DEADLINE WHITE HOUSE WITH NICOLLE WALLACE STARTS RIGHT
NOW.
NOW. >> HI, EVERYONE.
IT’S 4:00 IN NEW YORK.
PAUL MANAFORT IS ABOUT TO SPEND
HIS FIRST NIGHT IN JAIL.
AND IT COULD BE THE FIRST OF
MANY.
MANY. A JUDGE SAYING TODAY THAT SHE
CANNOT TURN A BLIND EYE TO
CHARGES OF WITNESS TAMPERING
THAT OCCURRED AS RECENTLY AS
THIS APRIL.
THIS APRIL. QUOTE, THIS IS NOT MILLED
SCHOOL.
SCHOOL. I CAN’T TAKE AWAY HIS CELL
PHONE, THE JUDGE SAID.
IF I TELL HIM NOT TO CALL 56
WITNESSES, WILL HE CALL THE
57th?
57th? MANAFORT WILL REMAIN IN JAIL
THROUGH THINKS TRIAL IN
SEPTEMBER ON CHARGES OF MONEY
LAUNDERING AND CONSPIRACY.
THE PRESIDENT WEIGHED IN ON THIS
NEWS WITH A DEFENSIVE RANT.
WOW, WHAT A TOUGH SENTENCE FOR
PAUL MANAFORT, WHO HAS
REPRESENTED RON REAGAN, BOB
DOLE, AND MANY OTHER TOP LITTLE
PEOPLE IN CAMPAIGNS.
DIDN’T KNOW MANY OF THE WAS THE
HEAD OF THE MOB.
WHAT ABOUT COMEY, AND
CONTRADICTED HILLARY AND ALL OF
THE OTHERS?
THE OTHERS? VERY UNFAIR.
VERY UNFAIR. THE PRESIDENT DOESN’T SEEM TO
UNDERSTAND THAT PAUL MANAFORT
HASN’T BEEN CONVICTED OF OR
SENTENCED TO ANYTHING JUST YET.
HE’S GOING TO JAIL BECAUSE HE
APPARENTLY COULDN’T MAKE TO IT
TRIAL WITHOUT COMMITTING NEW
CRIMES.
CRIMES. TRUMP’S TWEETS KEEP COMING AS
QUESTIONS MOUNT OVER WHETHER
MANAFORT WILL FLIP AND COOPERATE
WITH MUELLER IN THE RUSSIA
INVESTIGATION.
INVESTIGATION. BUT THE PRESIDENT STARTED THE
DAY WITH NEARLY AN HOUR OF MEDIA
APPEARANCES.
APPEARANCES. HERE HE IS ON MANAFORT.
>> MANAFORT HAS NOTHING TO DO
WITH OUR CAMPAIGN.
I FEEL -- I TELL YOU A FEEL
BADLY ABOUT IT
THEY WENT BACK 12 YEARS TO GET
THING THAT HE DID 12 YEARS AGO.
PAUL MANAFORT WORKED FOR ME FOR
A VERY SHORT PERIOD OF TIME.
HE WORKED FOR ME FOR WHAT, 48
DAYS OR SOMETHING?
A VERY SHORT PERIOD OF TIME.
I FEEL BADLY FOR SOME PEOPLE
BECAUSE THEY HAVE GONE BACK 12
YEARS TO FIND THING ABOUT
SOMEBODY.
SOMEBODY. >> ONCE AGAIN, THE PRESIDENT HAS
HIS FACTS WRONG.
MANAFORT WORKED ATOP THE TRUMP
CAMPAIGN FOR ABOUT A HUNDRED
DAYS LONGER THAN TRUMP CLAIMING.
THE ALLEGED CRIMES THAT PUT HIM
BEHIND BARS WERE COMMITTED
WEEKS, NOT YEARS AGO.
FROM THE "WASHINGTON POST,"
WHITE HOUSE BUREAU CHIEF FILL
RUT GER JOINS US.
HARRY LITMAN.
HARRY LITMAN. PAUL BUTLER, A FORMER FEDERAL
PROSECUTOR.
PROSECUTOR. AND JOHN HILEMON IS BACK.
LET ME START WITH YOU, PHIL
RUCKER.
RUCKER. QUITE A DISPLAY A SPECTACLE IS
THE WORD THAT COMES TO MIND.
>> YEAH.
>> YEAH. >> THE PRESIDENT HOLDING COURT
ON EVERYTHING.
ON EVERYTHING. BUT REALLY, I WANT TO SHOW YOU
SOMETHING HE SAID ABOUT ANDREW
WEISMANN ONE OF THE PROSECUTORS
WHO I BELIEVE HAS HIS NAME ON
ALL THE CHARGING DOCUMENTS AS
THEY PERTAIN TO PAUL MANAFORT.
PRESIDENT TRUMP MAY HAVE KNOWN
THIS WAS COMING.
LET’S WATCH.
LET’S WATCH. >> THE PROBLEM WITH THE MUELLER
INVESTIGATION IS EVERYBODY HAS
MASSIVE CONFLICTS.
MASSIVE CONFLICTS. YOU HAVE WEISMANN WHO WAS AT
HILLARY CLINTON’S FUNERAL,
MEANING HER PARTY, THAT TURNED
INTO A FUNERAL.
AND THEY WERE SCREAMING AND
CRY -- THEY WERE GOING CRAZY.
HOW CAN YOU HAVE PEOPLE LIKE
THIS -- I ALL THE THEM THE 13
ANGRY DEMOCRATS.
ANGRY DEMOCRATS. YOU HAVE A TREMENDOUS ANIMOSITY.
>> TREMENDOUS ANIMOSITY.
THAT’S WHAT HE CHALKS EVERYTHING
UP TO, FACTS BE DAMNED?
>> >> THAT’S RIGHT.
IT FITS A PATTERN FROM DONALD
TRUMP, PRESIDENT TRUMP, OVER THE
LAST SEVERAL WEEKS ALONG WITH
RUDY GIULIANI, HIS ATTORNEY, TO
TRY TO MAKE THIS INVESTIGATION
SEEM PARTISAN, TO TALK ABOUT THE
13 ANGRY DEMOCRATS, WHICH IS A
TERM HE USES OVER AND OVER AGAIN
ON TWITTER TO REALLY DISCREDIT
WHAT MUELLER IS DOING AND
DISCREDIT SOME OF THESE CHARGES.
YOU KNOW, NOW WE HAVE SOMEBODY
FOR THE FIRST TIME GOING TO JAIL
OVER ALL OF THIS.
THAT’S VERY REAL I THINK IT’S
QUITE FRIGHTENING TO PEOPLE
AROUND THE PRESIDENT.
I KNOW IT IS.
IT PROBABLY IS TO THE PRESIDENT
AS WELL.
AS WELL. SO HE’S TRYING TO, YOU KNOW,
BASICALLY BE THE REFEREE HERE
AND SAY THIS IS UNFAIR.
IT’S TAINTED.
IT’S TAINTED. IT’S PARTISAN.
IT’S PARTISAN. IT IS A POLITICAL WITCH-HUNT.
BUT IT’S A REAL INVESTIGATION,
AND IT’S SERIOUS.
AND THE ACTIONS TODAY TELL YOU
HOW SERIOUS IT IS.
>> HARRY WILL ITMAN LET ME READ
YOU RUDY GIULIANI’S QUOTE TO THE
NEW YORK DILY NEWS TODAY.
QUOTE, WHEN THIS WHOLE THING IS
OVER THINGS MIGHT GET CLEANED UP
WITH SOME PRESIDENTIAL PARDONS.
THERE IS A PATTERN HERE WITH
PARDONS.
PARDONS. I WANT TO ASK YOU WHAT THAT
LOOKS LIKE TO INVESTIGATORS.
"NEW YORK TIMES" REPORTING THAT
TRUMP’S THEN LAWYER, JOHN DOWD,
HAD RAISED THE PROSPECT OF
PARDONS FOR FLYNN AND MANY OF
THE THE SUMMER BEFORE THEY WERE
CHARGED BY BOB MUELLER.
AND I WONDER WHAT ALL THIS TALK
OF PARDONS LOOKS LIKE ON THE DAY
THAT THE PRESIDENT’S FORMER
CAMPAIGN CHAIRMAN GOES TO JAIL.
>> WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE IS MORE
OBSTRUCTION, ALTHOUGH
OBSTRUCTION, ALTHOUGH OBSTRUCTION THAT DOES PARTAKE OF
A VERY TRICKY CONSTITUTIONAL
LEGAL QUESTION.
LEGAL QUESTION. SO FOR PROSECUTORS, THEY SEE IT
AS MORE ATTEMPT TO JUST -- NOT
JUST SCUDDLE THE POSSIBLE
PROSECUTION BUT ACTUALLY
TELEGRAPH TO WITNESSES, IN SOME
WAYS EACH MORE OFFENSIVE TO JUST
SIT TYKE, DON’T TALK, DON’T
COOPERATE, IT WILL ALL BE GOOD
AT THE END OF THE DAY.
THERE IS A LOT OF REASON TO
THINK THAT THAT IS A FLATLY
UNCONSTITUTIONAL USE OF THE
PARDON POWER.
PARDON POWER. BUT IT’S A QUESTION THAT
ACTUALLY HASN’T BEEN LITIGATED
AND WOULD PUT MUELLER AND
COMPANY INTO TRICKY LEGAL
TERRITORY.
TERRITORY. BUT THEY CERTAINLY SEE IT AS
MORE ATTEMPTS TO JUST FLAGRANTLY
THROW A WRENCH INTO THE
PROSECUTION.
PROSECUTION. >> I WANT TO GO INTO SOME OF THE
SUBSTANCE WITH YOU, JOHN
HILEMON.
HILEMON. THE PRESIDENT ALSO WEIGHING IN
ON ONE OF THE FLASH POINTS IN
THE OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE
INVESTIGATION, TALKING ABOUT --
HE WAS PRESSED ON WHETHER OR NOT
HE DICTATED THAT STATEMENT THAT
WAS CRAFTED ABOARD AIR FORCE
ONE.
ONE. WE KNOW THAT EVERYONE INVOLVED
HAS BEEN OF INTEREST TO BOB
MUELLER AND HIS OBSTRUCTION OF
JUSTICE INQUIRY.
JUSTICE INQUIRY. IT WAS ON THAT FLIGHT WHERE THEY
CRAFTED A STATEMENT FOR DON JR.
IT WAS THE FLASH POINT OVER
WHICH MARK CORALLO, THE SPOKE
PERSON FOR THE LEGAL TEAM QUIT
BECAUSE HE THOUGHT HE WAS
WATCHING OBSTRUCTION --
>>?
>>? REAL TIME.
REAL TIME. >> LET’S WATCH THE PRESIDENT TRY
TO EXPLAIN THAT.
>> DON JR.
DID YOU DICTATE THE STATEMENT
ABOUT DONALD TRUMP JR.?
>> LET’S NOT TALK ABOUT THAT.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT IS?
IT IS IRRELEVANT.
A STATEMENT TO THE "NEW YORK
TIMES."
TIMES." THE PHONY FILING "NEW YORK
TIMES."
TIMES." >> CLEAR IT UP.
>> THAT’S NOT A STATEMENT TO A
HIGH TRIBUNAL OF JUDGES.
THAT’S A STATEMENT TO THE PHONY
"NEW YORK TIMES."
FRANKLY, HE SHOULDN’T EVEN SPEAK
TO THE "NEW YORK TIMES" BECAUSE
THEY ONLY WRITE PHONY STORIES
ANYWAY.
ANYWAY. ALTHOUGH YESTERDAY THEY WROTE A
NICE STORY.
NICE STORY. >> I DON’T KNOW.
I HAVE QUESTION TO FORMULATE.
JUST GO.
JUST GO. >> I MEAN, SO MANY THING TO LOOK
AT THERE.
AT THERE. OBVIOUSLY, THAT IS JUST -- THE
SIMPLE PLAIN TRUTH OF IT IS
THAT’S A QUESTION HE DIDN’T WANT
TO ANSWER AND DIDN’T COME CLOSE
TO ANSWER IN ANY WAY.
ALL HE DID WAS OBJECT FEW SKATE,
TURN ON THE FOG MACHINE, AND SAY
NEXT QUESTION, RIGHT, WHILE
THROWING A FEW ELBOWS AT THE
"NEW YORK TIMES."
>> RIGHT.
>> RIGHT. >> IF YOU TRY TO PARS IT IN
LOGICAL TERMS HIS ARGUMENT WOULD
BE SOMETHING LIKE THE "NEW YORK
TIMES" IS FAKE NEWS SO IT’S
OKAFOR ME TO LIE TO THE "NEW
YORK TIMES."
YORK TIMES." WHICH IS OBVIOUSLY RIDICULOUS.
>> LET’S GO THROUGH IT.
>> THERE IS THAT, OBVIOUSLY
RIDICULOUS.
RIDICULOUS. ALSO, AS WE ALL KNOW, WHEN THE
PRESIDENT, OR ONE OF THE
PRESIDENT’S CHILDREN IN THE MILL
OF A INVESTIGATION LIKE THIS
ISSUES ANY STATEMENT, IT IS TO
ALL OF US, NOT TO CNN OR THE
IMS.
IMS. >>.
>>. YOU ARE MAKING A PUBLIC
STATEMENT FROM THE OFFICE OF THE
PRESIDENCY OR FROM ONE OF THE
CHILDREN OF THE PRESIDENT.
AS IT HAPPENS, THE PRESIDENT IS
INVOLVED IN OF THE CONTRACTING
IT.
IT. HE IS MAKING AN OFFICIAL
STATEMENT ON BEHALF OF THE
PRESIDENT OF THE NADS TO ALL
AMERICANS.
AMERICANS. EVEN IF YOU TOOK THE FIRST
ARGUMENT, OBVIOUSLY HE WAS JUST
TRYING TO GET OUT OF THE
QUESTION, IT WOULD BE -- IF YOU
DIDN’T CONSIDER IT RIDICULOUS,
IT WOULD BE IRRELEVANT TO THE
REAL QUESTION WHICH IS THIS IS
THE PUBLIC STATEMENT TO THE
AMERICAN PEOPLE.
AMERICAN PEOPLE. YOU CANNOT LIE IN THE I WILL IN
OF AN INVESTIGATION TO THE
AMERICAN PEOPLE AND TO THE
PROSECUTORS WHO ARE PART OF THE
AMERICAN PEOPLE.
AMERICAN PEOPLE. >> RIGHT.
>> RIGHT. I GUESS PART OF THE ANSWER THAT
I THOUGHT WAS SO INTERESTING IS
THAT’S NOT A STATEMENT TO A HIGH
TRUE
TRUE TRIBUNAL OF JUDGES.
BOB MUELLER IS AN INVESTIGATOR
LOOKING INTO THE CRAFTING OF THE
STATEMENT AND WHETHER OR NOT IT
WAS AN OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE.
>> IT SEEMS LIKE HE WAS TRYING
TO SAY I WAS NOT UNDER -- WHO
KNOWS WHAT DONALD TRUMP IS EVER
TRYING TO SAY.
BUT TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE
IT SEEMS LIKE HE IS TRYING TO
SAY I AM NOT UNDER OATH WHEN I
SPEAK TO THE PRESS.
WE HAVE NOTED ON THIS SHOW IN
OTHER OCCASIONS THAT IT IS NOT A
CRIME TO LIE TO THE PRESS.
IF IT WAS, EVERY PRESIDENT IN
OUR LIFETIME WOULD HAVE GONE TO
JAIL.
JAIL. BUT IT IS THE CASE THEN IN THE
MILLED OF AN ONGOING
INVESTIGATION WHEN YOU ARE
MAKING PUBLIC STATEMENTS FROM
THE OFFICE OF THE PRESIDENCY,
YOU ARE NOT ENTERING THINGS THAT
WILL BECOME PART OF COURT RECORD
OR PART OF THE POLITICAL RECORD.
SO IT’S RIDICULOUS ON 25 LEVELS,
BASICALLY.
BASICALLY. >> IT’S ALSO WHERE SCOOTER LIBBY
ENDED UP BEING CHARGED WITH
OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE AND
PERJURY BECAUSE HE LIED TO THE
DEPUTY OF JUSTICE ABOUT
CONVERSATIONS WITH REPORTERS.
THERE IS A LOT OF PEOPLE WHERE