BUT AT LEAST HE WOULD HAVE THAT INTERPERSONAL SKILL TO BE ABLE
TO WOO PEOPLE TO GET THEM TO DO WHAT HE WANTS THEM TO DO.
THAT HAS SHOWN TO BE INACCURATE. >> ONE OF THE BIG QUESTIONS IS
WHO IS GOING TO REPORT TO GENERAL KELLY, REPORTS THIS
WEEKEND INDICATE THAT KELLY WILL LIKELY FILL THE DEPUTY CHIEF OF
STAFF POSITION. KERSTIN NIELSEN SERVED AS
SPECIAL ASSISTANT TO THE HOMELAND SECURITY IN THE BUSH
WHITE HOUSE. IT REMAINS UNCLEAR WHO ELSE WILL
REPORT DIRECTLY TO THE CHIEF OF STAFF.
JONATHAN SWAN TWEETED SOURCE FAMILIAR TELLS ME JARED KUSHNER
AND IVANKA TRUMP WILL FOLLOW GENERAL KELLY'S LEAD IN TERMS OF
PROTOCOL AND ACCESS TO OVAL AND INFORMATION FLOW.
BUT AS FOR THOSE LIKE ANTHONY SCARAMUCCI WHO DEMANDED DIRECT
ACCESS TO THE PRESIDENT, THE ANSWER REMAINS LESS CERTAIN.
>> WILL ALL OF THE WHITE HOUSE STAFF REPORT TO THE NEW CHIEF OF
STAFF? >> SO I WILL DO WHATEVER THE
PRESIDENT AND OUR NEW CHIEF OF STAFF ASKS ME TO DO.
>> HAS SCARAMUCCI, HAVE YOU, HAVE YOU NOW BEEN TOLD YOU
REPORT TO JOHN KELLY? >> I WILL SPEAK WITH GENERAL
KELLY AND THE PRESIDENT ABOUT THAT.
AS I'M SURE ANTHONY SCARAMUCCI WILL.
>> SO, JOSH, I DON'T WANT TO SOUND CONDESCENDING TO ANYBODY.
I'LL JUST PUT IT THIS WAY. >> OKAY.
>> IF YOU WERE INTERESTED IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE PRESIDENT
OF THE UNITED STATES, AND YOU WERE INTERESTED IN MAKING A
PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES LOOK STRONG INSTEAD OF PUFFING
YOURSELF UP FOR YOUR TV HITS WHETHER YOU'RE KELLYANNE CONWAY
OR ANTHONY SCARAMUCCI, IF YOU WANT WHAT IS BEST FOR DONALD
TRUMP, YOU WILL SAY, YES, I WILL REPORT DIRECTLY TO THE CHIEF OF
STAFF, BECAUSE THIS IS SOMETHING THAT DONALD TRUMP MAY NOT HAVE
UNDERSTOOD BEFORE, BUT HE NEEDS TO GET NOW.
THAT, ACTUALLY, WHEN YOU EMPOWER YOUR CHIEF OF STAFF, AND YOU
MAKE EVERYBODY GO THROUGH THAT DOOR TO GET TO YOU, THAT
ACTUALLY MAKES YOU LOOK MORE POWERFUL.
THIS IS NOT ABOUT ANTHONY SCARAMUCCI.
THIS IS NOT ABOUT KELLYANNE CONWAY.
THIS IS NOT ABOUT JARED, IVANKA. THIS IS ABOUT A PRESIDENCY
THAT'S DAMAGED AND THE FASTEST WAY TO FIX WHAT ILLS THIS WHITE
HOUSE IS A HARD NOSED CHAIN OF COMMAND.
>> THAT'S RIGHT. AND WHAT ELSE IT ILLUSTRATES,
HUMILITY IS MISSING FROM THIS WHITE HOUSE.
AND IT STARTS AT THE TOP. IF YOU'RE GOING TO WORK AT THE
WHITE HOUSE, PARTICULARLY WITH A HIGH PROFILE JOB LIKE KELLYANN
CONWAY, IT'S EASY TO THINK C CHRIS WALLACE MUST THINK I'M
REALLY SMART, ATTRACTIVE AND INFLUENTIAL.
THE TRUTH IS HE WANTS YOU ON HIS SHOW BECAUSE YOU HAVE ACCESS TO
THE PRESIDENT AND A RESPONSIBILITY TO ADVANCE THE
PRESIDENT'S AGENDA AND WHAT PEOPLE WANT INCITE INTO IS HOW
THE WHITE HOUSE WORKS AND WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO PUSH THE
PRESIDENT'S AGENDA. BUT LOOK, IT STARTS AT THE TOP.
AND WE HAVEN'T SEEN THAT KIND OF HUMILITY ON THE PART OF
PRESIDENT TRUMP EITHER. SOMEBODY WHO UNDERSTANDS THE
BURDEN THAT HE BEARS AND THE RESPONSIBILITY TO REPRESENT ALL
AMERICANS. THIS HUMILITY INFLUENCES
EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENS IN THE WHITE HOUSE THAT'S --
>> IF YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE HUMBLE, AND THERE HAVE BEEN A
LOT OF OCCUPANTS IN THE WHITE HOUSE THAT HAVEN'T HAD HUMILITY,
YOU'D BETTER HAVE THE DISCIPLINE TO HAVE SOMEBODY THAT CAN COME
IN AND SAY NO. NO, YOU CAN'T DO THAT.
>> BEFORE IT HAPPENS. >> THIS IS NOT ABOUT ME AS BEING
GENERAL KELLY, YOUR CHIEF OF STAFF.
THIS IS ABOUT YOU, MR. PRESIDENT.
THIS IS ABOUT THE INSTITUTION. YOU NEED TO TELL EVERYBODY THEY
COME THROUGH ME TO GET TO YOU. >> BUT THIS ALSO WOULD REQUIRE
THAT THE PRESIDENT UNDERSTAND THAT THE OFFICE IS LARGER THAN
HE IS. THAT THE DEMANDS OF THE JOB ARE
DIFFERENT THAN ANYTHING HE'S EVER FACED.
>> ANY CHANCE HE'S LEARNING THAT AFTER SIX MONTHS?
>> BOB WAS TALKING ABOUT THE PARALLELS BETWEEN THIS PRESIDENT
AND '73. I'M STRUCK BY THE DIFFERENCES.
NIXON WAS THERE AS VICE PRESIDENT.
NIXON WASN'T A RADICAL. HE DID WHAT HE DID, BUT ALSO HE
WAS A MAN OF THE SYSTEM, AND DONALD TRUMP IS SOMETHING
DIFFERENT. >> WHEN THE SUPREME COURT OF THE
UNITED STATES SAID TURN OVER THE TAPES, THERE REALLY WANT A
QUESTION IN RICHARD NIXON'S MIND, HE HAD TO TURN OVER THE
TAPES, EVEN THOUGH HE KNEW IT WOULD DESTROY THEM.
>> HE WAS A MAN OF THE SYSTEM. HE BROKE THE LAW, BUT TO
QUESTION NOW WHETHER WE HAVE SOMEONE WHO IS OF THE SYSTEM IN
THE SAME WAY, IT'S NOT OBVIOUS TO ME.
>> BOB, EVERY MISTAKE, SETBACK AND FAILURE SO FAR FOR THIS
PRESIDENT, I'M PRETTY SURE EVERY SINGLE ONE AND THERE ARE MANY,
CAN BE ATTACHED TO EITHER A TWEET OR AN AD LIB.
>> I THINK THAT'S FAIR. AT THE SAME TIME, WHAT I WAS
TRYING TO SKETCH OUT IS THE CONDITIONS -- HOW IS THE TABLE
SET? AND BACK IN '73, NIXON'S LAWYERS
CALLED THIS ALL THE SHARKS IN THE WATER OR THE TIME BOMBS.
AND TRUMP IS IN EXACTLY THAT SAME SITUATION.
THERE ARE SHARKS IN THE WATER OUT THERE.
THE BIGGEST ARE THESE INVESTIGATIONS, PARTICULARLY
MUELLER'S SPECIAL COUNSEL INVESTIGATION WHICH CAN
LITERALLY GO ANYWHERE. BUT IN FAIRNESS HERE, THE
QUESTION IS IN NIXON THEY UNCOVERED MASSIVE CRIMINALITY.
I MEAN, IN A WAY THAT WAS UNIMAGINABLE.
WE DON'T YET HAVE THE KIND OF EVIDENCE THAT MIGHT LEAD TO SOME
ACTION BY MUELLER THAT WOULD LEAD TO THE REMOVAL OF TRUMP,
BUT AS GENERAL KELLY GOES IN THERE, WHAT'S THE RELATIONSHIP
WITH CONGRESS? MY GOD, IT'S AWFUL.
WITH THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT, ALSO AWFUL.
WITH THE MEDIA, THE MEDIA IS SPRING LOADED AGAINST TRUMP FOR
VERY GOOD REASONS, BECAUSE OF THE THINGS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
SO IT IS A TOUGH WORLD THAT THEY ARE INHERITING, THE GENERAL
KELLY IS INHERITING, A TOUGH WORLD THAT TRUMP IS LIVING IN.
BOTTOM LINE, I THINK WE'RE IN FOR MONTHS, IF NOT A YEAR OR
MORE OF WHERE IS THIS GOING? IS THERE ANY STABILITY IN THE
GOVERNMENT? >> BOB MAKES SHADES TOWARD WATER
GATE, BUT YOU'RE RIGHT, THERE'S NOTHING THAT BRINGS US TO THAT
EXTENT YET, JOE. WE LOOK AT TWEETS OR AD LIBS
BEING OWNED BY THE PRESIDENT. HOW AS BOB TALKS ABOUT KELLY
GOING IN THERE, IT WASN'T REINCE WHO SAID THE THINGS THE
PRESIDENT SAID. IT WASN'T ATTORNEY GENERAL JEFF
SESSIONS WHO HAS BEEN HUMILIATED BY THE PRESIDENT AND SAID THE
THINGS THE PRESIDENT SAID. THEY'RE EITHER TWEETED OR AD
LIBBED BY THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.
HOW DOES KELLY GET AROUND THAT? >> I THINK I HATE TO KEEP GOING
BACK TO ONE OF MY THEMES OVER THE PAST SIX MONTHS, BUT IT'S
IMPORTANT THAT STEVE BANNON IS SIDELINED.
HE PLAYS TO DONALD TRUMP'S WORST INSTINCTS.
>> BUT THEY STILL COME OUT OF THE PRESIDENT'S MOUTH.
>> I KNOW THAT. >> CALL THE PRESS THE ENEMY OF
THE PEOPLE. ATTACK THE INTEL AGENCIES.CIES.
TALK ABOUT A DEEP STATE. DO EVERYTHING YOU CAN DO TO TURN
ALL THE OFFICIAL WASHINGTON AGAINST YOU.
THIS IS A GUY THAT SAID HE WAS A LENNONIST.
HE WANTED TO TEAR GOVERNMENT DOWN.
HE WANTED TO TEAR EVERYTHING DOWN, AND WHAT HE HAS DONE --
WASHINGTON ALWAYS WINS. WASHINGTON WILL BE AROUND WHEN
DONALD TRUMP IS GONE. AND THE SAME SYSTEMS WILL BE IN
PLACE. AND SO WHAT DOES GENERAL KELLY
DO TO SIDELINE PEOPLE LIKE STEVE BANNON WHO ARE SAYING TEAR
EVERYTHING DOWN AND GO TO WAR WITH MEMBERS OF YOUR OWN
CONGRESS? >> WELL, LOOK, A COUPLE OF
THINGS. WHEN YOU LOOK AT ANY
ORGANIZATION, THE WHITE HOUSE, OF VALUES, ARE SET FROM THE TOP,
NOT FROM THE TOP GUY'S CHIEF OF STAFF.
AND VALUES COME FROM HISTORY. FROM THE MEMORY OF THE
ORGANIZATION. SO GENERAL KELLY SPENT HIS LIFE
IN AN ORGANIZATION WHOSE CORE VALUES ARE HONOR, COURAGE, AND
COMMITMENT. SO WE KNOW THAT GENERAL KELLY
CAN COMMAND U.S. MARINES. CAN HE COMMAND THIS WHITE HOUSE
F-TROOP? THAT'S AN OPEN QUESTION.
THE LAST PART IS THIS, AND I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER.
YOU LOOK AT SCARAMUCCI. YOU LOOK AT THE COMPORTMENT OF
THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.
NO PUBLIC COMPANY CEO. THAT BEHAVIOR WOULD NOT BE
TOLERATED BY THE BOARD, AND IT WOULDN'T BE TOLERATED IN THE
OFFICE OF THE UNITED STATES MARINE CORPS.
>> ONE OF THE BEST COMPANIES IN AMERICA AS FAR AS GROWTH GOES
WAS PUSHED OUT FOR DOING 1/1000 OF WHAT DONALD TRUMP HAS DONE IN
THE FIRST SIX MONTHS. MIKE SCHMIDT, WHAT IF, THOUGH,
YOU HAVE THE GENERAL COMING IN AT A TIME WHERE, AS BOB WOODWARD
SAYS, HE DOESN'T KNOW EVERYTHING IN DONALD TRUMP'S BACKGROUND AND
DONALD TRUMP KNOWS THINGS HE CAN NEVER TELL ANYBODY?
RICHARD NIXON, IT ENDS UP HE OWES THE IRS $500,000.
THE VICE PRESIDENT WENT TO JAIL FOR TAX EVASION.
THERE IS A LOT GOING BACK 30 YEARS ON DONALD TRUMP THAT
GENERAL KELLY WILL NEVER KNOW. >> THERE'S AN EXPECTATION.
THE PRESIDENT IS A 71-YEAR-OLD GROWN MAN.
THE IDEA THAT SOMEONE WHO JUST COMES IN NOW IS GOING TO CHANGE
HIM, I THINK IS UNREALISTIC. MAYBE IN THE BEST CASE SCENARIO
AS SORT OF THIS NONPOLITICAL OUTSIDER HE CAN GET ALL THE
DIFFERENT FACTIONS TO MAYBE COME TO THE PRESIDENT IN A WAY UNLIKE
PRIEBUS, HE DOESN'T HAVE ANY SKIN IN THE GAME POLITICALLY.
HE'S NOT A REPUBLICAN INSIDER. MAYBE HE CAN GET THE PROCESS TO
WORK BETTER, BUT THE EXPECTATION THIS IS GOING TO BE A BETTER
WHITE HOUSE, I DON'T KNOW WHY -- LIKE HE WAS GOING TO CHANGE WHEN
HE WON THE NOMINATION AND BECAME PRESIDENT.
>> HE'S GOT TO CHANGE THE PRESIDENT'S BEHAVIOR.
>> HE CAN'T. >> I DON'T SEE WHY.
HE'S NEVER CHANGED IN THE PAST TWO YEARS.
>> HE CAN'T, BUT HE CAN CHANGE HOW THE WHITE HOUSE IS RUN WITH
A LITTLE BIT OF BUY-IN FROM THE PRESIDENT.
IF YOU JUST HAVE CHAOS COMING FROM THE GUY AT THE TOP WHICH IS
BAD, BUT INSTEAD OF EVERYBODY SHOOTING AT EACH OTHER AROUND
HIM -- >> THE OTHER THING TO REMEMBER