PANEL IS HERE. PAT McCRORY, THE FOREMAN
GOVERNOR OF NORTH CAROLINA.
KASIE HUNT.
KASIE HUNT. AND ROBERT COSTA, THE MODERATOR
OF "WASHINGTON WEEK" ON PBS.
KASIE, LET’S UNPACK THE HILL
BEFORE WE GET TO THE
PRESIDENTIAL RACE.
PRESIDENTIAL RACE. THE HILL DEBATE IS GOING TO
ANIMATE THE PRESIDENTIAL RACE.
LET ME PLAY NANCY PELOSI ON OMAR
FROM FRIDAY.
FROM FRIDAY. >> THE INCIDENT THAT HAPPENED
WAS, I DON’T THINK OUR COLLEAGUE
IS ANTI-SEMITIC.
IS ANTI-SEMITIC. I THINK SHE HAS A DIFFERENT
EXPERIENCE IN THE USE OF WORDS,
DOESN’T UNDERSTAND THAT SOME OF
THEM ARE FRAUGHT WITH MEANING
THAT SHE DIDN’T REALIZE.
BUT NONETHELESS, THAT WE HAD TO
ADDRESS.
ADDRESS. >> I WILL SAY THIS, SPEAKER
PELOSI HAS GIVEN ME MY NEW
FAVORITE EXCUSE, SHE HAS A
DIFFERENT EXPERIENCE WITH CHOICE
OF WORDS.
OF WORDS. THAT IS ONE OF MY NEW PHRASES.
THIS IS NOT EASY.
>> IT’S NOT EASY, CHUCK.
ONE THING IF YOU SPEAK WITH
MEMBERS OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY,
WHO ARE FRUSTRATED HOW THEIR
PARTY HANDLED THIS.
THERE ARE JEWISH AND NON-JEWISH
THAT ARE UPSET THAT THIS IS AS
BROAD AS IT WAS.
SHE SAID ISRAEL WAS HYPNOTIZING
THE WORLD BEFORE SHE WAS IN
OFFICE.
OFFICE. SHE HAD THE BENJAMINS TWEET THAT
YOU SHOWED THE AUDIENCE AT THE
TOP OF THE SHOW.
NOW, SHE HAS THIS.
EVERY TIME, SHE HAS PLED
IGNORANCE OF THESE TROEPS.
BUT THEY’RE TROPES FOR A REASON.
SHE’S PICKING UP ON LANGUAGE
THAT IS ANTI-SEMITIC, QUITE
FRANKLY.
FRANKLY. I THINK NANCY PELOSI IS DOING
WHAT SHE HAS VERY CAREFULLY
DONE, SINCE THIS NEW CAUCUS HAS
COME TOGETHER, WHICH IS TRY TO
VERY CAREFULLY THREAD THAT
NEEDLE AND TRY TO SEW THESE TWO
DIFFERENT GENERATIONS TOGETHER.
AND IT’S GETTING HARDER.
>> BUT THERE’S ONLY SO MUCH
SPEAKER PELOSI CAN DO.
I MET WITH SEASONED VETERANS
OVER THE LAST WEEK.
THEY SAID IN THIS DAY AND AGE OF
SOCIAL MEDIA, WHERE SOMEONE LIKE
REPRESENTATIVE OMAR CAN HAVE
MILLIONS OF FOLLOWERS, THE OLD
RULES DON’T APPLY.
AND SO, SPEAKER PELOSI MAY TRY
TO COBBLE TOGETHER LEGISLATION,
TO SEND A MESSAGE TO VOTERS.
BUT THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE
POLITICAL CAPITAL INSIDE THIS
PARTY, ARE THOSE WITH A SOCIAL
MEDIA FOLLOWING.
MEDIA FOLLOWING. >> OKAY.
>> OKAY. IF YOU GET OFF SOCIAL MEDIA, THE
WORLD LOOKS NORMAL.
>> FAIRLY DIFFERENT.
>> BUT IF YOU LIVE ON SOCIAL
MEDIA -- I MEAN, I DON’T MEAN TO
CARRY THIS OVER.
THE NBA IS HAVING A PROBLEM.
ITS PLAYERS ARE MAKING ALL THIS
MONEY AND THEY’RE DEPRESSED
BECAUSE THEY LIVE ON SOCIAL
MEDIA AND FEEL EVERY NEGATIVE
COMMENT AND LIVE IT.
THAT’S WHAT IS HAPPENING TO THIS
YOUNGER GENERATION.
YOUNGER GENERATION. >> AND PART OF IT, TOO, IS YOU
DON’T KNOW WHO IS TWEETING YOU.
ARE THEY BOTS OR REAL PEOPLE?
AND THE CHALLENGE IS, PRESIDENT
TRUMP HAS REALLY DONE A
FANTASTIC JOB, COMMUNICATING TO
A BROADER AUDIENCE BASED ON HIS
TWEETS.
TWEETS. AND IT’S TOE-TO-TOE WITH A
GENERATION THAT EXPECTS THEY’RE
GOING TO HAVE THEIR BREAKING
NEWS, NOT ON "THE NEW YORK
TIMES," BUT THROUGH A TWEET.
AND YOU DON’T HAVE TO HAVE THE
ACCURATE LITERACY, OF, IS THIS
ACCURATE?
ACCURATE? THAT’S A CHALLENGE.
>> AS A FORMER MAYOR AND
GOVERNOR, I THOUGHT THAT
RESOLUTIONS WITHOUT ACTIONS WERE
EMPTY GESTURES.
EMPTY GESTURES. AND THIS RESOLUTION WAS AN EMPTY
GESTURE, WHICH TRIED TO PLEASE
EVERYONE AND ENDED UP PLEASING
NO ONE.
NO ONE. BUT THE PROBLEM WITH THE
DEMOCRATS, WITH THESE NEW
MILLENNIALS, I CALL THEM THE AOC
MILLENNIALS, NOT ONLY DO THEY
THINK THEY HAVE THE ANSWERS,
THEY THINK THEY ALREADY HAVE
WISDOM.
WISDOM. AND THE NANCY PELOSIS OF THE
WORLD HAVE WISDOM.
AND THEY ARE TRYING TO EXPLAIN
TO THE YOUNGER PEOPLE, WAIT, I’M
THE OLD PERSON.
AND YOU CANNOT MAKE THAT
ARGUMENT.
ARGUMENT. >> THERE ARE SOME MILLENNIALS AT
THIS TABLE.
THIS TABLE. >> BRING IT ON, KASIE.
>> HONESTLY, I THINK THE LEADERS
CAN LEARN SOMETHING FROM THE
NEWER -- I TAKE YOUR POINT THAT,
YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE NOT HAD THE
KIND OF EXPERIENCE IN GOVERNMENT
AND I THINK TO A CERTAIN EXTENT,
THERE ARE GOING TO BE
CONSEQUENCES FOR SOME OF THE
ACTIONS THEY TAKE ON SOCIAL
MEDIA, IN THE UNIVERSE OF TRYING
TO GET THINGS DONE.
BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, I THINK
THE OLD GUARD DOESN’T REALLY
UNDERSTAND THE POWER OF WHAT
THEY BRING.
THEY BRING. >> BY THE WAY, GUYS, I WANT TO
INSERT SOMEBODY INTO HERE REALLY
QUICKLY.
QUICKLY. "THE TIMES" SET IT UP WELL.
"THE TIMES" SAID, THIS IS A
DEBATE IN THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY.
DO AMERICANS PINE FOR A
PRE-TRUMP EQUILIBRIUM?
PRE-TRUMP EQUILIBRIUM? OR DO THE YAWNING DISPARITIES OF
THESE TIMES CALL OUT FOR A MORE
TRANSFORMATIONAL ADMINISTRATION?
TRANSFORMATIONAL ADMINISTRATION? >> THAT.
>> THAT. ABSOLUTELY THAT.
ABSOLUTELY THAT. >> NOW, LISTEN TO AOC YESTERDAY.
LISTEN TO THIS.
>> MODERATE IS NOT A STANCE.
IT’S JUST AN ATTITUDE TOWARD
LIFE OF, LIKE --
THE MEH IS LIKE WORSHIPED NOW
FOR WHAT?
FOR WHAT? >> I REST MY CASE.
BUT THE POINT I WANT TO MAKE IS
THERE’S ANOTHER ISSUE THAT
BROUGHT OUT THE AOC MILLENNIALS
AGAINST THE TRADITIONAL LIBERAL
DEMOCRATS.
DEMOCRATS. THAT WAS AMAZON.
CUOMO
CUOMO CUOMO, ONE OF THE MOST LIBERAL
MAYORS OF NEW YORK CITY WE’VE
EVER HAD, GAVE TAX BREAKS TO A
MAJOR MULTIBILLION-DOLLAR AOC
FOUGHT IT.
FOUGHT IT. THE $2 BILLION DIDN’T EXIST.
SHE DIDN’T HAVE THE KNOWLEDGE
NECESSARY OF THE ECONOMY.
NOW, PHILOSOPHY, THAT’S A GOOD
ARGUMENT.
ARGUMENT. THAT’S ALSO SHOWING THE DIVISION
IN THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY.
>> I THINK THAT WHAT MILLENNIALS
ARE FEELING IS THEY ARE FEELING
FROM THEIR EXPERIENCE.
THEY KNOW THAT SOMETHING IS OFF.
THEY KNOW THEIR EXPERIENCE THAT
THEY’RE GOING TO HAVE A
GUARANTEED BRIGHTER FUTURE THAN
THEIR PARENTS IS NOT GOING TO
HAPPEN.
HAPPEN. >> IT’S BROKEN.
>> IT’S BROKEN.
>> IT USED TO BE, IF YOU WORKED
HARD AND YOU FOLLOWED THE ETHICS
OF YOUR PARENTS, YOU WOULD END
UP WORKING FOR A COMPANY THAT
WOULD TAKE CARE OF YOU FOR A
LONG TIME.
LONG TIME. THAT’S NOT THE CASE ANYMORE.
IT IS SIMPLY NOT THE CASE.
>> IT’S BIGGER THAN AGE.
THE POINT REPRESENTATIVE CORTEZ
IS MAKING, IS THAT THE
DEMOCRATIC PARTY NEEDS TO MOVE
TO THE LEFT.
YOU LOOK AT THIS 2020
PRESIDENTIAL RACE, WHERE IS THE
ENERGY?
ENERGY? FUND-RAISING, BERNIE SANDERS.
HE’S IN HIS UPPER 70s.
YET, HE’S THE RUNNER-UP FROM ’16
AND HE’S SAYING TO PEOPLE LIKE
THE REPRESENTATIVE OF NEW YORK,
I’M YOUR TYPE OF CANDIDATE.
I’M NOT A MEH CANDIDATE, TO USE
HER TERM.
HER TERM. >> IT TAKES TWO 75-PLUS-YEAR-OLD
GUYS TO HAVE AN ARGUMENT BETWEEN
THIS GENERATIONAL ARGUMENT HERE.
ARE THEY PLACE HOLDERS FOR NOW
UNTIL THE YOUNGER GENERATION
GETS MORE GRASS ROOTS SUPPORT?
>> I THINK THAT EVERYBODY IS
WAITING IN THE WINGS IN LARGE
PART BECAUSE THEY ARE WAITING
FOR WETBETO TO ANNOUNCE.
ALL OF THE DEMOCRATS THAT ARE
TRYING TO MOVE TO THE LEFT, HE
HAS NOT NECESSARILY SAID HE IS.
AND HE’S MORE PALATABLE TO THE
INDEPENDENTS.
INDEPENDENTS. AND HE’S DONE THAT IN AN
INTERESTING WAY.
INTERESTING WAY. IF YOU ASK HIM WHERE HIS
POLICIES ARE, THEY’RE NOT ON THE
LEFT.
LEFT. >> IF THERE’S A CRITICISM ON
BETO, YOU DON’T KNOW WHERE HE
STANDS.
STANDS. >> ALL OF THE LEFT-WING STANCES,
THE GREEN PLAN, WHERE THE
MILLENNIALS REALIZE THEY HAVE TO
HAVE EMERGENCY AND POWER AT AN
AFFORDABLE PRICE, THEY WILL FIND
OUT THAT ENERGY IS NOT CHEAP.
YOU NEED ENERGY TO SURVIVE.
AND THE REALITY IS GOING TO WAKE
THEM UP SOME TIME.
>> THIS IS A CONVERSATION THAT