YOU OWN IT. >> WELL, AND HE WOKENN’T EVEN SP
TO THE WOMAN WHO REPRESENTS EL
PASO.
PASO. IT’S AWFUL.
IT’S AWFUL. REPUBLICAN CONGREMAN MICHAEL
TURNER OF OHIO WHOSE
CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT INCLUDES
DAYTON HAS ENDORSED A BAN ON
MILITARY STYLE WEAPONS.
THE CONGRESSMAN HAS AN A RATING
FROM THE NRA AND VOTED AGAINST A
BILL TO EXPAND BACKGROUND CHECKS
EARLIER THIS YEAR, BUT
CONGRESSMAN TURNER RELEASED A
STATEMENT YESTERDAY ANNOUNCING
HIS SUPPORT FOR THE RESTRICTING
THE SALE OF MILITARY STYLE
WEAPONS TO CIVILIANS.
HE’S ALSO CALLED FOR A MAGAZINE
LIMIT AND RED FLAG LEGISLATION.
THIS WEEKEND’S MASS SHOOTING IN
DAYTON WAS PERSONAL FOR THE
CONGRESSMAN.
CONGRESSMAN. NOT ONLY DOES THE CITY FALL
UNDER HIS DISTRICT BUT HIS
DAUGHTER AND A FAMILY FRIEND
WERE ALSO ACROSS THE STREET FROM
WHERE THE SHOOTING BEGAN ON
SUNDAY MORNING.
SUNDAY MORNING. THE CONGRESSMAN TWEETED QUOTE,
MY DAUGHTER AND FRIEND FLED INTO
THE OREGON DISTRICT AND
CONTACTED ME AT 2:00 A.M. AS
THEY RAN HOME.
I FOLLOWED THEIR PROGRESS AND
PRAYED FOR THEM AND OUR
COMMUNITY.
COMMUNITY. THANK YOU TO DAYTON POLICE FOR
THEIR BRAVERY IN STOPPING THIS
EVIL.
EVIL. THE REPUBLICAN GOVERNOR OF OHIO
MIKE DEWINE IS ASKING STATE
LAWMAKERS TO TAKE ACTION ON A
SERIES OF MEASURES THAT WOULD
HELP FIGHT GUN VIOLENCE.
HIS LIST OF POLICY PROPOSALS
INCLUDES A RED FLAG LAW, WHICH
ALLOWS FAMILY MEMBERS OR POLICE
TO SEEK REMOVAL OF FIREARMS FROM
INDIVIDUALS WHOM THEY FEAR COULD
CAUSE HARM TO THEMSELVES OR
OTHERS.
OTHERS. DEWINE IS URGING STATE LAWMAKERS
TO PASS BACKGROUND CHECKS FOR
GUN SALES AND TO PROVIDE MONEY
TO STRENGTHEN SOFT TARGETS LIKE
THE OREGON DISTRICT WHERE THIS
WEEKEND’S MASS SHOOTING TOOK
PLACE.
PLACE. THE GOVERNOR IS CALLING FOR
IMPROVED ACCESS TO MENTAL HEALTH
TREATMENT.
TREATMENT. HE’S ASKING THAT THE OHIO
DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SAFETY
INCREASE ITS MONITORING OF
SOCIAL MEDIA AND THE GOVERNOR
ALSO WANTS TO INCREASE THE
PENALTIES FOR ANYONE WHO BREAKS
THE LAW WHEN IT COMES TO BUYING,
SELLING OR OWNING FIREARMS, AND
RED FLAG LAWS ARE PICKING UP
MOMENTUM WITH SOME REPUBLICAN
MEMBERS OF CONGRESS IN
WASHINGTON.
WASHINGTON. ACCORDING TO "THE NEW YORK
TIMES," GOP LAWMAKERS ARE
COALESCING AROUND LEGISLATION TO
HELP LAW ENFORCEMENT TAKE GUNS
FROM THOSE WHO POSE AN IMMINENT
DANGER.
DANGER. IF SIGNED INTO LAW, IT WOULD BE
THE MOST SIGNIFICANT GUN CONTROL
LEGISLATION IN TWO DECADES.
IN THE SENATE, WHERE A
BACKGROUND CHECKS BILL FAILED IN
2013, AFTER 26 CHILDREN AND
STAFF MEMBERS WERE GUNNED DOWN
AT SANDY HOOK ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
IN NEWTOWN, CONNECTICUT, RED
FLAG LAWS MAY BE THE ONLY GUN
RELATED MEASURE THAT COULD
SQUEEZE THROUGH.
SQUEEZE THROUGH. SENATOR JOHN THUNE OF SOUTH
DAKOTA TOLD HIS HOMETOWN
NEWSPAPER THAT HE WAS CONFIDENT
CONGRESS WILL BE ABLE TO FIND
COMMON GROUND ON THE SO-CALLED
RED FLAG ISSUE.
SENATOR LINDSEY GRAHAM HAS
ALREADY PROPOSED LEGISLATION
THAT WOULD OFFER FEDERAL GRANTS
TO STATES TO HELP THEM ENACT AND
ENFORCE RED FLAG LAWS ALSO KNOWN
AS EXTREME RISK PROTECTION
ORDERS.
ORDERS. >> SO YAMICHE, THESE ARE ALL
GOOD FIRST STEPS, BUT IT’S ALSO
TO NOTE THAT EVERY ONE OF THESE
ISSUES SHOULD HAVE BEEN PASSED
YEARS AGO AND WHEN THEY PASS
NOW, MOST OF THEM ARE WHAT WE’D
CALL IN CONGRESS 90/10 ISSUES,
90 PERCENT OF AMERICANS SUPPORT,
10% OPPOSE.
10% OPPOSE. YOU COULD ALSO SAY THAT ABOUT
EXPANDED BACKGROUND CHECKS AND
ARE SO MANY GUN MEASURES THAT
REPUBLICANS HAVE DELIBERATELY
KILLED TIME AND TIME AGAIN.
SO ARE WE FINALLY STARTING TO
SEE THE ICEBERG BREAK UP A BIT,
AND STARTING TO SEE SOME GUN
SAFETY MEASURES SATURDAY TO MAKE
IT THROUGH THE LEGISLATIVE
PROCESS?
PROCESS? >> WE’RE STARTING TO SEE AT
LEAST SOME ACTION ON GUN ISSUES
AND GUN LAW CHANGES.
BUT I THINK WHAT I TOOK AWAY
AFTER SPENDING SOME TIME IN
DAYTON FIRST BEFORE THE SHOOTING
AND THEN AFTER THE SHOOTING WAS
THAT PEOPLE ARE IN SOME WAYS
REALLY FRUSTRATED WITH THE IDEA
THAT LAWMAKERS ALSO HAVE TO BE
PERSONALLY TOUCHED BEFORE THEY
FEEL MOVED.
FEEL MOVED. YOU THINK OF REPRESENTATIVE
TURNER, HIS DAUGHTER WAS ACROSS
THE STREET.
THE STREET. THAT MIGHT NOW HAVE REALLY KIND
OF SUNK IN FOR HIM EXACTLY HOW
TERRIBLE THESE SHOOTINGS ARE,
AND I SPOKE TO A YOUNGMAN IN
ANTHONY REYNOLDS WHO SAID I
WASN’T PAYING ATTENTION TO MASS
SHOOTINGS AND WHEN EL PASO
HAPPENED, I FELT BAD FOR THEM,
BUT I DIDN’T FEAR FOR MY OWN
SAFETY.
SAFETY. I WENT OUT AND I WAS HAVING A
DRINK AT THE BAR AND I WASN’T
THINKING ABOUT THAT, AND THEN I
WAS 10 FEET AWAY FROM SOMEONE
WITH AN ASSAULT RIFLE KILLING
PEOPLE RIGHT NEXT TO ME, AND I
THOUGHT WHY SHOULD HE HAVE THAT
GUN, AND REYNOLDS SAID I NOW
FEEL UPSET ABOUT THE IDEA THAT
IT TOOK FOR ME TO HAVE TO BE
RUNNING FOR MY LIFE TO SIT DOWN
AND SAY THESE LAWS NEED TO
CHANGE.
CHANGE. MAYBE IT’S BECAUSE WE NOW SEE
BACK-TO-BACK MASS SHOOTINGS THAT
LAWMAKERS IN WASHINGTON AND ALL
OVER THE COUNTRY ARE SAYING THIS
IS GETTING TOO MUCH, WE HAVE TO
DO THIS.
DO THIS. I REMEMBER COVERING NEWTOWN,
CONNECTICUT, AND GOING TO SOME
20 SOMETHING FUNERALS AND
THINKING THIS HAS TO CHANGE
EVERYTHING, THE WORLD IS GOING
TO SHIFT, AND WHAT WE SAW IS THE
WORLD DIDN’T SHIFT, AND NOW I
THINK PEOPLE ARE STARTING TO
SEE, WE REALLY NEED TO DO
SOMETHING BECAUSE REPUBLICANS
ARE THE ONES FRANKLY THAT ARE
BEING BLAMED FOR MOST OF THIS
BECAUSE VICTIMS ARE LOOKING AT
THIS AND SAYING YOU HAVE TO DO
SOMETHING.
SOMETHING. I WAS IN DAYTON WHEN THE CROWD
WAS SHOUTING DO SOMETHING AT THE
MAYOR, AND THAT WAS A POWERFUL
MOMENT.
MOMENT. IT WAS A MOMENT WHERE PEOPLE
FELT FED UP.
>> WELL, AND YOU HAVE TWO THINGS
HAPPENING AT ONCE, YOU HAVE THE
TOXIC COMBINATION OF RUNAWAY
GUN, JUST MASSIVE FIRE POWER
BEING PUT INTO THE HANDS OF
CIVILIANS WHERE THESE LARGE
CAPACITY MAGAZINES AND YOU HAVE
THESE MILITARY STYLE WEAPONS
THAT I’M SURE THE CONGRESSMAN
HEARD ABOUT HIS FAMILY MEMBERS
RUNNING AWAY AND THAT SHOOTER, I
BELIEVE, HAD A HUNDRED BULLETS
IN HIS MAGAZINE.
NOW, EVERYBODY IN THE STATE OF
OHIO KNOWS THAT YOU ONLY NEED
THOSE IF YOU’RE GOING OUT TO
HUNT HUMANS.
HUNT HUMANS. IF YOU’RE ONLY -- THAT’S WHY
PEOPLE LIKE STAN McCHRYSTAL, SO
MANY MILITARY LEADERS SAY THAT
THOSE MILITARY STYLE WEAPONS
THAT WERE DESIGNED FOR COMBAT IN
WAR, THOSE MILITARY STYLE
WEAPONS SHOULD NOT BE IN
CIVILIANS’ HANDS, SO YOU COMBINE
THAT WITH A RACIST,
INFLAMMATORY, WHITE SUPREMACY
THAT YOU’RE SEEING FLARING UP IN
CHANTS AT TRUMP RALLIES AND
PEOPLE SAYING SHOOT HISPANICS.
THIS DOES -- THIS IS A DOUBLE
PUNCH FOR REPUBLICANS AND PEOPLE
ARE LOOKING SQUARELY AT THEM
NOW.
NOW. >> YEAH, TWO FORCES SEEM TO HAVE
COME TOGETHER IN THE COUNTRY
SINCE THE ASSAULT WEAPONS BAN
EXPIRED IN 2004.
WE HAVE SEEN MORE AND MORE OF
THESE MILITARY STYLE WEAPONS ON
THE STREETS OF THE UNITED STATES
AND AN ASSUMPTION THAT IT’S OKAY
TO HAVE THEM.
WITH THESE HUGE MAGAZINES LIKE
YOU SAY THAT CAN KILL PEOPLE.
WE SAW IT IN DAYTON, NINE PEOPLE
KILLED IN THE SPACE OF 30
SECONDS.
SECONDS. IMAGINE HOW MANY MORE MAY HAVE
BEEN KILLED IF THAT SHOOTER
HADN’T BEEN TAKEN DOWN THAT
QUICKLY.
QUICKLY. AT THE SAME TIME, YOU’VE GOT A
CULTURE OF WHITE SUPREMACY,
WHICH THE FBI HAS BEEN
MONITORING AND FBI AGENTS ARE
SAYING WE NEED MORE RESOURCES TO
COMBAT.
COMBAT. THIS IS THE THREAT THAT WE ARE
OPPOSING, SO COMBINE THAT WHITE
SUPREMACY WITH THE ACCESS TO THE
ASSAULT WEAPONS AND IT IS
PRODUCING THIS MOMENT WHERE
PEOPLE ARE LOOKING AND THERE IS
A DIFFERENT CONVERSATION
HAPPENING AFTER THESE TWO
SHOOTINGS IN WHICH YOU DO HAVE
SOME REPUBLICANS COMING ON BOARD
SAYING, OKAY, MAYBE WE HAVE TO
DO SOMETHING BECAUSE WE’RE
SEEING THIS BACKLASH AGAINST US
AS A PARTY.
>> JOE, WE OFTEN AND RIGHTLY
TALK ABOUT POLITICIANS IN THE
GRIP OF THE NRA, WE OUGHT TO
GIVE CREDIT TO SOMEONE LIKE
MICHAEL TURNER, A 93% NRA
RATING, AN A RATING, AND IS
CROSSING THE NRA BY PROPOSING AN
ASSAULT WEAPONS BAN AND WILL
LOSE THEIR SUPPORT LIKELY
BECAUSE OF IT.
IT GETS TO THE QUESTION SO MANY
TIMES, THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE
MEMBERS OF THE NRA WANT EXPANDED
BACKGROUND CHECKS.
BACKGROUND CHECKS. THESE ARE NRA MEMBERS, YET THE
LOBBYISTS IN WASHINGTON GO OUT
AND SPEND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS
LOBBYING AGAINST BILLS THAT
WOULD EXPAND BACKGROUND CHECKS.
THEY HAVE ANNOUNCED PUBLICLY
THEY ARE AGAINST UNIVERSAL
BACKGROUND CHECKS.
BACKGROUND CHECKS. WHY IS THAT, WHY ARE 70% OF NRA
MEMBERS FOR THAT, AND YET THE
PEOPLE WHO REPRESENT THEM IN
WASHINGTON, EXCUSE ME, GO OUT
AND SPEND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS
FIGHTING AGAINST THE VERY
WISHING OF THEIR MEMBERSHIP.
>> YOU KNOW, I GREW UP IN
MISSISSIPPI, AND ALABAMA AND
GEORGIA AND FLORIDA.
I GREW UP AROUND NRA MEMBERS.
I GREW UP WITH PEOPLE THAT
STARTED GOING HUNTING WITH THEIR
FATHERS AND GRANDFATHERS WHEN
THEY WERE 5 OR 6 YEARS OLD.
MEMBERS OF THE NRA THROUGHOUT
THEIR LIFETIME, AND AFTER SANDY
HOOK, AFTER WE ALL MADE
IMPASSIONED PLEAS ON EXPANDED
BACKGROUND CHECKS, AND THE
BANNING OF MILITARY STYLE
WEAPONS, ALL OF THEM CAME UP TO
ME IN CHURCH SAYING I DON’T NEED
THAT TO GO DEER HUNTING.
I DON’T NEED THAT TO PROTECT MY
FAMILY.
FAMILY. I GOT ENOUGH FIRE POWER INSIDE
MY HOUSE WITH MY SHOTGUNS.
SOMEBODY WALKS THROUGH MY DOOR,
YOU KNOW, THEY’RE NOT GOING TO
GET MORE THAN A COUPLE OF STEPS
INSIDE.
INSIDE. AND SO ALL THE NRA MEMBERS I
TALKED TO AFTER SANDY HOOK WERE
ALL TELLING ME THE SAME THING.
WE ACTUALLY AGREE WITH YOU.
WE NEEDED EXPANDED BACKGROUND
CHECKS, TO STOP TERRORISTS FROM
GETTING THEIR HANDS ON WEAPONS,
TO STOP PEOPLE WHO ARE MENTALLY
ILL FROM GETTING THEIR HANDS ON
WEAPONS.
WEAPONS. YOU DIG A LITTLE BIT DEEPER AND
WHAT I FOUND WAS IT WASN’T THE
NRA, IT WASN’T EVEN LOCAL NRA
ORGANIZATIONS, I KEPT TALKING
ABOUT THREE LOBBYISTS IN
WASHINGTON, D.C.
WASHINGTON, D.C. THEY WERE DOING THE BIDDING OF
GUN CORPORATIONS.
GUN CORPORATIONS. THAT WERE DOING THE BIDDING OF
PEOPLE
PEOPLE PEOPLE
PEOPLE PEOPLE’S BOTTOM LINE ON WALL
STREET, HEDGE FUND COMPANIES
THAT HAD COME IN AND BOUGHT
THESE GUN COMPANIES, SO THEY
WEREN’T WORKING AND FIGHTING FOR
NRA MEMBERS.
NRA MEMBERS. THEY WERE ACTUALLY WORKING FOR
CORPORATE INTERESTS AND THAT’S
WHEN YOU SAW ALL OF THE
SELF-DEALING, WHAT WE HAVE SEEN
OVER THE PAST SIX MONTHS, IT
ENDED UP BEING JUST THREE
LOBBYISTS IN WASHINGTON, D.C.
THAT DIDN’T GIVE A DAMN ABOUT
NRA MEMBERS.
NRA MEMBERS. I DON’T KNOW IF YOU SAW THE
BREAKING NEWS LAST NIGHT BUT
THEY WERE THINKING ABOUT BUYING
WAYNE LaPIERRE A MANSION.
>> A $6 MILLION MANSION, JOE.
>> THEY WERE LOOKING AND TRYING
TO BUY WAYNE LaPIERRE A
$6 MILLION MANSION WITH THE DUES
OF HARD WORKING NRA MEMBERS.
AGAIN, THE MAJORITY OF WHICH
WANT THESE EXPANDED BACKGROUND
CHECKS.
CHECKS. A LOT OF THEM SAY, HEY, WE DON’T
NEED MILITARY STYLE WEAPONS.
SO IT’S NOT ABOUT THE NRA
MEMBERS.
MEMBERS. IT IS ABOUT THREE LOBBYISTS IN
WASHINGTON, D.C. I THINK THEY
FIRED ONE OF THEM.
MAY GET DOWN TO TWO LOBBYISTS IN
WASHINGTON, D.C. THAT ARE
RUNNING IT.
RUNNING IT. AND THAT ARE DOING IT.
IT’S ALL A SCAM.
IT’S ALL FOR THEM TO MAKE MONEY
OFF OF DUES PAYING MEMBERS, AND
THEY DON’T GIVE A DAMN WHAT
THEIR MEMBERS WANT.
THEY’RE THINKING ABOUT
$6 MILLION MANSIONS THAT THEY
CAN PAY FOR WITH DUES.
I MEAN, IT’S LINING THEKE THE PT
MY GRANDMA GAVE MONEY TO THE PTL
CLUB WITH JIM AND TAMMY FAYE
BAKER IN THE 1970s, THOUGH WE
TOLD HER NOT TO AND SHE KEPT
DOING IT.
DOING IT. THAT ENDED UP BEING A SCAM.
I HAVE BEEN WARNING NRA MEMBERS
FOR YEARS NOW, THAT THEY’RE
BEING SCAMMED AND THEY ARE STILL
BEING SCAMMED WITH $6 MILLION
MANSIONS AND WITH WHAT, HOW
MUCH, WILLIE, DID THESE
EXECUTIVES GET IN LIKE ITALIAN
SUITS AND LIKE A COUPLE HUNDRED
THOUSAND DOLLARS IN ITALIAN SUIT
SGLS
SGLS S.
S. >> AND PRIVATE SETS, ALL OF IT.
THE POINT OF THE QUESTION IS
WHAT IS THE POLITICAL PERIL OF
CROSSING THE NRA, IF MICHAEL
TURNER CAN GO OUT AND SPEAK TO
SOMETHING LIKE REDUCING THE SIZE
OF MAGAZINES AND GETTING RID OF
SEMIAUTOMATIC WEAPONS, WHAT IS
THE PERIL FOR HIM AND OTHERS.
>> THERE’S JUST NOT, AGAIN, YOU
CAN TAKE A CASE IN SOUTH
FLORIDA.
FLORIDA. THERE’S A MEMBER OF CONGRESS
THAT REPRESENTS THE PALM BEACH
AREA, AND ALSO MARTIN COUNTY,
AND BRIAN MASS, HE SUPPORTED
AFTER PARKLAND, A BAN ON ASSAULT
STYLE WEAPONS, ON MILITARY STYLE
WEAPONS.
WEAPONS. HE WON COMFORTABLY, AND ONE OF
THE BIGGEST DOWN YEARS FOR
REPUBLICANS IN AMERICAN HISTORY,
RIGHT.
RIGHT. SO THIS ISN’T GOING TO HAVE AN
IMPACT, YOU KNOW WHY, BECAUSE
THE OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF
PEOPLE IN ALL OF THESE DISTRICTS
SUPPORT EXPANDED BACKGROUND
CHECKS TO STOP TERRORISTS AND
DOMESTIC ABUSERS AND THE
MENTALLY ILL FROM GETTING GUNS.
THE MAJORITY OF AMERICANS
SUPPORT THE END OF SELLING THESE
LARGE CAPACITY MAGAZINES TO HAVE
OVER 100 BULLETS IN THEM.
YOU DON’T NEED THAT.
AND THESE MILITARY STYLE
WEAPONS, MOST HUNTERS, EVERY
HUNTER I KNOW SAYS THEY DON’T
NEED THAT SO MIKA, THE PERIL IS
VERY VERY SMALL, AND YOU ALSO,
BECAUSE THE NRA, THE THREE
LOBBYISTS IN WASHINGTON, D.C.
WERE MAKING EACH OTHER RICH WITH
DUES FROM HARD WORKING AMERICANS
ACROSS THIS COUNTRY.
THEY DIDN’T HAVE THE MONEY TO
PUT INTO POLITICAL CAMPAIGNS IN
2018.
2018. THEY WERE LARGELY OUTSPENT FOR
THE FIRST TIME IN YEARS.
SO AGAIN, MORE REASON FOR PEOPLE
TO VOTE THEIR CONSCIENCE AND NOT
BE SCARED OF THE NRA.
>> STILL AHEAD ON "MORNING JOE,"
WE’RE GOING TO RUN THROUGH THE
LATEST POLLS ON THE DEMOCRATS IN
THE RACE FOR PRESIDENT WHERE
ELIZABETH WARREN SEEMS TO BE ON
THE MOVE.
THE MOVE. HOW SHE STACKS UP AGAINST JOE
BIDEN.
BIDEN. >>> PLUS, PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS
LAUNCHED A SUSTAINED ATTACK ON
CONGRESSWOMAN ALEXANDRIA
CONGRESSWOMAN ALEXANDRIA OCASIO-CORTEZ, AND IT’S HAD AN
IMPALKT