OF AMERICA." AND MY DEAR FRIEND MARK THOMPSON
IN THE HOUSE THE HOST ON SIRIUS
XM.
XM. COREY, BASED ON WHAT YOU HAVE
SEEN, ANYTHING ACCOMPLISHED
HERE?
HERE? >> QUITE A LOT ACCOMPLISHED IF
YOU’RE THE NORTH KOREANS.
YOU HAVE TWO SUMMITS IN THE
SPACE OF THE YEAR FROM THE
UNITED STATES.
UNITED STATES. YOU HAVE DISTANCE BETWEEN THE
UNITED STATES AND SOUTH KOREANS.
YOU HAVE REDUCED MILITARY
READINESS OF SOUTH KOREAN AND
AMERICAN FORCES BECAUSE THE
PRESIDENT CANCELED THE
EXERCISES.
EXERCISES. YOU GOT TO KEEP YOUR 30-SOME
NUCLEAR WEAPONS AND YOUR
MISSILES THAT CAN HIT THE UNITED
STATES.
STATES. YOU GOT A PASS ON HUMAN RIGHTS
AND BEING THE LARGEST PRISON
CAMP IN THE WORLD.
THAT’S A FABULOUS OUTCOME IF
YOU’RE THE NORTH KOREANS.
I’M RELIEVED THAT THE PRESIDENT
DID NOT AGREE TO SOMETHING EVEN
WORSE, THAT HE DOESN’T DESERVE
ANY CREDIT FOR CREATING A
CIRCUMSTANCE WHERE WE’RE
GRATEFUL THAT THE OUTCOME ISN’T
WORSE.
WORSE. >> NOAH, YOU TREATED THIS --
TWEETED THIS, AND I WANT TO GET
THE TIMING CORRECT.
YOU TWEETED IT BEFORE THE SUMMIT
FELL APART BUT AFTER NBC
REPORTED THAT THE UNITED STATES
HAD DROPPED ITS REQUIREMENT OF
THE FULL ACCOUNTING OF NUCLEAR
WEAPONS ON NORTH KOREA’S SIDE.
YOU TWEETED THIS -- THIS WHOLE
THING IS NOW ENTIRELY POINTED.
WHAT AN UNMITIGATED
EMBARRASSMENT.
EMBARRASSMENT. >> YEAH, AND I HAVE NOT REVERSED
MY ASSESSMENT THERE.
I KNOW ADMINISTRATION OFFICIALS
PUSHED BACK AND SAID THEY
HAVEN’T DROPPED THE REQUEST FOR
AN INVENTORY, FULL ACCOUNTING OF
THE NORTH KOREAN NUCLEAR
CAPABILITIES AND WEAPONS AND
INVENTORY OF ITS CAPE ABILITIES,
BUT THEY REALLY HAVE.
>> HOW?
>> HOW? >> THEY’VE BEEN PURSUING THIS
FOR A LONG TIME AND IT HASN’T
BEEN FORTHCOMING.
BEEN FORTHCOMING. BEFORE ANY OF THIS DIPLOMATIC
DANCE BEGAN, ADMINISTRATION
OFFICIALS BEGAN TELLING THE
REPORTS, REPORTERS AT "THE NEW
YORK TIMES," FOR EXAMPLE, ON
BACKGROUND SECRET FACILITIES
THAT WE WERE AWARE OF,
INTIMATING TO THE NORTH KOREAN
COUNTERPARTS THEY REALLY BETTER
DISCLOSE THIS SORT OF STUFF
BECAUSE WE’RE GOING TO CHECK IT
AND MAKE SURE WE HAVE AN HONEST
INTERLOCK TOUR ON OUR HANDS.
THEY SHE NEVERED. RECEIVED IT.
MIKE POMPEO RETURNS FROM
PYONGYANG AND DID NOT GET IT.
THE MOST EAGER ADMINISTRATION
WILLING TO ENGAGE IN THIS
PROCESS WAS NOT FORTHCOMING.
THE PRESIDENT DESERVES CREDIT
FOR STICKING WITH MIKE POMPEO
HERE.
HERE. THEY WERE ATTEMPTING TO SEE IF
THE AMERICAN POSITION, NO
SANCTIONS FOR JUST ELIMINATION
OF YONGBYON WAS ACTUALLY DONALD
TRUMP’S POSITION.
TRUMP’S POSITION. I THINK THEY WERE ATTEMPTING TO
BREAK THE PRESIDENT AWAY FROM
HIS ADMINISTRATION MEMBERS THERE
AND HE DIDN’T BREAK.
GOOD FOR HIM.
BUT AS COREY SAID, WE’RE IN A
BAD POSITION AND THE PRESIDENT
AVOIDED ONE LAND MINE.
THERE ARE MANY OTHERS WE MANAGED
TO STEP ON DURING THIS PROCESS.
>> LET’S SAY WE KNOW THE
PRESIDENT LOVES A GOOD SIGNING
AND HE LOVES A WIN.
THERE WERE MANY AIDES THAT WERE
WORRIED HE WAS GOING TO GIVE
AWAY TOO MUCH IN NORTH KOREA
BECAUSE HE WANTED TO KEEP THE
NEWS OVER THERE AND HE WANTS
THAT NOBEL PEACE PRIZE.
THE FACT WE GOT NO DEAL, CAN WE
TAKE THAT AS AT LEAST A MARGINAL
WIN?
WIN? >> WELL, THIS IS THE WAY THE
CHICKEN REALLY CAME BEFORE THE
EGG.
EGG. WE KNEW ALL OF THIS BEFORE HE
LEFT TO GO OVER THERE.
THERE WAS A DISPUTE BETWEEN HIM
AND EVERYONE ELSE WHO LOOKED AT
WHAT WAS GOING ON IN NORTH KOREA
AND THE TRIP, ALL OF THIS
PROBABLY COULD HAVE BEEN SAVED
IF HE HAD LISTENED TO EVERYONE
ELSE IN HIS ADMINISTRATION.
JUST THIS PAST WEEKEND, YOU HAD
POMPEO EVEN CONTRADICTING HIM ON
TELEVISION.
TELEVISION. WHY MAKE A TRIP ALL THE WAY OVER
THERE TO THEN AGREE WITH POMPEO?
HE COULD DISAGREE WITH HIM
BEFORE HE LEFT.
>> SAVE A LOT OF EFFORT.
>> SO THE SAD PART OF THIS IS
THE SECOND TIME NOW DONALD
TRUMP -- THIS IS THE SECOND TIME
THE UNITED STATES LOST IN
VIETNAM.
VIETNAM. THIS IS A TOTAL EMBARRASSMENT,
AND QUITE FRANKLY, HE WANTS TO
UNDUE THE IRAN NUCLEAR DEAL.
BUT THERE IS NO DEAL IN NORTH
KOREA.
KOREA. THE STATUS QUO IS EVEN WORSE
THAN WHAT’S IN PLACE THAN THE
DEAL WITH HAD IN PLACE WITH
IRAN.
IRAN. AT THE END OF ALL OF THIS, YOU
MAY HAVE NO DEAL IN NORTH KOREA
AND NO DEAL FOR ACCOUNTABILITY
IN IRAN EITHER AND WE’RE FAR
WORSE OFF UNDER THOSE
CIRCUMSTANCES.
CIRCUMSTANCES. >> IS THERE ANY REASON TO
BELIEVE WHAT THE ADMINISTRATION
HAS TOLD US HAPPENING BEHIND
CLOSED DOORS, ESPECIALLY GIVEN
THE PRESIDENT’S TRACK RECORD?
>> NO, I DON’T THINK SO.
MY GUESS IS THAT THE PRESIDENT
WALKED OUT BEFORE TIME IN ORDER
TO HAVE A NEWS STORY OTHER THAN
NOTHING ACCOMPLISHED.
NOTHING ACCOMPLISHED. SO HE GETS TO LOOK LIKE HE’S
DRIVING A HARD BARGAIN WHEN
THERE’S NO BARGAIN.
I THINK THEY’VE HAD
FUNDAMENTALLY DIFFERENT
FUNDAMENTALLY DIFFERENT PERCEPTIONS OF WHAT
DENUCLEARIZATION OF THE KOREAN
PENINSULA MEANS.
PENINSULA MEANS. FOR THE NORTH KOREANS, IT MEANS
NO AMERICAN FORCES IN SOUTH
KOREA.
KOREA. AND I THINK THE ADMINISTRATION
HAS BEEN KIDDING ITSELF THAT
THEY ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO GET
ANYTHING SHORT OF ANY KIND OF
DENUCLEARIZATION OUT OF THE
NORTH KOREANS.
NORTH KOREANS. EVEN IN RETURN FOR THE COMPLETE
CESSATION OF SANCTIONS.
>> NOAH, I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT
OTTER
OTTER OTTER WAIRNBIAR, THE AMERICAN
STUDENT WHO DIED AFTER BEING
RELEASED FROM NORTH KOREA.
THEY ASKED THE PRESIDENT WHETHER
OR NOT KIM JONG-UN WAS
RESPONSIBLE AND HERE’S WHAT HE
SAID --
SAID -- >> I DON’T BELIEVE HE KNEW ABOUT
IT.
IT. >> DID HE TELL YOU HE DID NOT --
KIM JONG-UN TELL YOU THAT?
>> HE FELT BADLY ABOUT IT.
DIDN’T SPEAK TO HIM BUT HE FELT
BADLY.
BADLY. HE KNEW THE CASE VERY WELL BUT
HE KNEW IT LATER IN THOSE
PRISONS AND CAMPS, YOU HAVE A
LOT OF PEOPLE AND REALLY BAD
THINGS HAPPENED TO OTTO.
SOME REALLY, REALLY BAD THINGS.
AND HE TELLS ME THAT HE DID NOT
KNOW ABOUT IT, AND I WILL TAKE
HIM AT HIS WORD.
>> WHAT IS YOUR REACTION TO THAT
IN THE MIND OF THE PRESIDENT?
YOU KNOW, IT’S A FREEBIE AND
COSTS HIM NOTHING AND WINS HIM A
POINT WITH KIM JONG-UN?
>> IT’S VERY STRANGE, WITH THE
UNDERSTANDING I DON’T HAVE
ACCESS TO AMERICAN INTELLIGENCE.
I DON’T KNOW WHAT THEY KNOW.
AND PERHAPS THE PRESIDENT IS
SPEAKING FROM A MORE EDUCATED
POSITION THAN I AM.
>> DO YOU THINK HE IS?
>> I DON’T BELIEVE SO.
IT DOESN’T MAKE MUCH SENSE.
IT’S ECHOES OF HELSINKI, WHERE
HE SEEMS TO HAVE CHEAP
FLATTERING HE CAN GET AWAY WITH
AND ADVANCE HIS POSITION WITH
HIS COUNTERPART HERE.
LEANS SO HEAVILY INTO THE OTTO
WARMBIAR STORY.
WARMBIAR STORY. THAT WAS THE REASON WE’RE AT
THIS TABLE, WOULDN’T HAVE
HAPPENED UNLESS WE ENGAGED IN
THAT PROCESS AND THIS IS A
GROTESQUE CRIME AGAINST AN
AMERICAN CITIZEN THAT OCCURRED
IN A POLICED STATE, ABSOLUTE
DICTATORSHIP.
DICTATORSHIP. THE FACT KIM JONG-UN IS NOT
FAMILIAR WHAT HAPPENS IN HIS OWN
DETENTION FACILITIES WHERE
PSYCHOLOGICAL TORTURE, FORCED
MEDICATION, THE SORT OF THING WE