are important
dave sparked an incredibly vital conversation
about uh...
massive overreach
uh... in in surveillance
and then you know he went to china
uh...
he went on com which actually it's finders demonstrations in hong kong
starting up uh... because of the sort of repression
uh... that they're experiencing
as they move back under the umbrella of china
uh... and then he released other things like u_s_ spies on china and russia
which
shocking what has been out thats
i don't have a problem with that and that's not a surprise and then the
hacking stuff which again i think is different and i think what happened was
frankly is that
he found himself in his arm believed we precarious and dangerous position and he
has to play
are somewhat to his host countries and that's a perfectly understandable up
decision to make from the position he's in
uh... and now i think that fortunately you know op whoever advice and go to
russia was giving him really bad advice because he he just apply for asylum in
russia
well we'll see how that plays out but i do ameen there's no question that if you
goal
from a p_r_ communications perspective he ends up in russia
the russian government obviously is no interest in using whatever information
he has or might provide as a way to advance human rights and open society
uh... and
that's going to be game over
in most communication in the united states
cuz you can't come to a place that's deeply flawed like america
leak this stuff and then go to a place where you know
punk singers are thrown in prison and journalists are killed and gay people
arrested and beaten on the street
that's gonna be very hard
where does people wouldn't people expect him to go
one that's apparently israel there or not perfect country there's an like the
ones that are there that closest to being yell the dot gradually writes i
mean they're all
ureter direction extradite him in a second to united states and all that
well relapsed whatever uh... well but the reality is
the heart of reality is
is that if you stay in russia
your message of being a transparency human rights advocate
from a communications point
i still think that's the reality fink it's possible take to get across i mean
understand that the hurdle but i think it's possible to
to get across as you know
do you care about this stuff because it's your country
uh... upside i'd that's not compelling i mean the thing to me is that now the now
the other question for me that i that the other thing is is just this is a
game of now survival for him and part of the reasons that is because he's been
charged with espionage which
proves his point
uh... almost as much as his weeks if not more so
charging him but that is ludicrous when you look at
the treatment bradley manning received
he obscene conditions he was held
and the fact that this kid essentially young man is like are you to survive
and even if that includes being exploited by the russian government and
killing the the p_r_ message because he's in russia
in another itself is a very compelling statement about
how out of control this apparatus as becoming united states
so
and it's not a personal judgment on him my heart is still a great yes under as
well i was talking from me and it's not a personal it's not it's but again it's
just a cold analysis of
how that's gonna play out
because you know if some
defecting to russia is not
achey can't bear that out