everybody welcome to what the Flex discussion of homeland season 3 episode
3 tower David
then make with Alonso turajlic a we hope next week to have a my cousin John Mack
which is right on how to start back here
on and he is a very interesting theory about homeland which will get you
nowhere
this was a significant departure episode
I in that we didn't see the one seen at the CIA withdrew whole reason I watched
a fuckin show
I I didn't hate this episode not all
but nonetheless II I fear that
maybe they don't crash what's great about the show
and I think what's great about the show at least for me isn't
what happens to Brody or brody's character development
but it is the working for the CIA and
I i think that if this be another in season three that were invested in these
characters
and so i think you can get away with an episode that's pretty much about
just the characters and catching us up to them I am
I i really I just don't I don't II I don't want to be a trend
like I i doubt they'll ever do it again or the doing any time soon you know I
add that this is one of those episodes like
like like fly on the on Breaking Bad resort-like
let's get caught up but at the same time let's try and do something interesting
with that
I think for example if you were teaching
TV writing to people I and you want to show
how to do parallel AB stories yeah this will be up so yeah shown
get out it to where you got your two major characters that are in similar
Straits be completely different and like you know how they reach coping with
whatever
this is incidentally the last episode credited to Henry Brummel
I like Yahoo was one of the main voice is the show who passed away last year
I or the show every and any way arm so
EB went out with a bang I mean this is a really strong episode i think im and I
think it's
structurally really fascinating You're review wanna look at it from the point
of view
yeah I mean I know there's some already people at least you know again
Twitter's not a cross-section anything at the crime I it's a cross-sectional
Twitter
right on and I know there was some criticism on the up so there because
that it's one of those episodes where
very little happened room bob I mean we saw
you know there was some violence but they were violence to people who we just
met
and then they're gone on they shut up bro do with heroin come on they did
shoot up Brody with their own and then he chose to
each others to do it himself you'd over the parallel park you know again I
I had a slight groan moment at the end because they done such an effective job
showing Carrie and Brody in need parallel circumstances
both trapped in their own presence right I
I N is all on the nose I ate at like the land in just the last shot a carry like
brody on the floor we don't need to see Carrie
also on the floor like her or that he growth for the heroin and she
reaches for the lithium you know it's alright okay I did you get the idea but
rightly dharti
yeah we got it we got we are we are unable to find a point on a regular it
was it was already well done
and and it was of course we needed to see what happened to Brody I mean I
actually
I don't feel like I need to see what happens brody I would
I would say I would have I'm a curious I would love to be part of summer the
discussions here
among the showrunners like there had to be some thought
be there was not to let Brody go like
like to turn it over to a new case shows mostly about Carrie
mom and the CIA and because if they force it to how it relates back to Brody
has brody can't possibly be part of any other
terrorist plot now I mean 8 seems like that would be
such a ridiculous I guess or I mean unless it becomes a thing where he
gets to be be a hero somehow right now what is rather Jerry run
but number so with no Sol no call and and no door at all
he's not was not an episode that I wanna see much about I'm
interested in in that component waiver that we had to pull a besos with no
brody whatsoever I got I got so I you know
idea catching up and I like again I like this that was dramatic
I always liked Sopranos episodes where a everyone afterwards would be like about
a girl pleaded guilty buddy their
your building you're allowed to be exactly killing every episode eventually
had to me tell me to the problem with these
we doing these recaps not just us but the people in general recapping each
episode of a TV show is that it's just the chapter
you know the the whole season as a whole aren't going on
and we're nit-picking about this specific moment I'll you know
right except I think the crew the the answer to that is then you're
criticizing every book club that ever existed
there's a book club about hallway like we get together with the book love the
meat into you read the whole book
I thought no you read it in bed supper clubs meet as they have never heard
I the usual we can't I
anyone here I Hawai'i
I okay i right I
you know I've never been in a book club so I don't like about but that's my
impression by the way that would be a good book club
to talk about after I guess you know warm whatever 100 pages by under
yet chapter by chapter you have to me like every four minutes
um okay so maybe our auto I would be the first time
but so here's john maker which is theories mccartney's a
long time serious TV writer writer on house cards now
he thinks that's and I didn't occur to me he thinks that
at that a the dot Morgan sailors
relationship with her daughter Dana yeah you think the game is relationship
with the other guy in the home Leo I believe his name
I is part of the spotlight that Leo
is a CIA agent perhaps this is one
Sat to befriend wanna so that he is a
American a blackmailer with the sex photos something but anyway is just
getting close door is a pipeline
mmm to the Father maybe may be growing or
now that we've had this other wrinkle thrown in maybe
this records who approached carry right is that a foreign government
it at a is that another is that you know what we know about the black ops inside
the CIA is that another part of the CIHR whose approaching carried Albert not
just a law firm looking to get a good client
you know or maybe it's from Pretty Lights maybe it right maybe it's
somebody related to the the Senate also gave a congressional investigation
are all interesting theories but as soon as John
made that point to me that because he said from a writing point of view
you probably wouldn't just have a plot about the kid
rebelling and finding love if it
I Yahoo were gonna come home in some way
relating to the a story and I like that idea because their course
it's plausible there would be value in that that's the kind of thing
hideous people door I would do
driven the whole relationship with the vice president's on obviously played in
the larger story last year of possessing the vice president them
you know keeping things hush-hush in all that stuff so
even that was my favorite supply on the show it did at least a very elite circle
back to
having something to do with the grown-ups and back i'd like and that kid
who are
who my cousin also thought like wondered
is that could get a to like he thought initially there was no chance there's
gonna be a romantic you know that kid was gay
at the national debt with the Pittsburgh AP aged who like just willing to do its
job of course in
at it's the truth that behavior I don't know what makes /img /a
good hair in Marion oh this is about yeah i i would tell you that doesn't
on its own make you can be clearly understands now we're not for me
I thought so but anyway I like
the idea because that kid could also be
like the agent that kid he could be 18 you could be 27th you know
I he began over 21 Jump Street right only area so I'm intrigued by that and
I'm anxious now
whereas I didn't so much although I thought that was an exquisite scene
between them
from a I'm now anxious to get back to that in a way that I wasn't worth I
on because John planted that in my head alright
some what do you think where do you think
we're headed you think we're proud I was here at done with
with brody yeah you know rockers but didn't forget dropping can rely heavily
on his way we don't know why I presume they'll be some back story there yeah he
ended up in
in Venezuela through Columbia or at least through columbians
right true well I'm shot him twice yes
yes I clearly he is gonna be riding that horse for least a couple episodes
from so that we get the great sweaty detox episode for it later in the season
I'm sure
at them like a parade yaa I
so that's happening and then I I think
again it's interesting to watch I E
a a carry
Sourav turn on the
here's the same version of me that you want to see when she's trying to get
something
and then as soon as good as I going to she just the middle ear hurts the realm
of my
you know yeah II she's she's she's exquisite
me she's just Claire Danes is just so enormously talented like you see it
in moment by moment I had a few people can move their
can can make their face yeah I do so many different things totally I think
the fact that she's she's going
for the lithium that I think you want to try and get out legitimately
even if she goes back up the meds when she's on her own again about you know
she just doesn't wanna go home
should yes what time she doesn't want bro have to rely on whatever shady
dealings
I guess is gonna be martin donovan next week who is going to be offering her
right
as a way out because the clearly solve not the one who's been coming by to
visit and doesn't care
rather was gonna be Quinn I did too I yeah I could not be with the one who was
on our side
but it wasn't there was this nefarious other organization I
and I would you know who carry thinks is a
a clearly thinks is another country yeah
I am and I don't know whether that's going to be the case but I guess highly
possible that the case
it could be yeah I mean it could be two years the the sort of shady
you know boom a US lawyer for some you know for
some Libyan interest her whatever who don't want but it's
that was my favorite part of the show this episode in the that's because it's
just a
again a plausible sort of interesting level intrigue
right the other thing we don't know which is on sex and carry saying look
a baller borman my worst place this is this is what I do I go to me right yes
but only read the situation which is great
a quick shout out to Beth Cole who plays Abby the nurse she was on a very funny
a web series called Jack in a box that one in the yard with another wave Emmys
for web series are turned over they do
the so you haven't seen that check it out on you too I like that character too
because I'd like
a nurse who isn't a stereotypical nurse nurse ratchet
yeah I mean she wishes she was kind she's interested she'll I can tell
carries troubled right but that doesn't mean just get to talk to anybody in the
outside world
writer I'm prepared you know if she's willing to risk your job because it's
the right sort of thing to do and I i like that character very much
I'm curious what carries up to on and what her plan is I'm when I such
I I'd be just wanna go home she wants to get out but it's not so she can go home
and chill out
yeah sure that she has an agenda exactly and I think also she probably feel the
curb her sister and father betrayed her that hearing so
she probably was only like them either I mean everyone a traitor
yeah which is tough when you're paranoid no exact I have not helping your
have everyone actually betrayer but
I like this happens I think I in many ways I like the best just
it keeps worrying me a little as I said that they don't know
I there what makes a great plenty of Langley next week and he's running late
I'm for a bit i right everybody so will be back
next week we're with we hope a bigger a bigger cannot that a lot on IR
but the guy who knows what is she talking about map