I've invited a really good friend of mine
to share some of his strengths and expertise.
I'm talking about none other than Bishop T.D. Jakes,
whose joining us from Dallas, Texas.
Now he is a New York Times bestselling author
of Crushing, God Turns Pressure into Power.
Now Bishop T.D. Jakes has been a guest several times
and I know he can add helpful value and insight
to this discussion.
And he serves as senior pastor of The Potter House.
It is a global humanitarian organization
and 30,000 member church located in Dallas, Texas.
Bishop, how are you, my friend?
I'm doing great, Dr. Phil,
thank you for asking,
glad to be with you.
Well, I really appreciate you
taking the time to do it.
These are strange times we're in
and you've been listening
to everything we've talked about so far.
I've been saying to this family
that all their decisions,
all their behaviors,
take on added gravity during this difficult time
of this pandemic.
What have you been thinking about
as you've been hearing this conversation go on?
Well, I think what's going on in this family
is atypical to what's going on in a lot of families.
There are problems that families have beneath the surface
but our schedule kind of preempts a lot of it
from coming to the surface.
But when COVID-19 comes along
and forces us all into close quarters
where we can't get away,
things that were dormant begin to upsurge
and come to a head,
as my grandmother would say,
sometimes to a breaking point.
The interesting thing that's going on
in this house is interesting,
both Taylor, Gina and Desi
really want the same things.
Though she vacillates a little bit from it,
Taylor keeps talking about well,
I want to have my way
but I'm afraid that if I have my way,
I might wreck my life,
that little after clause I might wreck my life
is probably the more mature part.
And so when you start listening at what she's saying
she really doesn't want to wreck her life.
She may want more freedom,
but she doesn't really want to wreck her life.
And on that part,
both Gina and Desi also agree.
How we get to this point is very, very interesting
because there's a certain amount of resentment
that I think is existing in Taylor.
And I'd like to ask Taylor,
when she started talking to Desi
about not being her father,
her face changed.
It took on a different tenor,
or certain amount of pain,
not to say that Desi's not a great stepfather,
there may be some issues that preexisted
before he ever even stepped on the scene.
Taylor, how much of this is about your dad?
A lot of it is about my dad truthfully.
What happened between my father and I
and my father and the family
was like really, really, really hard
and I never got over it or really came to terms with it.
That's what I thought.
See, I don't see an angry child.
I see a hurt young lady
who is very, very hurt
and has chosen a way to act our her pain
by hurting other people
rather than to deal with the hurt that she has inside.
Because all of us go through crushings in our lives
and they either make you bitter or they make you better.
Right now, it's making you bitter.
It could make you better if you let it.
I want you as a young lady
to make a decision
that you're gonna face your pain,
deal with it as pain,
and not become the very thing that you hated.
Can you do that?
I can try as hard as I can.
Yeah, yeah.
So Gina, when we start talking about this
and Desi, we start talking about this sort of thing,
are you prepared to have the real conversations
that go deeper than her behavior
down to what's really hurting your daughter?
100%.