Cronkite school of journalism at
Arizona state university.
Amna: On the campaign trail this
weekend former president Donald
Trump made clear that if elected
again he would pursue more
extreme immigration policies
including mass deportations of
millions of people.
>> On day one I will terminate
every open border policy of the
Biden administration and we will
begin the largest domestic
deportation operation in
American history.
We have no choice.
Amna: To break down the
potential impact we are joined
by Lara Lopez.
What has the former president
laid out in terms of his
immigration plan?
Reporter: On the mask
deportation plan that he has
talked about including this
weekend, we have known some
details of how it would be
carried out from Stephen Miller,
the architect of Donald Trump's
first-term immigration policies
who remains a close ally of the
president.
He talked about how they would
carry about. Carry out that kind
of deportation plan.
>> In terms of personnel, you go
to the red state governors and
you say, give us your national
Guard.
We will deputize them as
immigration enforcement
officers.
The Virginia National Guard will
work in Virginia.
Amna: Stephen Miller is talking
about how they would federalize
the National Guard to carry out
the mass deportation plan.
Through comments from the former
president himself, reports as
well as aligned policy groups we
have a picture of the type of
immigration policies that the
former president would implement
if you were to win a second
term.
The list is not exhaustive but
it includes building large-scale
camps near the southern border,
the end of birthright
citizenship for U.S. Born
children of undocumented
immigrants and creating a
federalized army of red state
National Guard spirit amna: Is
that legally possible?
Reporter: Technically, yes it
is.
I spoke with Joseph non-from the
Brennan center for justice and
he is a legal expert on U.S.
Military activities
domestically.
And he said that this is legally
possible for the president to
do.
>> For Donald Trump's proposal
to send the National Guard from
red states into blue states in
order to enforce the deportation
program could only be
accomplished through the
insurrection act which makes the
president the sole judge of
whether a given situation
warrants invoking the act.
An insurrection is whatever the
president says is an
insurrection.
That is why it is important for
congress to reform the
insurrection act to put in place
safeguards against abuse.
As things stand there are quite
literally no guard rails.
Reporter: The former president
trump has wide authority to
institute the insurrection act
in order to federalize national
guards and send them into other
states to round up migrants.
The last time the insurrection
act was invoked was in 1992.
Before that, it was invoked over
the objection of states and
state leaders was in the 1960's.
Amna: What would that mean for
the military?
Reporter: Joseph non-said to do
something like that you would
have to have large-scale
mobilization of the national
Guard and it would require these
members of the military who have
other duties and the national
Guard is key with helping duties
are brought, they would be taken
away from that in order to carry
this out.
I spoke with a former commission
of customs and border protection
who said that National Guard are
not trained in the way that
border agents or ice agents are
trained to be able to tell
whether something can be says --
whether someone can be did
change.
Amna: Mr. Trump also made some
other eye-popping statements
about America's commitment to
nato allies.
What did he say and what has the
response been like?
Reporter: His statements were in
form with the former president.
We have heard him say and the
path that he does not always
want to be aligned with nato.
He went further this weekend.
>> One of the presidents of a
big countries that come if we do
not pay and we are attacked by
Russia, will you protect us?
And I said, you did not pay and
you were delinquent and I would
say, no I would encourage them
to do whatever they want.
You have to pay your bills.
Reporter: Going further by
outright encouraging an
adversary like Russia to invade
nato allies and that he would
encourage them to do so.
The white house almost
immediately responded saying
that, threatened not just
national security but also
global stability.
I spoke with a former ambassador
who said his phone was almost
immediately blinking red.
He said that allies in Europe
are considering the unthinkable
which is that the U.S. May no
longer be willing to play a
leadership role in nato.
This comes as the vice president
is about to head to the Munich
security conference to address
allies.
Amna: Some insight into what