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>>> I THINK MAYBE YOU DO BOTH.
I THINK YOU MIGHT WANT TO
LISTEN.
LISTEN. THERE’S NOTHING WRONG WITH
LISTENING.
LISTENING. IF SOMEBODY CALLED FROM A
COUNTRY, NORWAY, WE HAVE
INFORMATION ON YOUR OPPONENT.
OH.
OH. I THINK I WOULD WANT TO HEAR IT.
>> DO YOU WANT THAT KIND OF
INTERFERENCE IN THE ELECTIONS?
>> THEY HAVE INFORMATION.
I THINK I WOULD TAKE IT.
>> TRUMP WELCOMING THE POTENTIAL
CRIME OF COLLUSION IN ECHOING
HIS SON DONALD TRUMP JR.’S
ACTUAL RESPONSE, OF COURSE, TO
THAT INFAMOUS EMAIL FROM A
RUSSIAN INTERMEDIARY.
RUSSIAN INTERMEDIARY. PROMISED THE DIRT.
HE SAID I LOVE IT.
THE STORY WAS THAT DON JR.
DIDN’T KNOW THE RULES.
A CLUELESS DEFENSE.
IN MUELLER’S REPORT, WE LEARNED
IT WOULD BE HARD TO PROVE BEYOND
A REASONABLE DOUBT THAT THE
PEOPLE IN THE TRUMP TOWER
MEETING HAD THE KIND OF
KNOWLEDGE THAT THEIR CONDUCT WAS
UNLAWFUL.
UNLAWFUL. THAT’S A FAIR OR EVEN CHARITABLE
READING OF THEIR CLUELESS
DEFENSE.
DEFENSE. BUT WILL IT WORK NOW?
BECAUSE IF YOU HAVEN’T BEEN
WATCHING THE NEWS, AND I THINK
YOU ARE WATCHING THE NEWS, YOU
KNOW THAT EVERYONE HAS HEARD
ABOUT THE FACT THAT YOU CAN’T
TAKE THESE THINGS OF VALUE.
IT IS ILLEGAL.
THE PRESIDENT KNOWS THAT.
ATTORNEY GENERAL BARR LAST
MONTH.
MONTH. TAKE A LOOK.
>> WHAT IF A FOREIGN ADVERSARY,
LET’S SAY NORTH KOREA, OFFERS A
PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE DIRT ON A
COMPETITOR IN 2020.
DO YOU AGREE NEVER CAMPAIGN
SHOULD IMMEDIATELY CONTACT THE
FBI?
FBI? IF A FOREIGN INTELLIGENCE
SERVICE, A REPRESENTATIVE OF A
FOREIGN GOVERNMENT, SAYS WE HAVE
DIRT ON YOUR OPPONENT, SHOULD
THEY SAY I LOVE IT, LET’S MEET?
OR CONTACT THE FBI?
>> IF A FOREIGN INTELLIGENCE
SERVICE DOES, YES.
>> YES.
>> YES. THAT’S DONALD TRUMP’S ATTORNEY
GENERAL.
GENERAL. WE KNOW THAT DONALD TRUMP KNOWS
ABOUT THIS BECAUSE IN THIS
INTERVIEW THAT’S GIVING HIM SO
MUCH HEARTBURN HE MADE A POINT
TO SAY, HE WOULD ALSO OVERRULE
HIS OWN FBI DIRECTOR.
>> IF ANY PUBLIC OFFICIAL OR ANY
MEMBER OF ANY CAMPAIGN IS
CONTACTED BY ANY NATION STATE OR
ANYBODY ACTING ON BEHALF OF A
NATION STATE ABOUT INFLUENCING
OR INTERFERING WITH OUR
ELECTION, THEN THAT’S SOMETHING
THE FBI WOULD WANT TO KNOW
ABOUT.
ABOUT. >> LET ME CALL THE FBI.
GIVE ME A BREAK.
>> THE FBI DIRECTOR SAYS THAT’S
WHAT SHOULD HAPPEN.
>> THE FBI DIRECTOR IS WRONG.
>> THE FBI DIRECTOR IS RIGHT.
NOT ONLY IS THIS, YOU MAY HAVE
HEARD ABOUT THIS.
TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT HAPPENED IN
THE 2000 ELECTION.
TOM DOWNEY RECEIVED A PACKAGE OF
MATERIALS WEDNESDAY COULD NOT
DETAINING NOTES AND A VIDEOTAPE.
GORE ADVISERS SAY DOWNEY
REALIZING HE SHOULDN’T HAVE THE
MATERIAL, IMMEDIATELY TURNED IT
OVER TO HIS LAWYER WHO IN TURN
PASSED IT ON TO THE FBI.
>> FORMER CONGRESSMAN DOWNEY IS
HERE TO DISCUSS IT EXCLUSIVELY.
FOR MORE CONTEXT, GORE WAS NOT
THE VICTOR AFTER THE SUPREME
COURT RESOLVED ONE OF THE
CLOSEST ELECTIONS IN HISTORY.
BUT DOWNEY SAYS HE WAS, OF
COURSE, DOING WHAT HE UNDERSTOOD
TO BE THE LAWFUL REQUIREMENT AND
THE RIGHT THING.
THIS WAS A POINT THAT SPEAKER
PELOSI RAISED JUST TODAY.
>> THERE IS A SENSE OF D.C.
ENSBI FRUIT FROM THE FORBIDDEN
TREE.
TREE. ILL GOTTEN GAIN.
>> AGORE ADVISER TOM DOWN 3 IS
HERE WITH ME NOW.
THANKS FOR COMING ON "THE BEAT"
ABOUT THIS.
ABOUT THIS. >> YOU ARE NOW A FASCINATING
FOOTNOTE.
FOOTNOTE. NEWLY UNEARTHED ON THE NEWS IN
THIS STORY.
THIS STORY. YOU’VE DONE MANY THINGS IN YOUR
LIFE BUT ON THIS STORY, WALK US
THROUGH WHY YOU MADE THE
DECISION.
DECISION. HOW QUICKLY YOU CALLED THE FBI.
>> THE FACT IS IT WAS QUITE
CLEAR TO ME WHEN I SAW THE
DEBATE MATERIALS, AND THE VIDEO,
THAT THIS WAS BUSH CAMPAIGN
MATERIAL THAT I SHOULD NOT HAVE.
AND I CALLED MY LAWYER.
WE TALKED ABOUT WHAT WE WOULD DO
WITH IT.
WITH IT. WE TURNED IT OVER IMMEDIATELY.
HE TURNED IT OVER TO THE FBI.
THEY CAME AND INTERVIEWED ME
THAT DAY.
THAT DAY. I HAD TO EXPLAIN WHAT THE CRIME
WAS TO THE FBI.
>> THEY CAME OUT HOW SOON?
>> THAT AFTERNOON.
FOUR HOURS.
FOUR HOURS. >> SO THIS MIGHT BE CRIMINAL
BECAUSE IT COULD BE STOLEN AT A
MINIMUM TO HELP ANOTHER SIDE.
AND YOU CALLED THE AUTHORITIES
AND THEIR REACTION IS, THIS IS
IMPORTANT.
IMPORTANT. THEY COME OUT SAME DAY.
>> CORRECT.
>> CORRECT. AND NOT ONLY THAT.
LOUIE FREEH BECAME THE AGENT OF
RECORD.
RECORD. >> SO THEN WHAT?
>> NOT ONLY DID I HAVE TO TURN
IT OVER, BUT THEN I HAD TO
RECUSE MYSELF FROM ANY FURTHER
CAMPAIGN ACTIVITY.
CAMPAIGN ACTIVITY. IT WAS CLEAR TO ME THAT NO ONE
WOULD BELIEVE THAT I HAD NOT
READ THE MATERIAL OR WATCHED THE
VIDEO.
VIDEO. SO TO MAKE SURE THAT WE MADE A
CLEAN BREAK OF THIS, SO THAT
THERE COULD BE A FREE AND FAIR
AND HONEST DEBATE, I DID NOT
PARTICIPATE IN THE CAMPAIGN
AFTER THAT.
AFTER THAT. >> LET’S TAKE LOOK AT THAT,
ACTUALLY.
ACTUALLY. WE READ WHAT YOU SAID AT THE
TIME.
TIME. PEOPLE ARE CYNICAL ABOUT THE
POLITICAL PROCESS.
POLITICAL PROCESS. I HAPPEN TO BELIEVE IT IS A
NOBLE AND HONORABLE PROFESSION.
IF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE TO
BELIEVE THAT, WE MUST ACT
HONORABLY AND THAT’S WHAT I
TRIED TO DO HERE.
SO TO PUT YOU IN THE STRIKE
ZONE, MIDDLE OF THE PLATE, BALL
DOWN THE FIELD QUESTION.
HOW DOES WHAT YOU DID IN THAT
MOMENT DIFFER FROM WHAT THE
PRESIDENT SAYS HE WANTS IN 2020.
>> YEAH.
>> YEAH. WELL THE PRESIDENT IS PLAYING BY
A DIFFERENT SET OF BASEBALL
RULES.
RULES. IF HE WERE PITCHING AND HE HIT
YOU, YOU WOULD BE OUT.
THE FACT IS THAT’S NOT HOW WE
PLAY BASEBALL AND THAT’S NOT HOW
A PRESIDENT SHOULD GOVERN.
AS THE COMMANDER IN CHIEF, HE
SHOULD SET AN EXAMPLE.
NOT BE PREPARED TO WIN AT ANY
COST.
COST. ALLOW FOREIGN ENTITIES TO
INFLUENCE A CAMPAIGN.
IT IS SHOCKING AS STEVE ISRAEL
SAID IN THE EARLIER SEGMENT.
IT IS BOTH LEAVE AND IMMORAL.
>> YOU PUT IT SO STARKLY.
LET’S LISTEN TO THE OTHER TIME
THIS CAME UP WHEN JARED KUSHNER
STRUGGLED WITH A VERY SIMILAR
QUESTION ABOUT WHAT YOU JUST
SAID WAS A MORAL OBLIGATION, AS
WELL AS A LEGAL ONE.
>> MY QUESTION TO YOU IS, WHY
DIDN’T YOU PICK UP THE PHONE AND
CALL THE FBI?
IT WAS AN MOTOR VEHICLE THAT
SAID THE RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT WAS
TRYING TO HELP.
WHY DIDN’T YOU DO THAT?
>> WE’RE IN A PLACE NOW WHERE
PEOPLE ARE PLAYING MONDAY
MORNING QUARTERBACK AND BEING SO
SELF-RIGHTEOUS.
SELF-RIGHTEOUS. HAD THERE BEEN SOMETHING
NEFARIOUS THAT CAME UP, MAYBE WE
WOULD HAVE DONE SOMETHING
DIFFERENT.
DIFFERENT. THE REALITY IS THAT IT WAS A
TOTAL WASTE OF TIME.
>> WOULD YOU CALL THE FBI IF IT
HAPPENED AGAIN?
HAPPENED AGAIN? >> I DON’T KNOW.
IT IS HARD TO DO HYPOTHETICALS.
WE WERE NOT GIVEN ANYTHING THAT
WAS SALACIOUS.
WAS SALACIOUS. >> I DON’T KNOW HOW HARD
HYPOTHETICALS ARE.
HYPOTHETICALS ARE. HE WENT TO A PRETTY GOOD LAW
SCHOOL.
SCHOOL. WHEN YOU SEE THE PRESIDENT’S
COMMENTS, DO YOU THINK THIS IS
NOT JUST IGNORANCE OR WILLFUL
BLINDNESS BUT SOMETHING
SINISTER?
SINISTER? OR ARE YOU NOT PREPARED TO GO
THAT FAR?
THAT FAR? >> IN THE PRESIDENT’S CASE,
PELOSI SAID TODAY THAT HE
DOESN’T HAVE THE CAPACITY TO
UNDERSTAND RIGHT AND WRONG AND I
BELIEVE THAT’S TRUE.
IN JARED KUSHNER’S CASE, THE
IDEA THAT YOU’RE NAIVETE WOULD
ALLOW TO YOU IGNORE WHAT IS LAW
AND PRECEDENT.
AND PRECEDENT. ANY TIME YOU TAKE AN IMPORTANT
MEETING IN A CAMPAIGN, THERE ARE
LAWYERS THERE TO EXPLAIN TO YOU
WHAT IS LEGAL AND WHAT IS NOT.
EITHER THEY DIDN’T AVAIL
THEMSELVES OF THAT TALENT, OR
THEY IGNORED IT.
IN EITHER CASE, IT IS
UNACCEPTABLE BEHAVIOR.
UNACCEPTABLE BEHAVIOR. >> THESE ARE FOLKS WHO WORKED
WITH A LOT OF LAWYERS.
TRUMP IS NOTHING IF NOT KNOWN
FOR LITIGATION.
FOR LITIGATION. KUSHNER IS A LAWYER HIMSELF.
CONGRESSMAN, HAVING LIVED
THROUGH THIS IN AN EERIE ECHO OF
SOME OF THIS, THE PRESIDENT SAYS
THAT’S NOT HOW IT WORKS.