MAJOR VOTING RESTRICTIONS ALL
ACROSS THE COUNTRY BASED ON THE
LIE OF A FRAUDULENT STOLEN
ELECTION.
JOINING OUR CONVERSATION IS
CHRIS KREBS, THE FORMER DIRECTOR
OF THE CYBERSECURITY AND
INFRASTRUCTURE SECURITY AGENCY
AT DHS DURING THE TRUMP
ADMINISTRATION.
WE WANTED TO TALK TO YOU FOR A
LONG TIME.
NOW, I HATE ADMITTING THAT I
KNOW THIS, BUT THERE ARE A BUNCH
OF RIGHT-WING BLOGGERS WHO WATCH
THIS BROADCAST AND FOR ANY OF
THOSE LITTLE HONEY BUNS, LET ME
GET SOME FACTS OUT.
WAS THERE ANY VOTER FRAUD IN
2020?
>> AT A VERY, VERY LOW LEVEL.
>> ENOUGH TO CHANGE THE OUTCOME
OF THE ELECTION IN ANY STATE?
>> ABSOLUTELY NOT.
>> WAS THERE ANYTHING WITH THE
VOTING MACHINES, EITHER BY
SYSTEMATIC OR DOMINION THAT
FLIPPED VOTES FROM DONALD TRUMP
TO JOE BIDEN?
>> NOT THAT WE SAW FROM AN
INTENTIONAL PERSPECTIVE.
THERE WAS, I THINK, HUMAN ERRORS
UP IN MICHIGAN THAT WERE CAUGHT,
AS WOULD NORMALLY HAPPEN IN THE
TABULATION PROCESS, AND
IMMEDIATELY CORRECTED.
>> WAS THERE ANY EVIDENCE
PRESENTED IN ANY OF THE 60, 70,
80 LAWSUITS THAT CONTRADICTS ANY
OF THIS?
>> NOT THAT I’M AWARE OF, AND A
NUMBER OF THOSE CASES, DESPITE
SOME OF THE CLAIMS THAT THEY
WERE PURELY DECIDED ON STANDING,
A LOT -- A NUMBER OF THOSE CASES
IN WISCONSIN, PENNSYLVANIA,
GEORGIA WERE ACTUALLY DETERMINED
ON THE MERITS AS WELL.
>> DID YOU EVER GET ANY SENSE
BEFORE ELECTION DAY THAT THE
PRESIDENT DIDN’T WANT THE
ELECTION TO BE SECURE?
>> I THINK THAT THERE WERE A
NUMBER OF INDICATORS OVER THE
COURSE OF THE SUMMER THAT THE
CAMPAIGN AND THE PRESIDENT AND
OTHERS WERE ATTEMPTING TO
UNDERMINE CONFIDENCE IN THE
PROCESS.
IF YOU RECALL, THERE WAS A LOT
OF WORK OVER THE SUMMER TO CALL
INTO QUESTION THE EXPANSION OF
MAIL-IN VOTING AND ABSENTEE
BALLOT USE.
DUE TO THE FACT THAT THERE WAS A
PANDEMIC ONGOING AND WE WANTED
TO MAKE SURE THAT -- STATES
WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WAS
SAFE TO VOTE.
THAT WAS THE, FOR ME, THE FIRST
REAL INDICATOR THAT THERE WERE
GOING TO BE SOME DISINFO
SHENANIGANS IN THE 2020
ELECTION.
>> WHEN YOU WATCHED THE
INSURRECTION ON LIVE TELEVISION
ON JANUARY 6th, AS WE ALL DID,
AND YOU KNEW -- YOU KNEW AT A
TECHNICAL LEVEL AND A POLICY
LEVEL AND A SUBSTANTIVE LEVEL
THAT THE LIE WAS A LIE AND YOU
HAD BEEN SAYING IT EVERYWHERE
YOU COULD SAY IT TO EVERYONE YOU
COULD TELL, WHAT DID YOU THINK?
HOW DID YOU FEEL?
>> IT WAS -- IT WAS PRETTY
SURREAL.
I, OF COURSE, CAN’T IMAGINE WHAT
IT WAS LIKE FOR THE LAW
ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS THAT WERE
THERE ACTUALLY HAVING TO DEAL
WITH THE VIOLENCE, BUT SITTING
BACK, KNOWING WHAT WE KNEW, ALL
THE BUILDING BLOCKS, ALL THE
INDICATORS HAD BEEN IN PLACE.
WE HAD RELEASED THE YEAR BEFORE
AN AWARENESS CAMPAIGN CALLED THE
WAR ON PINEAPPLE AND IT WAS
REALLY A DECOMPOSITION OF WHAT A
FOREIGN INFLUENCE CAMPAIGN LOOKS
LIKE, AND UNFORTUNATELY THIS
TIME AROUND, INSTEAD OF IT BEING
A FOREIGN ACTOR, IT WAS DOMESTIC
ACTORS THAT WERE SOWING THE
SEEDS OF DISTRUST AND
MANIPULATING THE MINDS OF THE
AMERICAN PEOPLE, AND THAT -- THE
LAST STEP IN THAT CAMPAIGN IS
TAKING THINGS TO THE STREETS,
AND THAT’S EFFECTIVELY WHAT WE
SAW, ULTIMATELY, THE LID POPPED
OFF AND WE HAD THE INSURRECTION
AT THE CAPITOL.
>> AND THE CAPITOL, THE ACTING
CAPITOL POLICE CHIEF HAS WARNED
THAT A JOINT ADDRESS TO CONGRESS
FROM PRESIDENT BIDEN WOULD BE A
TARGET.
THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND
SECURITY IN WHICH YOU WORKED AND
THE FBI HAVE ISSUED A PRETTY
UNPRECEDENTED TERROR THREAT THAT
HOLDS THAT THROUGH THE END OF
APRIL, THE COUNTRY IS AT A
HEIGHTENED RISK OF DOMESTIC
TERRORISTS WHO BELIEVE THE BIG
LIE.
WHAT MORE SHOULD REPUBLICANS WHO
REMAIN THE ENABLERS OF DONALD
TRUMP’S BIG LIE, THEY FLOCK TO
CPAC AND THEY CLAPPED AND THEY
ECHOED IT, AND THEY PARROTED IT,
AND AGAIN, I THINK DONALD TRUMP
IS OFF THE STAGE, BUT THERE’S
SERVITUDE TO HIM AND THEIR
WILLINGNESS TO REPEAT THIS LIE
THAT LED TO AN INSURRECTION THAT
REMAINS A THREAT TO THE END OF
APRIL, WHAT IS THE SECURITY
IMPLICATION OF THAT?
>> WELL, YOU KNOW, WE’VE GOT A
NUMBER OF DATES THAT ARE COMING
UP THAT ARE IMPORTANT TO THE
NOSTRADAMUS TYPES OF THE "Q"
FOLLOWING, MARCH 4th OR MARCH
20th NOW.
THEY’RE GOING TO KEEP PUSHING
THE DATES BACK OF WHEN THE ONCE
AND FUTURE PRESIDENT, THE FORMER
GUY, AS YOU CALL HIM, IS GOING
TO COME BACK.
AND IT’S JUST -- IT’S FICTION.
IT’S FALSE.
IT’S NONSENSE.
THE BIGGER PROBLEM HERE IS THAT
WE HAVE, TO YOUR POINT ABOUT THE
SERVITUDE, THE FOLLOWERS IN THE
GOP THAT, YOU KNOW, ONE WAY OR
THE OTHER, THIS IS THE HORSE
YOU’RE BETTING ON, IT’S A REALLY
BAD STRATEGIC DECISION FOR A
COUPLE OF REASONS.
ONE OF THE ILLEGAL EXPOSURE OF
THE FORMER PRESIDENT AS WELL AS
JUST THE FACT THAT HE’S GETTING
ON THERE IN AGE AND I’M JUST NOT
SURE THAT IN FOUR YEARS HE’S
GOING TO BE A VIABLE CANDIDATE.
PULL THE BAND-AID OFF NOW.
WE HAVE TO CHANGE COURSE.
IF THE GOP WANTS TO EXIST IN ANY
SORT OF VIABLE POLITICAL PARTY
MODE, THEN THEY’VE GOT TO CHANGE
COURSE.
THEY’VE GOT TO DO IT QUICKLY.
BUT I THINK WHAT WE’RE SEEING
MORE THAN ANYTHING, WHAT YOU SAW