Shri Mataji: The Question is like this, I am asking Mr. Chavan,
he said you must forgive everyone.
Now supposing somebody abuses your Mataji,
says horrible things about her and see sort of infuriates you,
then what to do? How to overcome that?
Sahaja yogi: Now, I’ll just try to again translate in the reply
that I gave was that, I feel that suppose a situation comes across
where a certain person is abusing mother.
So, what is our first reaction?
If you are stable, I feel you should be immediately able to make out
as to whether that person is a knowledgeable person, where he is realized,
because a realized soul will never be able to abuse mother,
never be able to talk anything against mother.
That is just impossible, its only because he is in avidya
he doesn’t have the knowledge that he is abusing the mother.
When he comes to reality, he will not do so.
Now, I told that our elder brother Shri Jesus Christ,
has shown us the way in this regard.
He has said that whenever you come across any such person who abuses God,
then you have to tell, you have to pray God that
please, please we have to say please Mother, you forgive him.
When mother forgives everything comes in it.
I feel it is not necessary to give him punishment. I am nobody to punish him.
It is the forgiveness of the Mother itself will act as punishment
and reward for that person.
Because as soon as she forgives, the person will get realized
and he will get everything. There is no other good punishment.
Thank you!
Shri Mataji: It’s very well said.
But it’s a very subtle point you see
because God has given us also temper and anger as well as forgiveness.
Both qualities are within us.
And he has not given us temper for something that is useless,
as even temper is necessary.
Once you are realized, once you are a realized soul,
your temper is also dynamic, it is needed.
When somebody says something against God and against your mother,
if he is a realized soul or if he is not a realized soul
is a very important point, no doubt.
Supposing he is not a realized soul
then the best thing is to pity such a man and say that O God forgive,
because they do not know what they are doing.
But say even Christ,
supposing something had happened to the mother of Christ,
now how he would have reacted?
Then he would have come up as her son
and he would have taken the cross in his hands and hit all the people there.
So, when somebody abuses who is a realized soul,
there are many realized souls, whom I have given realization,
who have come up very well but who fall out,
who try to abuse and try to say bad things,
now at that time it’s the whole collectivity is challenged,
the whole collectivity, the whole collective being is challenged
when he says something like that.
He is a part and parcel of your being.
Think if in your finger you have some pain, what do you do? You rub it off.
When a person who is a realized soul, if he tries to be funny
or if he tries to abuse anything that is divine,
you have to get into a temper, that’s a part,
but this temper is to be diverted into Sahaja Yoga system
like you beat him with shoes, you write his names and burn it,
you write his names on the ground and stamp it,
you take out your anger on them.
Your anger is divine anger, it has a meaning.
You are part of the whole divine. If you are angry the divine is angry.
But this anger is hithkaari, is the one that is benevolent,
is a benevolent anger.
This benevolent anger is necessary
because he is the part and parcel of the whole
and you go all out.
There are so many ways by which you really punish in a symbolic way.
But that punishment brings him out of his negativity.
But for people who are not realized also, these things come up.
When negativity is very powerful and wants to take a challenge
with the positivity, supposing there’s a negative person
and he wants to disturb say our work,
at that time you will be amazed
that those who will be negative will start supporting the person.
Immediately, you can pick them out and say that these are negative.
And those who are positive will be in anger,
they’ll keep quiet, some of them will be boiling
and some of them might get up and say you get out from here.
That we have to do, that challenge we have to take up and say to people,
that is only possible when you have full discretion, how to use your anger?
You have to say it out.
It is necessary because if you allow these negativities to be there,
they will get hold of people who are sitting on the fences who are half baked,
at that time it is necessary to show your strength,
not to get lost in your temper, but to stand up to say
you get out from here, don’t know what you are doing,
that is very important, because whatever you see, say is a mantra,
is a dynamite that will change the whole atmosphere.
The negativity will run away, but if you say that,
alright let it happen, it will have a bad effect.
Christ allowed them to torture him, but not his mother nor God.
He took a hunter in his hand when people were selling in the market.
So, he has a double side also and in you also there is Kalki.
And you, I have awakened Kalki in you.
So, you are also Kalki but you must reach a certain maturity,
then only you can do it. Sometimes it is very important,
but the way you do it, with what dignity you do it is very important.
But one has to learn that also,
you have to learn how to say it with sternness and with strength
that you shut up now. You are not to say a word,
and only saying this will make all the negativities run away.
At a point one has to say,
that’s what I feel that when you grow in this atmosphere here,
let you find yourself which is also very very strong as well as forgiving.
You know that your mother’s nature is Atisoumya, Atiroudrya;
she lives in two extremes. She can be extremely gentle,
and she can be terrific.
And these two qualities you should also imbibe,
but it should never be directed against your own brothers and sisters,
you don’t direct all destructive forces.
But against the negativity, because the time has come for us to fight.
The time has started now for us to fight these negative forces
and for that we all must take up strength within,
you see compromising with them all that is not going to help us.
So, the strength must be there,
a dignity and with all understanding and discretion you have to tell.
But I have seen mostly negative people will stand up and say you shut up, you go away.
So, the positivity should reach that stage where you are matured
and when you just say stand up and shut up, it means something.
That’s a part one has to play, one has to accept
we are not going to run away from our parts and some time,
as I said, you have to take swords in your hand.
So, this is a very courageous role full of valor.
It does not mean that we are cowards, or we are weak people.
We are very strong, extremely powerful people and you have tremendous power.
But you have the greatest power is that of forgiveness,
but behind that forgiveness, there is no weakness.
What is the forgiveness of a weak person, he has to forgive in any case?
But the strength of a Sahaja yogi can forgive.
So, if somebody says something against the divinity itself,
you have to stand up in a way, in a dignified way.
And use your discretion and if necessary, you have to tell them
that you are in for trouble. This much I can say.
Because this is also an important part where step by step
as you are growing you will be amazed that as you are flowers,
you are also the thorns that have to protect the flower within.
We have both roles and we are not to avoid anything
that is within us, that is our part but the only thing is the channelizing,
this is very important and this subtle point we must understand.
Mr. Chavan is a very very competent man
and he knows how to handle situations and things but
him also and to everyone, I am telling, if you find anybody
any sahaja yogi who is deviating from the path of Sahaja yoga,
you have to tell him, straight on the face
that this is wrong.
This you should not do,
and you should support a man who says that, is important.
Because all of us must join hands together to find out
the weaknesses that we have and how to get rid of them,
is very important.
Because unless and until we take a strong attitude towards ourselves
and towards our whole collectivity, you don’t know
there is such a tremendous force collected against divinity
that we may give in. So, let us build up ourselves also
with courage and with the full idea of our powers of divinity
that we have within ourselves.
May God bless you, it’s a very good point that came up, I am very happy.
Mr. Chavan is a very good leader, a nice man and compromising
and a very powerful person.
He comes from a community which is known for its valor
and so he is so strong because, he has built up himself like that
and such a person will have patience and everything he can have,
but to a point, to a point.
Then you have to come out and tell off people,
Thank you!