>>TODAY ON HIS SHOW, JOE SCARBOROUGH REVEALED INFORMATION
FROM BEHIND THE SCENES OF DONALD TRUMP CONSULTING WITH FOREIGN
POLICY EXPERTS, AND HIS INCREDIBLY SCARY VIEWS ON
NUCLEAR WEAPONS.
>>I'LL BE VERY CAREFUL HERE -- SEVERAL MONTHS AGO, A FOREIGN
POLICY EXPERT ON THE INTERNATIONAL LEVEL WENT TO
ADVISE DONALD TRUMP, AND THREE TIMES HE ASKED ABOUT THE USE OF
NUCLEAR WEAPONS.
THREE TIMES HE ASKED AT ONE POINT, IF WE HAVE
THEM WHY CAN'T WE USE THEM?
THAT'S --
>>OH WOW.
>>THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY HE DOESN'T HAVE FOREIGN
POLICY EXPERTS AROUND.
>>TRUMP ASKED THREE TIMES?
>>THREE TIMES IN A ONE-HOUR BRIEFING, WHY CAN'T WE USE
NUCLEAR WEAPONS?
>>THE STEPS, DONALD TRUMP DECIDES TO USE A NUCLEAR WEAPON
-- WHAT IS THE TIMEFRAME BETWEEN HIS DECISION AND WHEN THE
NUCLEAR WEAPONS ARE LAUNCHED?
>>JOE, IT IS SCENARIO DEPENDENT BUT THE SYSTEM IS DESIGNED FOR
SPEED AND DECISIVENESS, NOT TO DEBATE THE DECISION.
>>GENERAL MICHAEL HAYDEN YOU SAW, OTHER THAN BEING ON THAT
70S SHOW A WHILE BACK, IS A LOATHSOME RIGHT-WINGER.
HE IS
THE GUY WHO LOVED THE WARRANTLESS WIRETAPPING,
JUSTIFIED IT, JUSTIFIED TORTURE -- I CAN'T STAND SEE HIM ON TV
AS SOME SORT OF LEGITIMATE, UNBIASED EXPERT.
HAVING SAID
THAT, TRUMP IS SO RIGHT-WING, SO DANGEROUS, THAT HAYDEN, IF YOU
WATCH THE WHOLE INTERVIEW, IS LIKE, NO.
WHAT?
WE CAN'T USE
NUKES.
THAT IS WHY THIS GUY HAS GOT NO LEGITIMATE FOREIGN POLICY
EXPERTS AROUND HIM, THEY RUN WITH THEIR HAIR ON FIRE OUT OF
THE BUILDING AFTER THE TALK TO HIM.
GUYS LIKE HAYDEN WHO ARE
SUPER RIGHT-WING GO, TRUMP IS A MONSTER.
>>THERE IS A NUMBER OF GUYS FLOATING AROUND THAT WERE
ADVISING JEB BUSH AND SOME OF THE OTHER CANDIDATES, THE BUSH
ERA PEOPLE, THAT HAVE HORRIFIC IDEAS OF HOW THE INTERNATIONAL
SYSTEM SHOULD BE SET UP, BUT AT THE VERY LEAST WHILE THEY WANT
TO MAYBE ENRICH THEMSELVES OR CORPORATIONS THROUGH THESE
DECORATIONS, THEY DON'T WANT GLOBAL THERMONUCLEAR WAR.
AND
THAT I THINK HAS ALWAYS BEEN A POINT IN THEIR FAVOR.
UNFORTUNATELY TRUMP DOESN'T SEEM TO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT.
THE
TRUMP CAMPAIGN IN RESPONSE TO JOE SCARBOROUGH -- AND IT IS
SECONDHAND INFORMATION, OR THIRDHAND -- THEY ARE SAYING WE
DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING LIKE THIS.
BUT TRUMP HAS BEEN TALKING ABOUT
NUKES THROUGHOUT THE CAMPAIGN.
WE HAVE THREE VIDEOS FROM THREE
DIFFERENT INSTANCES OF TRUMP TALKING ABOUT NUCLEAR WEAPONS.
>>SOMEBODY HITS US WITH A NUKE, YOU WOULDN'T FIGHT BACK WITH A
NUKE?
>>TO DROP A NUCLEAR WEAPON INTO A COMMUNITY --
>>YOU DON'T WANT TO SAY TAKE EVERYTHING OFF THE TABLE, YOU
ARE BAD NEGOTIATOR IF YOU DO.
NUCLEAR SHOULD BE OFF THE TABLE,
BUT SHOULD THERE BE A TIME WHEN IT'S USED?
POSSIBLY.
>>EVERYONE HEARS THE GUY RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT OF THE
UNITED STATES IS TALKING ABOUT USING NUCLEAR WEAPONS.
>>THEN WHY ARE WE MAKING THEM?
I WOULD NEVER TAKE ANY OF MY CARDS
OFF THE TABLE.
>>YOU MIGHT USE THEM IN EUROPE?
>>NO, I DON'T THINK SO.
I AM NOT TAKING CARDS OFF THE TABLE.
>>I DON'T WANT TO RULE OUT ANYTHING, I WILL BE THE LAST TO
USE NUCLEAR WEAPONS, IT'S A HORROR TO USE NEW WEAPONS, THE
POWER OF WEAPONRY TODAY IS THE SINGLE GREATEST PROBLEM THAT OUR
WORLD HAS, AND IT'S NOT GLOBAL WARMING LIKE OUR PRESIDENT SAID,
IT IS THE POWER OF WEAPONS, AND PARTICULAR NUCLEAR.
I WILL BE
THE LAST TO USE IT, I WILL NOT BE A HAPPY TRIGGER LIKE SOME
PEOPLE MIGHT THINK.
BUT I WILL NEVER, EVER RULE IT OUT..
>>HE WON'T BE A HAPPY TRIGGER, WHICH IS REASSURING.
>>WHATEVER THAT MEANS.
PEOPLE ARE GOING TO GET MAD AT ME, BUT
THIS IS THE SAM HARRIS TRICK.
I'M NOT TAKING THEM OFF THE
TABLE -- I AM TAKING THEM OFF THE TABLE.
I MEAN, IT'S A
HORROR, WHO WOULD USE NUCLEAR WEAPONS?
THAT IS OUTRAGEOUS.
BUT
I'M NOT TAKING IT OFF THE TABLE AND I MIGHT USE THEM IN THE
MIDDLE EAST, OR EUROPE, BUT WHO WOULD USE THEM?
I MIGHT.
THAT IS
WHAT YOU JUST HEARD THERE.
AND THEN PEOPLE HEAR WHATEVER THEY
WANT TO HEAR.
IF THEY WANT TO EXCUSE HIS BEHAVIOR THEY GO, HE
SAID HE WOULDN'T USE THEM.
HE SAID AT THE BEGINNING HE TOOK
THEM OFF THE TABLE.
THEN HE SAID IN THE SENTENCE AFTERWARDS, WE
CAN'T TAKE THEM OFF THE TABLE.
AND FOR THE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO
HEAR THAT HE COULD POSSIBLY USE THEM, THEY GO, PERFECT, THAT IS
MY GUY, HE MIGHT USE THE NUKES.
AND TRUMP DOES THIS EVEN BETTER
THAN SAM DOES, THAT IS HIS GO TO MOVE.
WE COULD BAN MUSLIMS, DID
I SAY MUSLIMS?
I DIDN'T SAY MUSLIMS, MAYBE THE REGION
MUSLIMS COME FROM.
SO HERE WE ARE, TALKING ABOUT MAYBE THERE
IS A CIRCUMSTANCE UNDER WHICH WE USE NUCLEAR WEAPONS.
>>AND THE PROBLEM IS -- LIKE, HE ALWAYS DOES THE THING OF THE
INTERNAL LACK OF CONSISTENCY, AND YOU CAN READ WHATEVER YOU
WANT INTO THEM, BUT THE PROBLEM IS THAT YOU CAN'T HAVE A
SITUATION WHERE HE MIGHT USE NUKES, HE MIGHT NOT -- FROM THE
POINT OF VIEW OF A FOREIGN GOVERNMENT, OKAY, HE MIGHT.
THE
UNCERTAINTY CAUSES THE PROBLEMS.
WE HAVE A TENTATIVE PEACE THAT
HAS HELD SINCE WORLD WAR II, AND IT DEPENDS ON THE KNOWLEDGE THAT
OTHER COUNTRIES HAVE THAT THEORETICALLY IN RESPONSE TO AN
ATTACK WE COULD WIPE OUT THEIR COUNTRY BUT WE WILL NOT
PREEMPTIVELY LAUNCH A NUCLEAR ATTACK, BECAUSE OF THEY BELIEVE
THAT IS THE CASE, SINCE THEY DON'T HAVE A NUCLEAR TRIAD -- IN
MOST CASES OTHER THAN RUSSIA, THEY DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO
MAKE SURE THEY COULD DO A SECOND NUCLEAR STRIKE, THEY MIGHT FEEL
LIKE THEN WE HAVE TO ACT.
IF HE MIGHT AT ANY MOMENT DESTROY US
WE HAVE TO ACT NOW.
BUT PAST PRESIDENTS, THAT IS NOT ON THE
TABLE.
NO SORT OF PREEMPTIVE NUCLEAR ATTACK.
AND WHEN HE SAID
IN THAT VIDEO WITH CHRIS MATTHEWS, WHY DO WE MAKE THEM?
HE IS BEING HONEST THERE, HE HAS NO CLUE WHY WE MAKE NUCLEAR
WEAPONS OR WHAT ROLE THEY PAY IN OUR DEFENSE STRATEGY SINCE WORLD
WAR II.
AND YOU CANNOT LET HIM GET THIS FAR WITHOUT KNOWING
ANYTHING ABOUT THE MOST DANGEROUS WEAPONS HUMANITY
HAS CREATED.
>>THIS REMINDS ME OF HIS COMMENTS ABOUT THE U.S. DEBT AND
BONDHOLDERS.
WHEN HE SAID I MIGHT ASK THEM TO TAKE A
HAIRCUT, WE CAN JUST READ NEGOTIATE.
YOU KNUCKLEHEAD, THAT
MIGHT WORK IN BUSINESS, AND YOU'VE DONE THAT MANY TIMES,
WHERE HE GOES ON BANKRUPT, SCREW YOU, I'M NOT PAYING -- BUT THE
U.S. CAN'T DO THAT BECAUSE IT HAS CASCADING CONSEQUENCES.
IF
YOU SAY I MIGHT NOT PAY YOU THE FULL AMOUNT I OWE, THEY MIGHT
RAISE HER INTEREST RATES AND THAT WILL COST US EXTRA
BILLIONS IN INTEREST RATES, AND IT HAS ENORMOUS REPERCUSSIONS
BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT JUST RUNNING A BUSINESS, IT IS THE U.S.
GOVERNMENT AND THE DOLLAR IS SO IMPORTANT TO THE GLOBAL ECONOMY.
HERE HE IS LIKE, WHY DO WE HAVE THESE NUCLEAR WEAPONS?
WE HAVE
THEM AS A DETERRENT BECAUSE IF A GIANT NUCLEAR POWER LIKE RUSSIA
THINKS WE CAN DO A PREEMPTIVE STRIKE, THEY KNOW WE WILL STRIKE
BACK.
IF YOU SAY WE WILL DO THE PRINTER STRIKE, THEN YOU'VE
CREATED A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT EQUATION WHERE YOU'VE
DESTABILIZED THE WORLD IN EXACTLY THE WAY JOHN JUST
EXPLAINED.
AND IF YOU CAN'T UNDERSTAND THAT DIFFERENCE, YOU
ARE VERY, VERY DANGEROUS.
>>I WANT TO TALK BRIEFLY -- THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE,
CONSERVATIVES WHO SUPPORT TRUMP, WHO MIGHT THINK HE WON'T
ACTUALLY DO IT, OR EVEN IF YOU WANTED TO THERE ARE CHECKS AND
BALANCES.
AND ON TOP OF THOSE CONSERVATIVES YOU HAVE THESE
WEIRD PROGRESSIVES WHO THINK THAT THEIR JOB ON SOCIAL MEDIA
IS TO DOWNPLAY THE THREAT OF TRUMP, WHEN THEY SAY THAT
CONGRESS WOULD NEVER AGREE TO WHAT HE SAYS, OR HE WILL SIMPLY
BE IMPEACHED, WHICH WOULD GIVE US MIKE PENCE AS PRESIDENT, THEY
RARELY THINK TWO STEPS AHEAD -- IN THIS CASE YOU MIGHT THINK,
WHY ARE YOU SO WORRIED ABOUT HIM?
THE MILITARY WON'T ACTUALLY
DO IT, OR CONGRESS WILL STOP HIM -- THAT IS NOT THE CASE WHEN IT
COMES TO NUCLEAR WEAPONS.
MICHAEL HAYDEN BRIEFLY TOUCHED
ON IT BUT I WANT TO TELL YOU A LITTLE BIT OF WHY YOU SHOULD BE
HORRIFIED BY THE SINGULAR POWER HE WOULD HAVE WITHOUT ANY CHECKS
AND BALANCES WHEN IT COMES TO NUCLEAR WEAPONS.
BACK IN 2008
DICK CHENEY HAD THIS TO SAY ABOUT THE CAPACITY OF THE
PRESIDENT TO LAUNCH NUCLEAR WEAPONS ON HIS OWN --
>>RON ROSENBAUM THREE YEARS LATER IN 2011 DECIDED TO CHECK
IN ON THIS AND LOOKED AT ALL OF THE LAWS, TALKED WITH MILITARY
OFFICIALS, AND CAME UP WITH THIS CONCLUSION --
>>TECHNICALLY, THE SECRETARY OF DEFENSE HAS TO AGREE, BUT HE IS
ALSO LEGALLY OBLIGATED TO AGREE WITH THE PRESIDENT WHEN THE
PRESIDENT DECIDES TO LAUNCH NUCLEAR WEAPONS.
OUR SYSTEM IS
SET UP SO THAT WITHIN 30 MINUTES OF THE PRESIDENT DECIDING, ONCE
WE HEAR THAT RUSSIAN NUCLEAR WEAPONS ARE IN THE AIR, OURS ARE
ALSO IN THE AIR.
THERE CAN BE NO CHECKS AND BALANCES THAT TAKE
EXTRA TIME AND LEAVE US WITHOUT THE CAPACITY TO STRIKE BACK.
THE
PRESIDENT DID BACK THEN, AND STILL CAN, LAUNCH ON HIS OWN,
NUCLEAR WEAPONS.
AND HE IS SHOWING THAT HE IS ALREADY
CHOMPING AT THE BIT TO DO IT.
>>AND IF THE SECRETARY OF DEFENSE DISAGREES, YOU ARE
FIRED, YOU ARE NOW THE SECRETARY OF DEFENSE.
DO YOU AGREE?
FINE,
LAUNCH.
I WILL END ON A SILLY NOTE HERE BUT IT GIVES YOU A
LITTLE BIT OF THE MINDSET OF DONALD TRUMP -- THAT BABY STORY
YOU DID YESTERDAY WHERE HE SAYS I LOVE BABIES, I WANT THEM TO
LISTEN TO MY SPEECH, AND LATER HE IS LIKE, I CAN'T BELIEVE SHE
BELIEVES ME, OF COURSE I WANT YOU TO LEAVE WITH THE BABY.
FOR
ALL YOU PEOPLE SAYING, TRUMP WOULD NEVER DO IT -- I CAN'T
BELIEVE YOU BELIEVED HIM.
LIKE, NO -- HE IS A SERIAL LIAR, HE
WILL TURN AROUND AND GO, WHAT DO YOU MEAN?
I SAID I TOOK THEM OFF
THE TABLE BUT OF COURSE I WAS LYING.
AND I TOLD YOU I DIDN'T
TAKE THEM OFF THE TABLE.
YOU ARE GOING TO RISK HUMANITY ON THIS
FUCKING MADMAN?
IT IS DEEPLY FRUSTRATING THAT THEY HAVE A
SUPER ESTABLISHMENT CANDIDATE LIKE HILLARY CLINTON AND ON
THE OTHER SIDE THEY HAVE A MONSTER THAT WE CANNOT
POSSIBLY VOTE FOR.
>>THAT SOME OF THE GOP WON'T EVEN VOTE FOR.
>>SUPER FRUSTRATING, BUT THAT IS THE SITUATION.