INCLUDING THE BEAST WITH THE PRESIDENT.
PRESIDENT. WE’RE ALSO WAITING FOR THE
ACCOUNT OF THEIR JULY PHONE
CALL.
CALL. THAT COULD BE RELEASED ANY
MINUTE NOW.
MINUTE NOW. PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS ALREADY
ADMITTED HE SPOKE WITH ZELENSKY
ABOUT JOE BIDEN AND HIS SON
HUNTER.
HUNTER. HUNTER BIDEN AS YOU MAY KNOW
SERVED ON THE BOARD OF UKRAINE’S
LARGEST PRIVATE GAS COMPANY
WHOSE OWNER WAS INVESTIGATED FOR
POSSIBLE CORRUPTION.
POSSIBLE CORRUPTION. HUNTER BIDEN WAS NOT ACCUSED OF
ANY WRONGDOING IN THIS
INVESTIGATION.
INVESTIGATION. >>> JOINING ME NOW, THE FORMER
AMBASSADOR MICHAEL FALL.
ALSO TED PRICE.
IT’S GREAT TO SEE BOTH OF YOU.
AMBASSADOR, FOR ANYBODY WHO
MIGHT NOT BE CLEAR ON WHY IT’S A
BIG DEAL, IF AN OPPONENT WERE
ASKED TO INVESTIGATE A POLITICAL
OPPONENT, CAN YOU EXPLAIN THE
SIGNIFICANCE OF THAT?
>> IT’S THE PRESIDENT OF THE
UNITED STATES, A LEADER OF THE
FREE WORLD, VITAL TO THE
UKRAINE’S NATIONAL SECURITY
INTEREST.
INTEREST. ASKING THE PRESIDENT, THE NEWLY
ELECTED PRESIDENT, BY THE WAY,
BRAND-NEW PRESIDENT ZELENSKY, TO
DO A POLITICAL FAVOR NOT TO
ADVANCE AMERICA’S NATIONAL
INTEREST BUT TO ADVANCE THE
PRESIDENT’S PERSONAL POLITICAL
INTEREST.
INTEREST. THAT’S WRONG AND IT PUTS
PRESIDENT ZELENSKY IN AN
EXTREMELY PRECARIOUS POSITION.
REMEMBER THEY RELY ON US TO
DETER RUSSIA, WHICH OCCUPIES
PART OF THEIR COUNTRY RIGHT NOW,
IS HELPING TO FIGHT A WAR IN
EASTERN UKRAINE.
EASTERN UKRAINE. SO IT’S A VERY DIFFICULT
CONVERSATION FOR THE NEWLY
ELECTED PRESIDENT OF UKRAINE TO
SAY, HEY, NO, I DON’T WANT TO DO
THAT, I WANT TO TALK ABOUT
U.S./UKRAINIAN RELATIONS.
U.S./UKRAINIAN RELATIONS. THAT’S GOING TO BE DIFFICULT TO
DO ON THE PHONE AND DIFFICULT TO
DO TODAY WHEN THEY MEET.
HE’S GOING TO HAVE TO STAND NEXT
TO THE PRESIDENT AND SAY A LOT
OF LAUDATORY THINGS ABOUT THE
UKRAINIAN PRESIDENT BECAUSE THEY
NEED US.
NEED US. >> NOW, THE PRESIDENT’S PERSONAL
LAWYER HAS BEEN MAKING THE
ROUNDS ON TV, AND WE SEE
PARTICULARLY FROM SOME
REPORTING, I THINK, IN THE
"WASHINGTON POST" JUST HOW
INVOLVED HE WAS IN THE UKRAINE
SITUATION, VIRTUALLY EVERY STEP
OF THE WAY.
LAST NIGHT’S INTERVIEW ON FOX
WAS REALLY JAW DROPPING.
LET’S TAKE A LISTEN.
>> I SHOULD SUE YOU FOR LIBEL
BECAUSE YOU IRRESPONSIBLY SAID
--
-- >> PLEASE.
>> PLEASE. >> YOU USUALLY SAY INCREDIBLY
STUPID THINGS.
STUPID THINGS. >> YOU’RE A PUBLIC FIGURE.
>> BY THE WAY, DO YOU HAVE ANY
IDEA THAT THE PUBLIC --
>> SO YOU --
>> SHUT UP.
>> SHUT UP.
SHUT UP, YOU DON’T KNOW WHAT
YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT.
>> CHRIS, CHRIS, CHRIS.
>> YOU DON’T KNOW WHAT YOU’RE
TALKING ABOUT, IDIOT.
HE SAID ABOUT ME I WAS ASKED BY
THE STATE DEPARTMENT TO GO DIG
UP POLITICAL DIRT ON TRUMP’S
OPPONENT.
OPPONENT. TOTALLY FALSE.
TOTALLY FALSE. THE STATE DEPARTMENT ASKED ME.
>> YOU JUST SAID IT.
>> NO, I DIDN’T.
YOU DID, YOU LIAR.
YOU DID.
YOU DID. >> JUST LET HIM FINISH.
THEN ABOUT YOU CAN RESPOND.
>> TURN HIM OFF SO I CAN SPEAK.
I DO NOT WANT TO BE INTERRUPTED.
>> LET’S LET RUDY SPEAK.
>> FROM THAT SERIAL LIAR.
>> NED, CAN YOU EXPLAIN HOW
HIGHLY IRREGULAR IT IS THAT THE
STATE DEPARTMENT WOULD ASK A
PRIVATE CITIZEN, RUDY GIULIANI,
TO DO THIS KIND OF WORK?
DOES THIS MAKE ANY SENSE?
>> IT DOESN’T MAKE ANY SENSE IN
THIS CASE, CHRIS.
IT’S HIGHLY UNUSUAL THAT THE
STATE DEPARTMENT OR ANY OTHER
DIDN’T OR AGENCY WOULD TURN TO A
PRIVATE CITIZEN, ESPECIALLY RUDY
GIULIANI WHO, OF COURSE, IS NO
LONGER JUST THE FORMER MAYOR OF
NEW YORK CITY.
HE’S ALSO PRESIDENT TRUMP’S
PERSONAL ATTORNEY.
PERSONAL ATTORNEY. I THINK WHAT WE’RE SEEING HERE
IS AN ATTEMPT AT LEAST ON THE
PART OF SOME TO TURN RUDY
GIULIANI INTO A SCAPEGOAT.
AND WHILE I HAVE NO SYMPATHY FOR
MR. GIULIANI, I THINK THAT’S TOO
SIMPLISTIC.
SIMPLISTIC. WHAT MR. GIULIANI HAS SAID IN
THE PAST FEW DAYS PAINTS A VERY
OMINOUS PICTURE OF THE AMOUNT OF
SUPPORT FOR HIS EFFORTS THAT WAS
FOUND WITHIN THE EXECUTIVE BRAN.
HE TOLD FOX NEWS JUST THE OTHER
NIGHT HE HAS ALWAYS BEEN
FOLLOWING ORDERS FROM THE STATE
DEPARTMENT.
DEPARTMENT. THE FACT THAT THEY SENT HIM ON A
MISSION LAST NIGHT, I BELIEVE IT
WAS.
WAS. HE ALSO VERY HELPFULLY FOR THOSE
WHO ARE AWARE OF THE FREEDOM OF
INFORMATION ACT, HE HELD UP HIS
PHONE AND SAID’S ALL HERE.
WE KNOW HE’S BACKED OTHER U.S.
AMBASSADORS.
AMBASSADORS. WHAT’S MORE INTERESTING IS
SECRETARY OF STATE MIKE POMPEO
HASN’T DISTANCED HIMSELF FROM
THIS.
THIS. WHEN ASKED ABOUT IT, HE ALMOST
DEFENDED IT.
DEFENDED IT. I THINK THE QUESTION IS HOW HIGH
UP WITHIN THE TRUMP STATE
DEPARTMENT WAS GIULIANI’S
EFFORTS AND WAS THAT SOMETHING
PRESIDENT TRUMP HIMSELF ACTUALLY
LENDED HIS ENDORSEMENT TO?
>> I WANT TO READ PART OF WHAT
THE "WASHINGTON POST" REPORTED.
IT SAYS, QUOTE, SEVERAL
OFFICIALS DESCRIBED TENSE
MEETINGS ON UKRAINE LEADING UP
TO THE PRESIDENT’S PHONE CALL ON
JULY 25th.
JULY 25th. SESSIONS THAT LED SOME
PARTICIPANTS TO FEAR THAT TRUMP
AND THOSE CLOSE TO HIM APPEARED
PREPARED TO USE U.S. LEVERAGE
WITH THE NEW LEADER OF UKRAINE
FOR TRUMP’S POLITICAL GAIN.
AND NOW WE’RE GOING TO SEE
ACTUALLY AT LEAST THE REPORT ON
WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED IN THAT
CALL.
CALL. WE HAVE PIANO WHO LISTENED IN ON
THE CALL WHO WILL TALK TO
VARIOUS COMMITTEES IN CONGRESS.
WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THAT?
>> WELL, I THINK, NUMBER ONE, IT
UNDERSCORES HOW BROKEN THE
INTERAGENCY IS, THE PROCESS THAT
THE NATIONAL SECURITY COUNCIL
USUALLY RUNS.
USUALLY RUNS. REMEMBER, I ALSO WORKED AT NSC
FOR THE FIRST THREE YEARS IN THE
OBAMA ADMINISTRATION, AND ANY
TIME YOU HAD A CALL WITH A
FOREIGN LEADER, YOU READ THIS.
MANY FOREIGN POLICY OFFICIALS,
YOU KNOW, PROFESSIONALSDY AGREED
WITH WHAT WAS HAPPENING.
THEY PROBABLY KNEW -- THEY MOST
CERTAINLY KNEW ABOUT WHAT MR.
GIULIANI WAS DOING, AND I JUST
WANT TO UNDERSCORE WHAT NED