AND JUDGE ANDREW NAPOLITANO
WEIGHS IN AS WELL.
WE KICK IT OFF WITH THIS, BIG
TECH IS TESTIFYING.
TWITTER'S CEO JACK DORSEY AND
HEADED TO CAPITOL HILL THIS
MORNING TO FACE A GRILLING FROM
PRESIDENT TRUMP WEIGHED IN ON
I SPOKE ABOUT THE ISSUE ON
FACEBOOK AND TWITTER, I THINK
THEY TREAT CONSERVATIVES AND
REPUBLICANS VERY UNFAIRLY.
I THINK IT'S A VERY SERIOUS
PROBLEM BECAUSE THEY'RE REALLY
TRYING TO SILENCE A VERY LARGE
PART OF THIS COUNTRY.
>> IF THERE'S A CONSERVATIVE
BEING SHUT DOWN, THAT VOICE IS
NOT BEING HEARD.
IF THIS IS WHERE TWO-THIRDS OF
AMERICANS ARE GETTING THEIR
NEWS, IT'S NOT A FAIR PROCESS
AND THIS COUNTRY BELIEVES IN
FAIRNESS.
THE INTERNET WAS CREATED ON
FAIRNESS.
MARIA: JOINING US TO TALK ABOUT
THAT IS PETE PASHAL.
GOOD TO SEE YOU.
THANKS FOR JOINING US.
YOUR EXPECTATIONS TODAY?
>> IT'S SOCIAL MEDIA ON TRIAL
PART TWO AS I LIKE TO THINK OF
IT.
LIKE ANY SEQUEL, IT'S PROBABLY
NOT GOING TO BE AS SATISFYING
AND THE STORY LINE MIGHT BE MORE
CONFUSED.
LAST TIME THIS HAPPENED, MARK
ZUCKERBERG WAS TESTIFYING AND WE
WERE RIGHT IN THE WAKE OF THE
CAMBRIDGE ANALYTICA SCANDAL.
THERE WAS A BIG FOCUS ON DATA
PRIVACY AND FUNDAMENTALS OF HOW
FACEBOOK WORKS.
NOW WE HAVE SHERYL SANDBERG AND
JACK DORSEY.
NOW IT'S MORE GENERAL STUFF
ABOUT THE ELECTION AND WHAT SORT
OF MEDDLING MAY HAPPEN AND SORT
OF THE STEPS THEY'RE TAKING
ABOUT THAT AS WELL AS WHAT WE'VE
BEEN TALKING ABOUT, THIS SORT OF
SILENCING OF CONSERVATIVE VOICES
OR PERCEIVED SILENCING ACCORDING
TO THEM THAT SORT OF MAY BE
GOING ON AND THEY'RE GOING TO
HAVE TO ANSWER FOR WHAT HAS BEEN
CALLED SHADOW BANNING IN
DO CARE ABOUT LIKE THE QUALITY
OF THE CONVERSATION ON THEIR
NETWORKS AND IF THEY REALLY ARE
MARIA: WHAT ARE THE DOWNSIDE
RISKS TODAY?
WHAT COULD WE SEE?
COULD HAPPEN TO TECHNOLOGY
COMPANIES IN LIGHT OF ALL OF
THIS?
>> WELL, I MEAN, THERE'S GOING
TO BE GAPS, CERTAINLY, THERE'S
GOING TO BE MISSTEPS.
THERE
FACILITATE HEALTHY CONVERSATION
WHICH IS WHAT TERM JACK DORSEY
LIKES TO USE, BUT ALSO ENSURING
THAT THE SORT OF WIDE SCALE
INAUTHENTIC BEHAVIOR LIKE WE SAW
THE OTHER WEEK WITH IRANIAN AND
RUSSIAN NETWORKS ON FACEBOOK,
THEY WERE OUSTED, TRYING TO SORT
OF SET THE STAGE FOR THE MIDTERM
ELECTIONS OR DO INFLUENCE, SORT
OF MAKING SURE THAT THERE'S OPEN
STUFF FOR AUTHENTIC BEHAVIOR AND
THEY'RE SHUTTING DOWN
INAUTHENTIC BEHAVIOR.
IF THEY CAN'T SHOW THAT OR THEY
CAN'T BE CONVINCING ABOUT THAT,
THERE COULD BE ISSUES EITHER
FINANCIALLY OR WITH REGULATION
DOWN THE LINE.
DAGEN: THE POINT I WAS TRYING
TO MAKE EARLIER, THAT I WAS
MAKING BADLY, INELOQUENTLY,
TWITTER HAS A BIGGER PROBLEM I
THINK AND EVEN FACEBOOK AND
OTHER SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORMS,
MAYBE INSTAGRAM TO A LESSER
THEY'RE GOING TO TURN AWAY FROM
IT.
PROBLEM.
IT IS NOTHING BUT PEOPLE HURLING
HATE ACROSS THE POLITICAL AISLE.
THAT GOES FOR BOTH SIDES.
PEOPLE ARE SICK OF IT.
BECAUSE IT GOES BEYOND JUST
WORDS.
>> I AGREE WITH YOU TO A LARGE
EXTENT.
TWITTER.
BECAUSE BASICALLY THESE OUTRAGE
MOBS WE'RE SEEING ARE AN
OUTGROWTH OF SOME OF THE
FUNDAMENTAL WAYS TWITTER WORKS.
MARIA: THE KNOCKED CANDACE
OWENS OFF THE PLATFORM.
AMPLIFYING EXTREME POINTS OF
VIEW.
WHETHER IT'S ON THE LEFT OR THE
RIGHT.
MARIA: SOME OF THEM ARE NOT SO
EXTREME.
THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
SOME OF THE POINTS OF VIEW ARE
NOT EXTREME.
WASN'T THERE A COUPLE OF
INSTANCES WHERE THEY TOOK THINGS
OFF FOR ABSOLUTELY NO REASON AND
THEN THEY SAID SORRY, THAT WAS A
THE ALGORITHMS, INITIALLY
THEY'RE SET UP BY HUMANS.
SO JACK DORSEY'S TALKED ABOUT
IS THERE A WAY TO GET TWITTER TO
YOUR OPINION?
>> IT'S HARD TO SAY TO WHAT
EXTENT THE BIAS EXISTS.
>> THE P COMPANY IS.
CAN THOSE ALGORITHMS BE
PROGRAMMED TO BE FAIR
REGARDLESS?
I THINK THEY CAN TO SOME EXTENT.
I THINK THEY ALSO NEED TO -- I
THINK FACEBOOK ACTUALLY DOES
THIS BETTER IN THE SENSE THAT
ARE RATHER THAN HAVING EVERYONE
IN NORTHERN CALIFORNIA MAKE THE
CALL ON CONTENT AND USING ONE
FILTER.
THEY WANT MULTIPLE FILTERS
THROUGHOUT.
TWITTER IS A SMALLER COMPANY.
THEY DON'T HAVE THE SAME
DON'T HAVE A BUNCH OF PEOPLE IN
AN OFFICE IN NORTHERN CALIFORNIA
MAKING HARD DECISIONS ABOUT
CONTENT, I THINK IT'S PROBABLY
PRACTICES, SHOULD THE GOVERNMENT
PICK THOSE BEST PRACTICES AND
IMPOSE THAT?
WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE
IN TERMS OF THE GOVERNMENT
STEPPING IN, I THINK OBVIOUSLY
YOU WANT TO KEEP THAT TO A
MINIMUM.
LIKELY REGULATION WE'RE GOING TO
SEE ON THE SOCIAL NETWORKS.
LEAST ONE OF THESE NETWORKS AND
BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN HAMMERED
THE MOST AND HAVE THROWN THE
MOST RESOURCES AGAINST IT AND
HOPEFULLY SEE OTHER NETWORKS
ADOPT THAT.
TWITTER HAS A TOTALLY DIFFERENT
ROLE THAN FACEBOOK.
IT'S SIMILAR BUT THEY'RE MORE OF
A CURATE.
HEALTHY CONVERSATION LIKE WE'VE
SEEN IT OVER THE YEARS WITH
BULLYING, WITH ABUSE, PEOPLE
GETTING KICKED OFF THE PLATFORM
OR LEAVING THE PLATFORM.
PEOPLE WILL QUIBBLE OVER IT IF
IT'S DONE BY A GOVERNMENT, WHAT
FACEBOOK IS DOES INMORE
INSIDIOUS.
THEY -- DOES IS MORE INSIDIOUS.
THEY BASICALLY ARE SELLING IN
DATA ABOUT YOURSELF AND THEY LET
LITERALLY TENS OF MILL MILLIONS
PEOPLE'S ACCOUNTS WERE
COMPROMISED.
WHO DOWNLOAD THE APP BUT THE
FRIENDS DATA AS WELL.
THAT DATA IS OUT THERE.
IT'S SPREAD AROUND THE WORLD.
TWITTER -- NOT TWITTER, FACEBOOK
DOESN'T EVEN KNOW WHERE IT IS.
MARIA: WHERE IS GOOGLE IN ALL
OF THIS?
DURING THE CALIFORNIA PRIMARY,
IF YOU GOOGLED CALIFORNIA GOP
WHAT ARE THE IDEOLOGIES, A LIST
OF IDEOLOGIES COMES UP AND ONE
OF THE IDEOLOGIES WAS NAZIISM.
>> GOOGLE IS A VAST COMPANY AT
WERE OTHER ACCUSATIONS OF BERNIE
SANDERS VERSUS HILLARY CLINTON
AND THERE WAS A THING WHERE THE
RESULTS THAT CAME UP BERNIE
SANDERS WAS SORT OF
DISADVANTAGED.
MARIA: IF YOU GOOGLED HILLARY
CLINTON IT WAS ALL GOOD STORIES.
IF YOU GOOGLED DONALD TRUMP IT
WAS EVIL, EVIL, EVIL.
THERE WAS THAT AS WELL.
SEEMS TO ME, THEY'RE A MEDIA
COMPANY, IF THEY ABUSE THEIR
POWER, THERE WILL BE
CONSEQUENCES,.
>> I DON'T THINK THERE'S A ROOM
AT GOOGLE WHERE PEOPLE COME IN
TAKE TO, SAY, PREVENT
MISINFORMATION, LIKE IF
SOMETHING IS WRITTEN ABOUT YOU
THAT'S FALSE, I WOULD NOT LIKE
THAT TO APPEAR IN AN AUTO
COMPLETE OR SEARCH RESULT.
SO THEY HAVE TOOLS TO SORT OF
PUSH THAT DOWN.
BUT I DO THINK SOME OF THAT DOES
GET MIXED IN WITH THE POLITICAL