Kevin: So I've done a modified, ketosis kind of diet where, I
do very high-veggie, but also extremely high-fat and low-protein.
So I would do six to nine cups of veggies per day.
but always combining them with lots...like extreme amount of fat.
So a lot of coconut milk, like really dense coconut milk
Rhonda: with low sugar.
Kevin: Yeah.
But not the stuff that you see at, whole foods.
Like the stuff you see.
at Whole Foods is typically like, you know, the stuff in the tall boxes
and you go in there and it has like four or five grams of fat per, like
half cup to cup of coconut milk.
I get the like cooking coconut milk.
Do you know what I'm talking about?
Rhonda: Yeah, yeah.
Kevin: The really, really dense stuff that typically comes in a
can, you can get it on Amazon.
And that has 13 grams of fat, per cup...no, per half cup.
Darya: half cup. Yeah.
Kevin: Yeah.
So super, super fatty.
And then I would take all these steamed veggies that have been frozen,
and then put them in a blender, along with all that coconut fat.
and just blended up along with some coconut oil on top of that.
just to give a little bit more coconut flavor,
Darya: And like four blueberries.
Kevin: and then I would have that breakfast.
But that's like Way more carbs than you're supposed to have to keep you in ketosis,
because if you go more than 20 grams of carbs per day, they typically tell you to
stay under that, to stay in full ketosis.
But I was doing that per meal, 20 plus grams per meal,
Rhonda: Was this the same.
You were eating the same meal so it was just the blended.
Kevin: Exactly.
Rhonda: That's all you were eating?
Kevin: if you can combine it with
Darya: No, no, no. He was eating...
that was just his breakfast.
Rhonda: That was... Kevin: Just breakfast.
But if you combine it with that much fat, it slows down the digestion.
And then there wasn't that huge spike.
So I'd stay in ketosis.
If you combine it with the fat.
Rhonda: Did you test that Kevin: Yeah.
Absolutely.
Rhonda: So, you did it without the coconut milk.
and then coconut oil?
Kevin: Yeah, absolutely. Yeah.
And it kicks you out
without it.
Rhonda: Interesting.
what were the steamed vegetables you were
using?
Kevin: so I'd use kale, spinach, I'd use almost everything
like I, use sea vegetables.
gosh, what else did I use?
anything that I could find at the store,
Darya: Cucumbers. Kevin: chard, cucumber.
it wasn't really for flavor.
because all that stuff blended up just tastes nasty.
Darya: It's really gross.
Kevin: so it was just...when you add the coconut, you could cover
up most of it with the coconut.
And if you steam ahead of time, though, It actually turns the veggies into like ice
crystals, so you don't need to add ice.
So it kinda makes it a really...almost like ice cream-like thing the you
have every morning,
Darya: Green coconut ice cream.
Kevin: Green coconut ice cream. Rhonda: Okay.
So that was breakfast.
Kevin: Yeah. Throw some avocado in there as well.
Rhonda: Right.
Kevin: Any extra
fat that you can get in there?
Rhonda: Yeah.
I, make a smoothie somewhat similar to that.
I don't it's raw vegetables, chard, kale.
And then I do carrots, tomato, which are more high in sugar.
Kevin: I'm confused at why
you add banana to yours though.
Rhonda: I don't.
always, You know.
Kevin: Because I saw that on there, I was like sometimes I wouldn't...
Rhonda: originally I added it because I was adding a lot
of really nasty vegetables.
I was doing mustard greens.
I was doing kale.
Yeah.
I was doing, broccoli sprouts, which are really potent and
like disgusting in a smoothie.
And, you know, sometimes it helps with the, texture of it.
But I like the avocado now instead for the texture.
So I kind of occasionally put the banana and we share it.
So it's like half of a banana. Kevin: Yeah.
So, half a banana.
Yeah.
Rhonda: Yeah.
so then lunch, you're eating...
Kevin: Lunch is just full
on salad with as much fat added as possible.
Sometimes I know this isn't really good in that I try to stay away from processed
meats, but I would do bacon at the place on top of that to get a lot of fat.
and then just, you know, really high-fat dressings on top of that.
Mostly olive oil stuff like that.
Rhonda: Yeah. And then.
Kevin: and then dinner was just...dinner was a free for all.
Darya: Steak and veggies.
Kevin: It was like steak and veggies
Darya: Cheese, lots of cheese.
Kevin: You know, but grass-fed meats, things like that.
We're not going crazy and do anything industrial.
Darya: oh yeah, if you're eating that much fat, you have to eat.
high-quality fat. Rhonda: But you were doing it with him?
Were you?
Darya: I did a two-week experiment, which is totally not characteristic of me,
Rhonda: ketone bodies, and everything.
Darya: Yeah.
I did the stabbing, just because he was like, well, I've never
seen him with so much energy.
So that was one of the reasons he was doing this.
Kevin: I was in full on ketosis.
Darya: Waking up in the morning, like coming...going to work all
day, coming home, running 5Ks.
I was just like, who are you?
Kevin: It was really kinda crazy.
Darya: I've never had fatigue problems.
I'm generally really healthy and don't do diets ever.
But he was like...I'm like...He was like, you should know what this feels like.
And I was like, okay.
So I did a two-week experiment.
I felt pretty good for the most part I gotten to pretty high ketosis.
Kevin: You had One day where you were just like, I have insane energy.
Darya: I had one day where I had insane Energy.
Rhonda: So what were your ketone levels like when you're measuring them?
Kevin: Two and a half?
something like that, 2.5.
Darya: I got up over at almost three and a half once.
Kevin: Yeah. Yours were really high.
Darya: my blood sugar...that's the thing I already have pretty good
blood sugar control, you know, so for me it was not life-changing
I didn't lose a single pound.
I got really sick of butter.
But it was interesting.
yeah. Kevin: I found out tricks on how
to get myself back in pretty quick though.
So if you get kicked out it's sometimes really difficult to get back in.
Rhonda: Okay.
Kevin: it's, really hard to explain, but like, have you done any of the stuff?
yet? Rhonda: I have not.
Kevin: Okay.
So like basically what happens is, you know, I have to do a lot of entertaining
and events and things like that at night.
And so sometimes.
like, You have either more red wine than you should or things like that.
And that will kick you out of ketosis.
You'll go home at night.
and I'll measure myself I'm like 0.3 and I'm like, oh, I'm pulling out right now.
That's like, you know, anyone can be 0.3 if they just try it for
a few hours of not having sugar.
And so, you know, to get back in the next morning, I would fast a lot.
I've been big into
fasting,
Darya: Back in is like over
1.0, right?
Kevin: Yeah. over 1.0.
Darya: Yeah, Yeah.
Kevin: So I would just like...I would fast a lot and then I would
typically try...if I fast for 16 hours.
So I do a lot intermittent fasting as well.
then that would get me back in right away.
And especially if my breakfast was...I would do grass-fed butter with coffee.
kinda like Bulletproof coffee, but I don't like believe in all that modified
MCT stuff that he does, but I would just do straight up coconut oil with butter in
coffee, blend that up and drink it down.
And just have So much energy.
It's like the best thing ever in the morning.
It is insane.