>>> THE FBI IS FACING AN UNPRECEDENTED NUMBER OF THREATS
AGAINST ITS PERSONNEL AND OFFICES.
THEN LAST NIGHT FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP SAID THIS.
>> THE FBI AND THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT HAVE BECOME VICIOUS
MONSTERS CONTROLLED BY SKROUN DRELS, MEDIA WHO TELL THEM WHAT
TO DO. YOU PEOPLE RIGHT THERE AND WHEN
TO DO IT. THEY TRY TO SILENCE ME AND MORE
TONIGHTLY THEY ARE TRYING TO SILENCE YOU.
BUT WE WILL NOT BE SILENCED. RIGHT?
>> HERE TO DISCUSS THAT IS FORMER FBI SENIOR INTELLIGENCE
ADVISER PHIL MUD AND ANNUAL U.S. JULIA KHEIM.
HE SAID A LOT THAT'S IRRESPONSIBLE AND DANGEROUS.
YOUR THOUGHTS? >> MAKES ME NERVOUS.
HOW DO YOU CONDUCT AN INVESTIGATION WITH A FORMER
PRESIDENT VILIFY THE FBI. REMEMBER PEOPLE WHO ARE IN THE
SERVICE HAVE TO GO HOME TO A FAMILY INCLUDING CHILDREN AND
SAY IT'S A MIDTERM ELECTION CYCLE WITH THOSE THAT LISTEN TO
THE PRESIDENT AND MAYBE MORE SIGNIFICANTLY INTO AN ELECTION
CYCLE AND CONCEIVABLE THAT YOU WOULD HAVE ONCE AGAIN PRESIDENT
BIDEN VERSUS PRESIDENT TRUMP. IF YOU HAVE PUBLIC INFORMATION
ABOUT THE HOME ADDRESS AND ON MEDIA AS A FBI AGENT WHAT WOULD
YOU THINK? IN CONTRAST TO THE DAYS I WAS IN
THE FBI AND CIA CHASING ISIS AND AL QAEDA I WOULD BE MORE
CONCERNED ABOUT GOING TO THE HOME RESIDENCE THAN IN THE
PAPERS WITH STORIES ABOUT CHASING AL QAEDA AND ISIS.
I DON'T KNOW HOW TO MAKE IT CLEARER.
YOU HAVE TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT PERSONAL SECURITY.
>> IT IS THAT BAD? >> YEAH.
>> JULIA, IT IS REMINISCENT OF THE CAPITOL ATTACK AND RIOTERS
HUNTING FOR VICE PRESIDENT PENCE AND THEN LAST NIGHT HE CALLED
THE CURRENT PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES AN ENEMY OF THE
STATE AND CALLING OFFICIALS VICIOUS MONSTERS.
>> SO I LOOK AT WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH WHAT I CALL VIOLENT MA
MAGA-ISM. IT IS THE REMAINING SUPPORTERS
WHO SHOW UP AT THE RALLYS THAT ARE NOT IN FULL ATTENDANCE.
HE DOES NOT HAVE THE SOCIAL MEDIA PRESENCE HE ONCE DID.
BUT I THINK THE TRUTH IS THAT THIS IS -- THERE IS A SMALL PART
OF SUPPORTERS WHO DO SUPPORT VIOLENCE AND SEEM RECEPTIVE TO
IT. SO I LOOK AT THIS AS OTHER
VIOLENT MOVEMENTS. I THINK THE JANUARY 6 COMMITTEE
AS WELL AS BIDEN'S FOCUS ON THE SOUL OF THE NATION ASPECTS OF
THE SPEECH PROVIDE TO REPUBLICANS AN OFFRAMP FROM WHAT
TRUMP HAS BECOME WHICH IS SOMEONE WHO GOES AFTER THE FBI,
DOES NOT RESPECT THE PEACEFUL TRANSITION OF POWER, SUGGESTS IF
NOT DIRECTS VIOLENCE. I THINK THAT YOU SEE THE COUNTER
TO WHAT TRUMP USED TO DO AND I THINK SOME OF THE METRICS ARE
PRETTY GOOD IN THE SENSE OF VIEWING THIS AS DANGEROUS BUT
NOT GROWING AND IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER.
VIOLENT MOVEMENTS GROW ORR FIZZLE.
I THINK A GOAL OF RESPONSIBLE REPUBLICANS, BILL BARR AND
OTHERS THE OTHER DAY TO PUSH BACK AGAINST THE VIOLENCE.
IT IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO MAKE THIS STRAIN AT LEAST NOT AS
STRONG AS IT COULD BE. >> HERE'S WHAT REPUBLICAN
CONGRESSWOMAN CHENEY TWEETED TODAY.
TRUMP ATTACKING LAW ENFORCEMENT AND YET AGAIN USING LANGUAGE TO
PROVOKE VIOLENCE. ONLY ONE GROUP OF AMERICANS HAS
A CHANCE TO DIMINISH THIS DANGER.
REPUBLICANS IF THEY FAIL TO STEP UP THEY SHARE THE BLAME FOR ALL
THAT FOLLOWS. PHIL, YOU WORKED ON
RADICALIZATION FOR YEARS. WHAT WOULD BE THE AFFECT IF THEY
CONDEMNED THIS EXTREME RHETORIC? GRAHAM SAID THERE WILL BE
RIOTING IN THE STREETS IF TRUMP IS ARRESTED.
ISN'T IT BETTER TO TAMP DOWN WHAT DONALD TRUMP WAS DOING LAST
NIGHT? >> YEAH.
LET ME BE CLEAR HERE. I'M NOT AS COMFORTABLE OR
CONFIDENT AS SHE IS BECAUSE I THINK THE EVENT IS GOING TO THE
MIDTERM AND ELECTION CYCLE. THE CHALLENGE IS NOT JUST A
PERCENTAGE OF THE ELECT RAT THAT'S ANGRY BUT THE CHALLENGE
IS LEADERSHIP THAT VALIDATES PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE THAT VIOLENCE
IS OKAY. SO LET ME CUT TO THE CHASE.
WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT IS CANDIDATES.
YOU WOULD HAVE THOUGHT THIS IS BIZARRE.
CANDIDATES WILL BE ELECTED TO CONGRESS THAT SAY ELECTIONS WERE
STOLEN AND QUESTION THE FBI, THEY WILL HAVE THE MICROPHONES
AMPLIFIED ON TWITTER AS MEMBERS OF CONGRESS AND GOING INTO AN
ELECTION 2024 THEY WILL BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THOSE LIKE THE
JANUARY 6 PEOPLE WHO MIGHT SAY THE ELECTION WAS STOLEN.
I'M TYPICALLY A GLASS HALF FULL GUY.
MORE AMERICANS SAY WE ARE ROBBED AND ANGRY.
>> HOW DO YOU CHANGE THE MINDS? IS THIS A NATIONAL SECURITY
ISSUE? >> YES.
ABSOLUTELY. THE FBI IS CLEARLY STATED THAT
BOTH THE VIOLENT STREAM OF THIS MOVEMENT IS MOST DANGEROUS
THREAT TO LAW ENFORCEMENT AND TO THE AMERICAN SOCIETY AND
ELECTION WORKERS. I AGREE WITH PHIL.
I DON'T KNOW HOW THIS ENDS BUT I KNOW HOW YOU FIGHT IT.
WHAT WE ARE STARTING TO SEE I BELIEVE STARTING WITH THE
JANUARY 6 WITH THE FOCUS ON SORT OF OFF RAMPING OF MANY
REPUBLICANS FROM THIS MOVEMENT AND CONTINUING WITH PRESIDENT
BIDEN TRYING TO REACH OUT TO SAY THERE'S THE GOP AND THEN A LMTD
ALIGNING ITSELF AGAINST FBI AGENTS AND THE RULE OF LAW,
AGAINST THE PEACEFUL TRANSFER OF POWER AND THAT'S NOT YOU,
ESSENTIALLY. WHETHER IT WORKS OR NOT I DON'T
KNOW. TO THE EXTENT YOU FOCUS ON
VIOLENCE IS AN EXTENSION OF POLITICS WHAT TRUMP IS
DELIVERING NOW THERE IS A WAY TO COUNTER THAT AND IT BEGINS WITH
REPUBLICANS BUT IT BEGINS WITH PEOPLE NOT VOTING FOR IT AND I
THINK THAT'S THE CASE THAT CHENEY IS CLEARLY MAKING.
>> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> THANK YOU. >> WE APPRECIATE IT.