joining is todd friel he's the host of wretched tv this website is w_w_w_ dot
wretched dot t_v_ todd you recently wrote the election of twenty twelve may
go down in history as the official date that america became a post christian
nation
a new
non christian worldview determined that this election talk about that why is the
u_s_ now a post christian nation
well it should have been the economy
come us still big but it wasn't this should have been a landslide considering
our economy
allegedly early again
it they should have and i think a conservative slash republican landslide
victory whenever there's a rotten economy typically the incumbent is very
vulnerable they very vol normally jimmy carter like incumbent
won the election rather handily so there's gotta be something els going on
in our culture method is that what i was so excited that quantify how the economy
was bad for our audience
well i think that's it
and take a look at the unemployment rate you can take a look at the national debt
i think you can take a look at our gross domestic product you can take a look at
our country even from an international political standpoint the opinion an
added to their of other countries toward america what is going on in the middle
piece i thought this is a step that i got it so much stuff but look at that
in all polls opinion of the u_s_ of in other countries
was significantly higher than during the eight years of george w_ bush g_d_p_ was
growing up in it slowly
jobs we're recovering millions of jobs created so specifically which aspect of
that should have led to a romney victory
well sure we added some jobs but we weren't even keeping up with college
graduates
there was positive job abroad it wasn't enough to keep up with the number of
human beings that are even entering into the workforce hoga do we need to take a
look at then got busy do we need to see what's happening in in ship i don't know
what images we need to see the determine things aren't looking real good over
there and what about think i've they had to do with president obama
well i think that he it's underneath his watch
okidata quiet so that we wanted to have done differently
pardoning locadia done differently to prevent that that attack
well i think that
there's lots of things that could be done but we could talk about
through the factory i bought
when we see a strong america we see fewer embassy attacks
now this happen that a consulate so what does that have to do with anything
what is that to do with anything did for people that are not
but you're right about that we've had to do with that but this happen at a
conflict you talked about and this is how are the two related
a consulate ok arent so let's get on and so now we are post christian nation
now what happened
now what happens is things start to look different now you might think that they
look good but they definitely look different
we can see a nation
prayer nancy's
single mothers
i think we can see aids is a bit of a problem
i think we can see that families are disintegrating i think morality is
portrayed on t_v_ screens movie screens it is certainly a different america than
leave it to be berwyn sugary
uh... yes ok now and so what is bad is this something has changed when chaudhry
i'm sorry
so something has changed wouldn't you agree is certainly i mean for the first
time we saw marriage equality voted on by the popular vote in three standard if
you please if you're going to be a good reason in quincy named however correct
unfair
that you could if you could
the sitter that to be a good pic which i presume you do as i corrected it by the
salute
okay so you think that's a we think that is a weather kal change in america
our other throughout italy thing a steady progression now nine states but
do you think it's certainly parents than before the election so with that in mind
some is changed i'm a christian
i'm actually saying that i believe that it's the church's fault that the nation
is ch
in tinsel radically and i don't think it's in a good way i'd think it's a bad
way i'm actually what you and i apparently disagree on morality issues
by actually wanna take the blame for the change because i don't think the church
is doing a good job of getting are true message out by agree i mean certainly
the extreme conservative views of many religious organizations have turn voters
off drastically less people consider themselves religious than ever before
west people regularly go to church than ever before iraq rabbit blame the
channel blame religion for a lot of what's going on
do you think though that christians are oppressed in some way in this country
dot well i don't use the term or credit or persecuted
i don't think that uh... justice for the type of true persecution of christians
more than any other elliptical receiving overseas
due to the hands of communism orchid plum
but do if we get treated all but different in this country i happen to be
up to that question is more and more
yep and my whimpering and sucking my thumb in a corner noel
but so exciting that you know where there is just being treated in a way
that you don't like
well-equipped out the logically britain multiple recap
one man who owns but by the leader industries that that that he had
believed
but they are german
women in a woman
i think you sought the rather patrol response to that matt and would happen
to be a christian
okay but so so people certainly is on there
is that they are example of management polluted
this debate the christianity
i don't really know that it's about christianity it's about just basic
rights in america quality is coming it's going to be a nationwide thing
eventually he's going to be on the wrong side of history regardless of what his
his religious text alum
some people decided you know what i'd like that i'm gonna now go out of my way
to go to check for way
and some people said i don't like that now i won't go to chip away david you
question whether christian into the determination that is yet to be
interesting to me about what your progressive kind of fellow
i think the program i just don't know nicobar seems to be the briefing the
bears
winter oz
imposing values up another group of people and right now
progressive dot imposing
a christian more than ever before and they're not doing it gary pla ans
but how can we say that i'm uh... cute is variable
i mean todd how can we say so for example like one when voters in three
states voted
to affirm marriage equality deaf people casting a ballot no one's imposing views
it's just democracy is in it
your okay then
then why did you try to get a change
i'm what was i'm sorry we're having a technician
and why do you try to make a change if you don't lebudde laws impor openings
boredom morality
which quite honestly is a ridiculous
then why did you fight for a change then why didn't you get
coexist
well that's the thing because they are actually being discriminated against
merck for his morality rate
is morality child abuse of morality
somebody is going to be imposing the morality on somebody the question is who
and predominately right now i think the progressive are indeed winning because
the church right now
is not behaving the way
should be hating and we're not getting that message are or
placate the strength of say i think that we've been a bad job of dealing with the
cake issue high-grade atop we like sean hannity inr at limbaugh too much and we
should be coming by christians offering a message of for forgiveness not just
you people are wrecking the country so you believe gay people need to be
forgiven because it's a sin is that what i'm reading into it
you don't bother to read that subtly that exactly what the bible because yep
there
and then how about like marijuana legalization something we also saw voted
on a number of states what it what would be the true christian thing on that
well that it uh... it could
but complex issue in that the bible doesn't use the word marijuana app so
when we look for the bible to give it a direct eating with upheld what that so
we need to take a lot of different looks at the bible is the one at seven p
believe overall
the bible teachers buddy christian in individual should be in
control of his body his mind should be shark sober mind
i don't think that marijuana contribute to that therefore i a but they comes
down on marijuana and historically that has been the church's position okanagan
okay and then how about on on pornography
house about bernard you've been pornography is a good thing down
i think it's one of these things that is not sad not to be regulated and made it
illegal if you know it's a good thing
at that that's how they got more old judgment i think there's nothing wrong
with pornography not making moral judgments david seriously
i think there's nothing wrong with it
okay so you think that it is good
that women are portrayed
in that fashion
nobody but i think it was not the business of the government is get out a
lot on over to get looked at by complete strangers youth
and so i was up
youth they think that women being treated like sect object
morally neutral wasn't if you're asking me what i want apa tential daughter of
mine to be in porn
that's a very different question than whether i think that the government
should only read about them or not repeating if they work and i'm going to
daughter in a movie that they shouldn't be allowed to do that
in fact that kind of really the conservative republican idea isn't it
the free market should dictate yeah i thought that was what what you guys were
all about
what what what let's not be
he's brought many with argument we dictate lots of things all the time by
allied opera when pipe
are both women and part not review are they not somebody else's daughter
yes they are
don't you care about those girls idea but it's not my business what they do it
i don't think it's the government's business much the same way i don't know
what i think that
and so i thought
so you don't care about anybody in their behave
burial poster rape
of course
because somebody isn't consenting
outsole its content that is the shal
so if there is little there's an or not repeat that was brought there through
the sex trade are you opposed to that
i'm opposed to the sex trade yes
okay so it's just consent that's the issue
there's nothing moral about empty thing in your opinion instance consent todd i
mean if work what we're talking about strong an argument in reduction to the
absurd this is kind of a textbook cases in it
i don't think so but apparently a new todd friel is the host of wretched t_v_
i want you to check out his website wretched tv dot com there's certainly
a lot of material there for people to analyze and go over all the all the
information is there
dot although we didn't agree on much i do appreciate the conversation very much
i don't think they agreed on everything but i don't hate you david
all right very good thank you pat