NEXT ON >>> WELL, ACTUALLY, ISN’T TED’S
REAL NAME RAPHAEL?
I THINK SO, RIGHT?
BECAUSE THAT WAS ONE OF THE
QUESTIONS I DID HAVE TO ASK.
IT DOESN’T MATTER.
TED’S OPPONENT IN THIS RACE IS A
STONE COLD PHONY NAMED ROBERT
FRANCIS O’ROURKE, SOMETIMES
REFERRED TO AS BETO.
AND HE PRETENDS TO BE A
MODERATE, BUT HE’S ACTUALLY A
RADICAL, OPEN BORDERS
LEFT-WINGER.
LEFT-WINGER. >> I DON’T KNOW WHERE TO BEGIN
THERE.
THERE. TRUMP TALKING ABOUT PHONIES.
HE’S A LIFETIME DEMOCRAT WHO’S
GIVEN TONS OF MONEY TO CHUCK
SCHUMER AND NANCY PELOSI AND
HILLARY CLINTON, TO THE DNC.
WHAT A PHONY THAT GUY IS.
NOW HE’S PRETENDING HE’S A
CONSERVATIVE.
CONSERVATIVE. HE SUCKERED ALL THOSE PEOPLE
INTO BELIEVING HE’S A
CONSERVATIVE.
CONSERVATIVE. AND HE CALLS OTHER PEOPLE
PHONIES?
PHONIES? THAT IS SOME FUNNY STUFF.
LET’S BRING IN JACOB SOBOROFF
RIGHT NOW.
RIGHT NOW. I’VE GOT SOME VERY BAD NEWS FOR
YOU.
YOU. YOUR LOS ANGELES DODGERS ARE
GOING TO BE TAKING ON MIKE
BARNICLE’S BOSTON RED SOX.
IT COULD BE UGLY.
>> YOU GUYS HAVE MORE PULL
AROUND HERE THAN I DO.
I WAS WONDERING HOW TO CONVINCE
MY BOSSES THAT THE MOST
IMPORTANT DISTRICT IS THE
BLEACHERS AT FENWAY.
I THREW UP IN MY MOUTH A LITTLE
WITH THAT CHRIS TAYLOR CATCH AT
THAT LAST GAME.
I CAN’T WAIT.
>> YEAH.
>> YEAH. THAT WAS AN INCREDIBLE SERIES.
>> SO SET UP THE SERIES FOR US
REALLY QUICKLY BEFORE WE GET TO
NEWS.
NEWS. >> WELL, THE WEATHER COULD PLAY
A ROLE IN THE SERIES TONIGHT AT
FENWAY.
FENWAY. SUPPOSED TO BE DRIZZLE ALL
DURING THE GAME.
THAT MEANS THE BALL IS NOT GOING
TO FLY AS FAR AS IT USUALLY
DOES.
DOES. IT COULD AFFECT THE GRIP ON THE
BALL FOR CLAYTON KERSHAW.
I STILL THINK THE DONNELL ERDGER
VERY GOOD TEAM.
I THINK THE RED SOX WILL WIN THE
SERIES IN FIVE GAMES.
>> COME ON, MIKE BARNICLE.
>> WHAT?
>> WHAT? >> I THINK YOU’VE GOT IT
BACKWARDS?
BACKWARDS? >> WHY?
>> WHY? >> I’VE GOT THEM IN FIVE.
>> THE CLENCHER.
>> MIKA, WHAT HAVE WE GOT?
>> JACOB SOBOROFF, YOU’RE
FOLLOWING TRUMP’S LIES ABOUT THE
CARAVAN AND CONSTANTLY FOLLOWING
THE SEPARATIONS OF CHILDREN FROM
THEIR FAMILIES AT THE BORDER.
LET’S UPDATE PEOPLE.
THEY HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO CLEAN
UP THIS MESS.
THIS PRESIDENT AND HIS INHUMANE
POLICY OF SEPARATING CHILDREN
FROM THEIR FAMILIES, RIGHT NOW
66 CHILDREN ARE STILL IN
GOVERNMENT CUSTODY AND 50 OF
THEIR PARENTS HAVE ALREADY BEEN
DEPORTED.
DEPORTED. IS THERE A POSSIBILITY THAT SOME
OF THESE CHILDREN WILL NEVER BE
REUNITED WITH THEIR FAMILIES,
INCLUDING ONE CHILD UNDER 5.
>> NO DOUBT ABOUT IT, INCLUDING
THE HUNDREDS WHO WERE DEPORTED
BEFORE THEY HAD THE RIGHT TO GET
REUNITED WITH THEIR PARENTS
EARLIER THIS SUMMER.
OBVIOUSLY IT’S RACIST AND
COMPLETELY ABHORRENT, BUT IT HAS
EXTREME REAL WORLD CONSEQUENCES.
THOSE CONSEQUENCES ARE THE ONES
THAT I SAW THIS SUMMER WITH MY
OWN EYES WHEN THEY PUT CHILDREN
INTO CAGES ON THE BORDER.
IT WAS THEN STATED AS A
DETERRENCE POLICY.
DETERRENCE POLICY. NOW’S A POLICY OF SHUTTING DOWN
THE BORDER AND PUTTING ARMED
GUARDS ON THE SOUTHERN BORDER.
THE PRESIDENT IS TALKING ABOUT
CUTTING OFF HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS
OF DOLLARS IN COMMERCE TO
HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE
ALL ACROSS THE COUNTRY THAT GO
BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN PORTS OF
ENTRY EVERY SINGLE DAY.
HE’S TALKING ABOUT AMERICA
CHILDREN WHO LIVE IN CITIES AND
CROSS INTO THE UNITED STATES ON
A DAILY BASIS TO SCHOOL TO HIGH
SCHOOL IN PLACES LIKE EL PASO.
I GUARANTEE YOU THAT THE
POLICIES THAT THE PRESIDENT IS
TALKING ABOUT PUTTING INTO PLACE
WILL CAUSE MORE PEOPLE TO DIE
WHEN THEY CROSS THE BORDER.
>> ALSO JOINING OUR
CONVERSATION, WASHINGTON BUREAU
CHIEF FOR THE BOSTON HERALD
KIMBERLY ATKINS.
KIMBERLY ATKINS. GREAT TO SEE YOU.
WE’VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THE
PRESIDENT USING THIS RHETORIC
AND OVERSTATING WHAT THIS
CARAVAN IS AND THE THREAT TO
AMERICA.
AMERICA. BUT HE’S ALSO BLAMING THE
DEMOCRATS, WHO HAVE NOT BEEN IN
POWER NOW FOR TWO YEARS OR SO.
PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS CONTROLLED
THE WHITE HOUSE, REPUBLICANS
HAVE CONTROLLED CONGRESS.
HE HAD EVERYTHING HE WANTED IN
PLACE TO STOP WHAT HE BELIEVES
IS THIS INVASION FROM THE
SOUTHERN BORDER AND YET HE
CONTINUES TO BLAME DEMOCRATS.
>> WHATEVER YOU THINK ABOUT THE
PRESIDENT, HE IS VERY GOOD AT
MESSAGING TO HIS SUPPORTERS, TO
THE KEY CONSTITUENCIES HE’S
SEEKING TO APPEAL TO AHEAD OF AN
ELECTION.
ELECTION. THINGS LIKE FACTS ARE NOT TODAY
IN HIS WAY BEFORE AND THEY’RE
NOT STANDING IN HIS WAY NOW.
YES, HE IS BLAMING DEMOCRATS FOR
THIS.
THIS. HE IS REALLY DEMONIZING THESE
PEOPLE, WHO ARE MIGRANTING IN
PART
PART -- MIGRATING EN MASSE TO STAY
SAFE.
SAFE. THINGS WE’VE HEARD BEFORE THAT
THEY ARE CRIMINALS AND MIXING IN
MIDDLE EASTERNERS IN THERE.
HE’S NOT EVEN SAYING TERRORISTS.
HE’S USING MIDDLE EASTERN AS A
CODE WORD FOR TERRORISTS.
THAT’S NOT TRUE.
IF YOU TALK TO TRUMP SUPPORTERS,
THEY SAY THESE AREN’T PEOPLE WHO
ARE IN CRISIS.
THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE BEING
FUNDED BY GEORGE SOROS WAS THAT
IS WHAT DONALD TRUMP AND OTHER
CONSERVATIVES ARE SAYING.
AND THE MESSAGE IS LANDING.
THAT’S THE BIGGEST CONTRAST
BETWEEN DEMOCRATS, WHO HAVE
HAVING A MUCH HARDER TIME
MESSAGING AGAINST THIS IN A WAY
THAT IS RESONATING AND IS BEING
REPEATED BY THEIR SUPPORTERS THE
WAY THAT IT IS ON DONALD TRUMP’S
SIDE.
SIDE. >> BY THE WAY, WILLIE, WE HEARD
THE NAME GEORGE SOROS BROUGHT UP
BY THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED
STATES.
STATES. WE’VE HEARD THE NAME GEORGE
SOROS BROUGHT UP BY BACK
BENCHERS IN THE REPUBLICAN
CONGRESS, BLAMING HIM FOR
FUNDING THESE CARAVANS, BHAMLAMI
HIM FOR FUNDING ONE FAKE
CONSPIRACY AFTER ANOTHER.
LAST NIGHT, FROM WHAT I
UNDERSTAND, AN EXPLOSIVE DEVICE
WAS FOUND AT GEORGE SOROS’S
WESTCHESTER HOME.
WESTCHESTER HOME. IN PART, YOU’VE GOT TO POINT THE
FINGER BACK TO THE PRESIDENT AND
THESE REPUBLICAN MEMBERS OF
CONGRESS THAT HAVE JUST BEEN
SPREADING THESE CONSPIRACY
THEORIES THAT HAVE ANTI-SEMITIC
OVERTONES TO THEM TOWARDS GEORGE
SOROS.
SOROS. >> GEORGE SOROS IS THE BOOGEYMAN
BOOGEYMAN.
BOOGEYMAN. AN EXPLOSIVE DEVICE WAS FOUND IN
HIS MAILBOX YESTERDAY.
SOMEONE SENT AN EXPLOSIVE DEVICE
TO THE HOME.
IT WAS PLACED IN THE MAILBOX OF
GEORGE SOROS JUST OUTSIDE OF NEW
YORK CITY.
YORK CITY. >> WOW.
>> WOW. >> SO KIMBERLY, I GUESS THE
QUESTION IS, WILL THIS WORK?
THE PRESIDENT, ONE LIE AFTER
ANOTHER LIE AFTER ANOTHER LIE.
BUT I HAD A RELATIVE YESTERDAY
TALKING ABOUT THIS INVASION OF
MIGRANTS COMING.
MIGRANTS COMING. AND I HAD A COLLEGE EDUCATED
FRIEND E-MAIL ME YESTERDAY
ASKING HOW WERE WE GOING TO STOP
AMERICA’S BORDERS FROM BEING
INVADED.
INVADED. THEY’RE COMING, THEY’RE COMING.
THE LIE IS WORKING.
>> IT IS.
>> IT IS. IT LANDS.
IT LANDS. I HEAR IT FROM PEOPLE WHO TWEET
OR E-MAIL ME AFTER STORIES THAT
I WRITE ABOUT THIS, THAT THERE
IS AN INVASION IN THE COUNTRY.
THE PHRASES THAT WE HEAR THE
PRESIDENT SAY.
PRESIDENT SAY. IF WE DON’T HAVE A BORDER, WE
DON’T HAVE A COUNTRY.
WELL, WE DO HAVE A BORDER AND A
COUNTRY AND RULES, BUT THERE’S
ALSO REASONS WHY WE ARE SEEING
THESE MIGRATIONS TOWARD THE
BORDER.
BORDER. THE PRESIDENT NOW IS SEEING THIS
AS ELECTION GOLD.
REPUBLICAN STRATEGY GISTSSTRATEG
HAVE BEEN SAYING THE MORE THE
PRESIDENT TALKS ABOUT
IMMIGRATION, THE BETTER IT IS
FOR HIM.
FOR HIM. THE PRESIDENT LIKES TO GRAVITATE
TOWARD THESE CULTURALLY DIVISIVE
ISSUES.
ISSUES. I’M SURE HE WILL TWEET ABOUT NFL
PROTESTS AGAIN BEFORE THE
ELECTIONS COME IN TWO WEEKS.
WE HAVE SEEN HIM TALKING ABOUT
MIGRANTS IN A WAY THAT’S VERY
DIVISIVE.
DIVISIVE. WE SAW HIM LAST NIGHT SAY I’M A
NATIONALIST.
NATIONALIST. NOT JUST SAYING THAT HE’S
CALLING HIMSELF THAT, BUT URGING
HIS SUPPORTERS TO USE THAT WORD.
IT’S THAT SAME PUSHING AGAINST,
QUOTE, UNQUOTE, POLITICAL
CORRECTNESS AND SORT OF
EMBRACING A TERM THAT HAS BEEN
MADE TO STAND FOR NOT JUST
ISOLATIONISM, BUT REALLY APPEAL
APPEALING TO A CERTAIN
CONSTITUENCY AT THE EXCLUSION OF
ALL OTHERS.
ALL OTHERS. HE’S NOW EMBRACING THAT WORD.
THE CLOSER WE GET TO TE ELECTION
ELECTION, THE MORE OPEN HE IS
WITH RACIST RHETORIC BECAUSE HE
SEES THIS AS A CAMPAIGN
ADVANTAGE.
ADVANTAGE. >> MIKE, YOU LOOK AT WHAT HE’S
BEEN TALKING ABOUT, TALKING
ABOUT THIS INVASION COMING FROM
HONDURAS.
HONDURAS. OF COURSE, HE’S CALLED HISPANICS
BREEDERS THIS PAST YEAR, ACCUSED
MEXICANS OF BEING RAPISTS AT THE
BEGINNING OF HIS CAMPAIGN.
YOU CAN GO DOWN -- THERE’S A
LAUNDRY LIST.
LAUNDRY LIST. AGAIN, IT’S NOT JUST CULTURALLY
DIVISIVE ISSUES THAT HE’S
POINTING TO NOW.
THERE ARE RACIAL OVERTONES THAT
ARE SO OBVIOUS.
HE’S TALKING ABOUT MIDDLE
EASTERNERS IN THERE.
AGAIN, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS IN
2016.
2016. LET’S TALK ABOUT IT RIGHT NOW.
BORDER CROSSINGS HISTORICALLY
ARE AT A LOW POINT NOW AND THEY
WERE AT A LOW POINT AT THE END
OF BARACK OBAMA’S PRESIDENCY
WHERE THERE WAS ACTUALLY A
NEGATIVE NET FLOW INTO THE
UNITED STATES, MORE PEOPLE GOING
BACK TO MEXICO THAN COMING HERE
FROM MEXICO, SOMETHING OF COURSE
THAT, AGAIN, THE PRESIDENT --
THAT WOULD COMPLETELY UNDERMINE
THE BIG LIE.
>> YEAH.
>> YEAH. WELL, IT DOESN’T MATTER TO HIM,
JOE.
JOE. WORDS ARE WEAPONS COMING OUT OF
HIS MOUTH.
HIS MOUTH. WE GROW IMMUNE TO IT BECAUSE WE
LISTEN TO IT EACH DAY AND WE
TALK ABOUT IT EACH DAY.
BUT WORD ARE WEAPONS OUT THERE.
THE CARAVAN, MIDDLE EASTERNERS
IN THE CARAVAN, MS-13 IN THE
CARAVAN, GEORGE SOROS FUNDING
IT.
IT. WE SEE WHAT HAPPENS WITH A BOMB
BEING PLANTED IN GEORGE SOROS’S
MAILBOX.
MAILBOX. >> YOU HEAR HIM TALK ABOUT
MS-13.
MS-13. THE FACTS HE’S TALKING ABOUT ARE
COMPLETELY BASED IN FALLACY.
THE BORDER PATROL CHIEF TOLD ME
IN THE MIDDLE OF A SEPARATION
CRISIS THAT MS-13 MAKES UP LESS
THAN 1% OF THE PEOPLE THAT HE
SEES COME THROUGH.
AS I’VE TRAVELED ACROSS THE
COUNTRY FROM MAINE DOWN TO KEY
WEST IN FLORIDA, A SMALL GROUP
OF PEOPLE WILL BRING UP
IMMIGRATION AND PRESIDENT
TRUMP’S RHETORIC.
TRUMP’S RHETORIC. EVERYONE ELSE BRINGS UP DESIRE
TO HAVE JOBS AND A GOOD LIFE AND
OPTIMISM AND PROSPERITY.
PART OF THE CONVERSATION HAS TO
BE US ACKNOWLEDGING THAT THE
PRESIDENT IS FULL OF IT FRANKLY
WHEN HE TALKS ABOUT THIS STUFF,
BUT JUST PIVOTING TO TALK ABOUT
WHAT PEOPLE REALLY WANT AND NEED
IN THEIR DAY TO DAY LIVES.
I THINK THAT’S PART OF THE
DEMOCRATS’ PROBLEM.
DEMOCRATS’ PROBLEM. YOU SEE IT SUCCESSFULLY HERE AND
THERE, BUT SO OFTEN THEY GET
ENGAGED IN THESE BATTLES WITH
THE PRESIDENT OVER WHETHER OR
NOT HE’S TELLING THE TRUTH.
HE’S OBVIOUSLY NOT TELLING THE
TRUTH.
TRUTH. BUT MOVE ON TO THINGS THAT
REALLY MATTER ACROSS THE
COUNTRY.
COUNTRY. SO OFTEN IT’S NOT WHAT THE
PRESIDENT IS TALKING ABOUT.
>>> COMING UP ON "MORNING
JOE" --
JOE" -- >> I’M A LEADER.
I’VE ALWAYS BEEN A LEADER.
I’VE NEVER HAD ANY PROBLEM
LEADING PEOPLE.
LEADING PEOPLE. IF I SAY DO IT, THEY’RE GOING TO
DO IT.
DO IT. THAT’S WHAT LEADERSHIP IS ALL
ABOUT.
ABOUT. >> OUR NEXT GUEST MAY HAVE A
DIFFERENT DEFINITION.
DIFFERENT DEFINITION. RETIRED GENERAL STANLEY
McCRYSTAL LITERALLY WROTE A BOOK