>>> I MADE CLEAR THAT I WOULD NOT TESTIFY AGAINST THE
PRESIDENT.
PRESIDENT. I AM ONE OF HIS OLDEST FRIENDS.
I THINK HE IS DOING A GREAT JOB
MAKING AMERICA GREAT AGAIN.
>> THAT WAS ROGER STONE VOWING
HE WOULD NEVER TESTIFY AGAINST
PRESIDENT TRUMP.
PRESIDENT TRUMP. THAT HAS BEEN A PROMISE THAT HAS
BEEN MADE AND BROKEN BY OTHER
PAST TRUMP ASSOCIATES, PERHAPS
MOST FAMOUSLY MICHAEL COHEN WHO
SADS HE WOULD TAKE A BULLET FOR
TRUMP WHICH IS NOT THE CASE NOW.
JOINING US IS CHUCK ROSENFORT.
LET ME BEGIN WITH THE IDEA THAT
STONE, CAROL LEE, WOULD NEVER
TAERLD E TURN AGAINST THE --
NEVER TURN AGAINST DONALD TRUMP.
>> I THINK YOUR FIRST POINT IS
THE KEY POINT.
NOT ONLY THE RUPT IS DEEPER, BUT
SHE A DIFFERENT ANIMAL.
HE IS A DIFFERENT TYPE OF
PERSON.
PERSON. HE IS A SHOW BOAT.
HIS WHOLE PERSONA IS AROUND
BEING DEFIANT AND IN YOUR FAUS.
>> I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY I’M
HOPING THE TEAM WILL PUT UP THE
NIXON THING.
NIXON THING. THAT WAS QUINTESSENTIAL ROGER
STONE.
STONE. >> HE HAS A STATTATTOO OF NIXON
THE BACK OF HIS NECK, THE IDEA,
AND I’M SURE YOU HEARD MILLIONS
OF TIMES PEOPLE SAY I WILL NEVER
FLIP, I WILL NEVER FLIP, BUT HE
IS JUST A LITTLE DIFFERENT IN
THAT SENSE.
THAT SENSE. THE OTHER THING THAT HE SAID
WHEN HE CAME OUT WAS THAT IT IS
BETTER TO BE TALKED ABOUT THAN
NOT TALKED ABOUT.
AND THE WAY HE WOULD BE TALKED
ABOUT IS JUST NOT THE KIND OF
THING THAT BROUGHT -- IT JUST
GOES COMPLETELY AGAINST HIS
WHOLE MO.
WHOLE MO. >> THE PRESIDENT TWEETED THIS
MORNING GREATEST WITCH HUNT IN
THE HISTORY OF OUR COUNTRY.
BY THE WAY, WHO ALERTED CNN TO
BE THERE?
BE THERE? CHUCK ROSENBERG YOU HAVE BEEN
VERY UPSET BY THE WAY SOME ARE
PORTRAYING WHAT THE FBI DID, AND
WHY IS IT SO APPROPRIATE?
>> AND I WAS ABOUT TO GET A
NIXON TATTOO, BUT I’M GOING TO
HOLD OFF FOR NOW.
>> YOU LOOK LIKE A TATTOO GUY.
>> I DON’T THINK IT IS EVEN A
CLOSE CALL.
CLOSE CALL. HERE IS WHY.
EVEN THOUGH IT MAY BE A FIRST
OFFENSE, IT SEEMS LIKE A WHITE
COLLAR CRIMINALISH THING, HE IS
CHARGEDTAMPERING.
CHARGEDTAMPERING. TELLS A WITNESS HE WILL GO AFTER
HIS DOG AND THEN HE SAYS PREPARE
TO DIE EXPLETIVE.
YOU FILL IN THE BLANK.
IF YOU’RE THE FB URKS, IF YOU’RE
A FEDERAL PROSECUTOR, YOU DON’T
TOLERATE THAT BEHAVIOR NOR DO
YOU RISK THAT IF YOU HAND HIM A
SUMMONS THAT HE WON’T MAKE GOOD
ON THAT THREAT.
SO YOU ASK A COURSE FOR AN
ARREST WARRANT, AND IN THIS CASE
THEY GRANTED IT AND THEY
EXECUTED IT PROPERLY.
WITH GUNS?
WITH GUNS? YOU BET, FBI AGENTS CARRY WEBS,
THAT’S WHAT THEY DO.
I THINK THE OUTCRY ABOUT
ARRESTING HIM IS NONSENSE.
>> ANNA, I THINK YOU’RE OUR
EXPERT ON JEROME COURSEY.
THE -- WHAT ROGERS, WHEN HE WAS
WITNESS TAMPERING, IT WAS THESE
TWO THAT HE WAS TRYING TO SHAPE
THEIR TESTIMONY.
THEIR TESTIMONY. WALK US THROUGH THAT
RELATIONSHIP AND WHY IS HE
DEPENDING MUELLER TODAY AND
SAYING I’M PRAYING FOR ROGER
STONE, BUT MUELLER IS TELLING
THE TRUTH?
THE TRUTH? >> THIS IS REALLY INTERESTING
WHEN YOU READ THROUGH THE
INDICTMENT AND YOU SEE ALL OF
THE LIES THAT ROGER STONE TOLD
THE CONGRESSIONAL COMMITTEE.
HE ACTUALLY GAVE ME EXCLUSIVE
ACCESS TO MULTIPLE TEXT MASSAGES
WITH THE RADIO HOST THAT HAD A
CONNECTION TO JULIAN ASSANGE.
IT IS VERY INTERESTING IN TRYING
TO PROTECT HIS NARRATIVE HE
REMEMBERED TELLING THE
CONGRESSIONAL COMMITTEE THAT
RANDY IN SUPPLEMENTAL TESTIMONY
WAS HIS BACK CHANNEL TO
WIKILEAKS.
WIKILEAKS. HE FELT THAT BY SHOWING THESE
TEXT MESSAGES IS PROED THAT
POINT AND YET IT FLEW CORRECTLY
IN THE FACE OF WHAT HE TOLD
CONGRESSIONAL COMMITTEES.
CONGRESSIONAL COMMITTEES. SO HE IS PROBABLY WONDERING
ABOUT HIS STRATEGY.
THE FACT IS THAT MUELLER GOT HIS
HANDS ON ALL OF THE
COMMUNICATIONS.
COMMUNICATIONS. NOW STONE GOES BACK A LONG TIME
WITH BOTH OF THESE MEN AND HE
CONSIDERED THEM FRIENDS.
UNTIL HE STARTED TO INTIMIDATE
RANDY AND TRY TO GET HIM NOT TO
TELL INVESTIGATORS HE WAS THE
BACK CHANNEL.
BACK CHANNEL. AND MORE RECENTLY THEY HAVE
FALLEN OUT.
FALLEN OUT. ONCE HE SAID THEY PROVIDED THAT
SYSTEM, HE TURNED ON HIM.
SHE A LIAR AND SOMEBODY WORKING.
HE SAYS HE WAS SHOCKED BY THE
ARREST.
ARREST. HE IS PRAYING FOR ROGER STONE,
AND HE STILL MIGHT SUE HIM NEXT
WEEK.
WEEK. >> WOULD YOU PORTRAIT HIM AS A
PATSY HERE OR SOMEONE THAT WAS
WANTING TO BE BIGGER THAN HE
WAS.
WAS. >> I THINK YOU COULD USE THAT
CHARACTERIZATION FOR ALL THREE
OF THESE MEN.
>> I THINK THAT IS A FAIR POINT
THE OTHER RIDDLE IS WHY IS ROGER
STONE SO CAREFUL IN WHAT HE SAYS
IN PUBLIC TELEVISION INTERVIEWS
AND SO CARELESS TALKING TO
CONGRESS.
CONGRESS. LISTEN TO THESE TWO ANSWERS TO
QUESTIONS I ASKED HIM.
>> I CAN SAY WITH CONFIDENCE
THAT I DON’T KNOW OF ANY RUB
SHAN COLLUSION OR ANY OTHER
INAPPROPRIATE ACT THAT I EVER
HAD ANY ADVANCED KNOWLEDGE OF
THE CONTENT, THE SOURCE, OR THE
EXACT TIMING OF THE WIKILEAKS
DISCLOSURES.
DISCLOSURES. THERE IS NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER
THAT I HAD ADVANCED KNOWLEDGE OF
THE CONTENT OR THE SOURCE OF THE
MATERIAL.
MATERIAL. I PASSED NOTHING ON TO DONALD
TRUMP AND THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN.
WE HAVE BEEN THROUGH THIS AD
NAUSEAM, THIS IS A WILD GOOSE
CHASE.
CHASE. >> AT THAT POINT IN TIME FOR
WHAT IT IS WORTH IN 2016, HOW
CONFIDENT DO YOU FEEL THAT IT
WAS NOTHING BUT A RUSSIAN FRONT?
>> I THINK THE WORLD SHOULD HAVE
KNOWN BECAUSE WE HAD SOME OF THE
EVIDENCE OUT THERE, HOW DID THEY
GET THE DNC E-MAILS WHEN IT WAS
KORED AT THE
COVERED AT THE PRINT MEDIA.
EVERYBODY FIGURED THE HACK WAS
PROBABLY FROM A STATE ENTITY,
PROBABLY FROM RUSSIA, AND JULIAN
A
A ASSANGE AND HIS COORDINATION
WITH RUSSIA, BUT THE WORLD SAW
THAT THESE HACKED E-MAILS THAT
THE RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT GOT WERE
RELEASED BY WIKILEAKS.
THEY PICKED WIKILEAKS BUT I’M
SURE IF THEY PICKED NBC WE WOULD
NOT BE ACCUSED OF BEING COME
POLICE -- COMEBASED ON THE E-MAI
AND TEXT CONVERSATIONS THAT WE
NOW KNOW THAT ROGER SAN ANTONIO
HAD,
HAD, -- STONE HAD, HE HAD KNOWLEDGE
OF IT.
OF IT. >> HE IS VERY SPECIFIC ABOUT
WHAT HE SAYS WIKILEAKS DID AND
DIDN’T DO.
DIDN’T DO. IT IS ALMOST LIKE HE WAS MORE
CAREFUL WITH US THAN WITH
CONGRESS.
CONGRESS. >> HE WAS MORE CAREFUL WITH YOU
THAN WITH CONGRESS.
HE FLAT OUT LIED TO CONGRESS AND
ONLY SORT OF LIED TO YOU.
>> I WONDER IF HE GOT BETTER OR
IF HE IS FIGURING OUT HIS STORY.
>> NOT CLEAR, BUT WHERE DID GO
IN ORDER TO FIND OUT WHAT HE
REALLY DID IN HIS E-MAILS AND
TEXT MESSAGES.
TEXT MESSAGES. CRIMINALS ARE NOT CAREFUL IN THE
END BECAUSE THEY CANNOT KEEP UP
WITH THEIR LIVES, AND WHERE DO
PROSECUTORS LOOK OVER AND OVER
AGAIN?
AGAIN? THAT IS WHERE YOU FIND THE