAH, I MEAN, I
THINK IT CLEAR THEY'RE LOOKING
FOR A HIDMIDDLEMAN TO GIVE THEM
INSTEAD OF TRANSFERRING HERE.
THERE IS AN OBVIOUS REASON FOR
THAT.
WE HEARD NATO SAYING THIS COULD
BE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT STARTS
A WORLD WAR.
THIS IS WHY NATO DOESN'T WANT TO
PUT A NO FLY ZONE IN HERE.
WE HEARD FROM THE SECRETARY
GENERAL SAYING HE BELIEVES MORE
LIVES WILL BE SAVED BY LIMITING
THE WAR HERE IN UKRAINE AS
DIFFICULT AS THAT IS TO IMAGINE,
WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THESE
FOR THREE DAYS.
I
IT WAS INTERESTING THREE DAYS
AGO HOW WILL WE GET AND HOW WILL
THE UKRAINIAN MILITARY GET THE
JETS OUT OF POLAND?
THE IDEA IS PILOTS WOULD DRIVE
ACROSS THE BORDER INTO POLAND
AND FLY THE JETS HERE, CLEARLY
THE POLISH GOVERNMENT DIDN'T
WANT THAT.
IT IS INTERESTING, OBVIOUSLY,
THE AMERICANS WERE CAUGHT OFF
GUARD WITH THIS.
SENIOR DEFENSE OFFICIALS TELLING
MY COLLEAGUE, THEY WERE CAUGHT
OFF GUARD.
THEY SAW THIS AS A POLISH
DECISION.
THEY DID NOT KNOW THIS WAS
COMING AND IT IS THAT PUSH AND
PULL.
YOU HAVE EUROPEAN NATIONS,
MEMBERS OF NATO WHO DO NOT WANT
TO ABANDON UKRAINE.
THEY DON'T WANT TO LEAVE UKRAINE
AT THE HANDS OF THE RUSSIAN ARMY
AND AT THE SAME TIME, THEY DON'T
WANT TO BE THE REASON VALD MIR
PUT
VLADIMIR PUTIN WIDENS THIS WAR.
IT'S AN INTERESTING QUESTION AS
I'M 50 MILES FROM THE POLISH
BORDER
BORDER, WE KNOW WEAPONS ARE
COMING ACROSS SOMEWHERE.
WE DON'T KNOW WHERE OR HOW.
THERE IS AN OBVIOUS REASON WE
DON'T KNOW THOSE THINGS SO HOW
DO THESE NATIONS FIND THEIR WAY
THROUGH THIS AS KIDS ARE DYING
IN THESE BASEMENTS ACROSS THE
EASTERN PART OF THE COUNTRY AND
THESE ARE THE WORDS OF PRESIDENT
ZELENSKYY, HOW CAN THE WEST
STAND BY AND DO NOTHING?
POLAND IS TRYING TO DO SOMETHING
WITHOUT BEING A TARGET, WITHOUT
LEAVING THE UKRAINIAN PEOPLE
BEHIND.
IT IS AN IMPOSSIBLE LINE TO
WALK, JOY.
>> AND THE THING IS POLAND HAS
ACCEPTED I THINK ROUGHLY HALF A
MILLION PEOPLE.
THEY'RE ACCEPTING REFUGEES
COMING OUT OF UKRAINE.
THEY'RE NOT DOING NOTHING.
BUT IT STRIKES ME THAT THE
UNITED STATES HAS BEEN
INCREDIBLY TRANSPARENT, THE
BIDEN ADMINISTRATION HAS GIVEN
ALL THE INTELLIGENCE THAT YOU
COULD POSSIBLY GIVE.
THEY'VE BEEN VERY OPEN ABOUT
THAT INTELLIGENCE.
THEY'VE TRIED TO REALLY WORK
HAND AND HAND WITH OUR NATO
ALLIES AND YET, NOW, YOU HAVE
POLAND SAYING WELL, WE'LL GIVE
YOU THE JETS BUT A, WE WANT YOU,
THE U.S. TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO
GET THEM INTO UKRAINE AND B, WE
WANT ALLEGEDLY APPARENTLY TO
HAVE REIMBURSEMENT JETS SENT TO
US.
JOHN KIRBY, THE SPOKESPERSON FOR
THE PENTAGON SAID THAT HE --
THIS RAISES SERIOUS CONCERNS FOR
THE ENTIRE NATO ALLIANCE SAYING
IT'S NOT CLEAR THERE IS A
SUBSTANTIVE RATION NALAL FOR IT
BECAUSE I THOUGHT THE FEAR WAS A
DIRECT CONFRONTATION BETWEEN THE
QUITE AND
UNITED STATES AND RUSSIA.
THIS SEEMS TO SET US UP FOR
THAT.
>> Reporter: RIGHT, LOOK, UNDER
ARTICLE 5, IT DOESN'T REALLY
MATTER AS FAR AS NATO IS
CONCERNED BECAUSE IF THE U.S.
WERE TO ENGAGE WITH RUSSIAN
FORCES AND LET'S BE VERY CLEAR,
THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED
STATES HAS MADE IT CLEAR AS FAR
AS HE'S CONCERNED THANKS IS NOT
GOING TO HAPPEN.
THE DEFENSE MADE IT CLEAR THAT
IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN BUT IF IT
WERE, ARTICLE 5 WOULD TRIGGER AN
END AND POLAND WOULD HAVE TO
STEP IN UNDER THE NATO CHARTER.
ALL OF THIS IS INTERESTING.
IT'S A SHUFFLING OF THESE JETS
AROUND.
IT'S ALSO INTERESTING WHAT
YOU'RE SAYING THAT POLAND IS
WILLING TO GIVE UP THESE JETS IN
EXCHANGE FOR NEW JETS COMING
FROM THE U.S. TO SORT OF BACK
FILL THEIR ARSENAL.
BUT WHY IS IT THAT THEY'RE ONLY
WILLING TO HAND IT OFF TO THE
AMERICANS?
THAT'S THE REAL QUESTION.
THE FOLLOWUP QUESTION IS WHY
DIDN'T THEY RUN THIS BY THE
AMERICANS BEFORE ANNOUNCING IT?
WHY THIS WAS ANNOUNCEMENT MADE
WITHOUT COORDINATING WITH THE
PENTAGON AND WHITE HOUSE?
IT SEEMS LIKE THEY'RE PASSING
THE BUCK BUT WALKING THE FINE
LINE THEY WANT TO SHOW THE
UKRAINIAN PEOPLE, THEY WANT TO
SHOW THE UKRAINIAN PRESIDENT AND
HE'S BEEN CALLING FOR THE JETS
FOR THREE OR FOUR DAYS AND
SCREAMING FOR A NO FLY ZONE AND
FOR THESE AIRPLANES.
IT'S ALMOST LIKE THE POLISH
GOVERNMENT SAID WE'RE SATISFYING
THE PRESIDENT OF UKRAINE'S
REQUEST WITHOUT GETTING INVOLVED
DIRECTLY WITH RUSSIA, JOY.
>> YEAH, IT'S AN INTERESTING
MOVE.
I WILL PUT IT THAT WAY, CAL
PERRY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
STAY SAFE.
>>> I'M JOINED BY A MEMBER OF
THE UKRAINE YN PARLIAMENT.
I WANT TO ASK YOU, THANK YOU FOR
BEING HERE AND TALKING WITH US.
ABOUT THAT OFFER BY POLAND,
BECAUSE IT DOES SEEM TO ME THAT
RIGHT THERE IN THE REGION,
TRANSFERRING IT TO GERMANY IS
NOT TRANSFERRING IT DIRECTLY TO
UKRAINE.
TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE.
IT WILL TAKE TIME TO DO THIS
TWO-WAY HANDOFF PARTICULARLY
SINCE THE AMERICANS WEREN'T
CONSULTED.
WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THIS
DECISION BY POLAND TO HAND OVER
THE JETS WHICH IS GOOD BUT DO IT
THIS WAY?
>> WELL, FRANKLY SPEAKING, THAT
DOES SOUND LIKE AN OLD SCHEME.
WE WERE NOT SURE EXACTLY HOW THE
POLISH SIDE WILL PROCEED. WE ARE EXTREMELY HAPPY TO LEARN
WE ARE EXTREMELY HAPPY TO LEARN
THAT BRINGING THE FIGHTER JETS
IS GOING ON BUT IT SEEMS LIKE
THERE WILL BE SOME TIME BEFORE
WE ACTUALLY GET THE JETS AND IN
OUR CASE, UNFORTUNATELY, TIME IS
CALCULATE IN HUMAN LIVES LOST.
WE DO KNOW AS OF NOW, THAT FIVE
CHILDREN ARE KILLED EVERY DAY SO
EVERY DAY OF DELAY WAS
DELIVERING THOSE JETS TO UKRAINE
FOR ANY REASON BE IT LOGISTICS,
POLITICAL, ANYTHING ELSE IS
LEADING TO CHILDREN'S LIVES LOST
IN UKRAINE.
WE HOPE THAT WILL BE FIGURED OUT
ONE WAY OR ANOTHER PRETTY SOON