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>>> WE ARE EXACTLY SEVEN MONTHS FROM THE EYEIOWA CAUCUSES.
KP THE
KP THE CAN’T WAIT, RIGHT?
BUT IT WILL BE A PACKED HOUSE
FOR THE HOLIDAY.
SEVEN ARE NOW THERE OR ON THEIR
WAY TO THE HAWKEYE STATE.
HERE’S WHAT THEY’RE DEALING
THERE FROM A POLLING
PERSPECTIVE, ANYWAY P.
NEW RESULTS FROM "USA TODAY"
POLL.
POLL. JOE BIDEN’S GRIP SLOWLY FADING
AWAY THANKS TO A SURGE OF
SUPPORT FOR KAMALA HARRIS AND
ELIZABETH WARREN, FRESH OFF LAST
WEEK’S DEMOCRATIC DEBATES.
JOINING US NOW, MSNBC
CORRESPONDENT GARRETT HAAKE, WHO
IS DOWN IN IOWA, WHERE MANY OF
THE CANDIDATES ARE CAMPAIGNING
TODAY.
TODAY. GARRETT, GIVE US THE LAY OF THE
LAND THERE.
LAND THERE. WE KNOW WE WILL SEE JOE BIDEN,
KAMALA HARRIS, AMY KLOBUCHAR.
THIS IS A CONVERGENCE WHERE A
LOT OF VOTERS SAY EVEN IF THEY
EXPRESS THEMSELVES IN POLLS, A
LOT OF THEM FORMALLY HAVE NOT
MADE UP THEIR MIND YET.
THEY SAY THEY CAN CHANGE THEIR
MINDS IN THIS RACE.
>> YES, PETER, I DON’T HAVE TO
TELL YOU, IOWA DECIDES LATE BUT
IT IS SO IMPORTANT.
ESPECIALLY IN A FIELD THIS BIG.
YOU HAVE TO THINK THERE ARE ONLY
GOING TO GET SO MANY TICKETS
PUNCHED OUT OF THE HAWKEYE
STATE.
STATE. I IMAGINE THIS FIELD WILL BE A
LOT SMALLER AS WE GET TO THE
CAUCUSES.
CAUCUSES. SEVEN MONTHS START TO MAKE MY
HEAD SPIN WHEN YOU SAY IT LIKE
THAT.
THAT. IT’S INTERESTING BECAUSE
CANDIDATES BY AND LARGE HAVE NOT
SPENT BY AS MUCH TIME HERE.
AS THAT TOP TIER SOLIDIFIED INTO
A TOP FOUR, FIVE, JOE BIDEN,
KAMALA HARRIS, MAYOR PETE ARE
SORT OF THREE OF THOSE WHO HAVE
NOT SPENT A TON OF TIME IN THE
HAWKEYE STATE BUT THEY’RE ALL
HERE RIGHT NOW TRYING TO
ESSENTIALLY ESTABLISH THEMSELVES
ON THE GROUND HERE AND TRANSLATE
NATIONAL GROUND SUPPORT IN THE
KIND OF SUPPORT YOU NEED TO WIN
A CAUCUS STATE.
I’M WATCHING THE JOE BIDEN
EVENTS CLOSELY THE NEXT COUPLE
OF DAYS.
OF DAYS. HE ALSO HAS TO FACE QUESTIONS
ABOUT WHETHER HE CAN STILL DO
FAST PACED, ON THE GROUND,
HEAVILY FACE-TO-FACE CAMPAIGNING
THAT IS NECESSARY HERE.
LIKE WISE KAMALA HARRIS HAD A
REPUTATION OF SOMEONE IN IOWA
HAS FLOWN IN AND OUT.
SHE DID ONE, TWO EVENTS.
SHE DOES NOT HAVE AS MUCH STAFF
ON THE GROUND.
SHE’S TRYING TO SHOW MUSCLE
HERE.
HERE. PETE BUTTIGIEG IS MARCHING IN
THE PARADE TOMORROW.
ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF A CANDIDATE
WITH NATIONAL PRESENCE BUT NOT
ON THE GROUND AS MUCH AS BERNIE
SANDERS, BETO O’ROUKE.
SOME OF THE OTHER CANDIDATES.
STEVE BULLOCK BASICALLY MOVED TO
IOWA, SETTING UP SHOP HERE.
WE’RE SEEING THE NATIONAL
FRONT-RUNNERS DO THIS BACKWARDS.
WHEN WE’RE USED TO SEEING
CANDIDATES BUILD AND BUILD IN
IOWA WE ARE SEEING NATIONAL
FRONT-RUNNERS COME IN IOWA AND
USE THE SUPPORT THEY HAVE
NATIONALLY TO BUILD A GRASSROOTS
CAMPAIGN.
CAMPAIGN. >> I’M CURIOUS IF YOU HAVE SEEN
A SHIFT IN THE LAST SEVERAL DAYS
SINCE YOU’RE BACK IN IOWA POST
THE DEBATE.
THE DEBATE. POST THE WATERSHED BREAKOUT
MOMENT FOR KAMALA HARRIS.
IN THE CONVERSATIONS YOU HAVE AS
YOU ATTEND THESE EVENTS THERE,
YOU HAVE SEEN A SHIFT IN THE WAY
SOME OF THE VOTERS THERE, CAUCUS
GOERS THERE, DISCUSS THIS?
>> YES, IN THE KAMALA HARRIS
MINI BOOMLET IS INTERESTING.
WHAT I CAN’T TELL YOU IS WHETHER
IT’S A SUGAR HIGH OR THE KIND OF
THING THAT CAN REALLY SUSTAIN
HER.
HER. WE TALKED FOR WEEKS HOW JOE
BIDEN HAS BENEFITED SO MUCH
BEING THE ONLY CANDIDATE IN THE
MASSIVE FIELD WHO DEMOCRATIC
PRIMARY VOTERS FEEL LIKE THEY
REALLY KNOW AND NOW ALL OF A
SUDDEN THERE IS A SURGE OF
INTEREST IN KAMALA HARRIS.
PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT HER A
BIT MORE.
BIT MORE. THEY SAW ON STAGE WHAT HARRIS
AND HER SUPPORTERS ALWAYS SAID
IS WHAT SHE WOULD DO AGAINST
DONALD TRUMP.
DONALD TRUMP. THEY SAW HER ESSENTIALLY PUNCH
THE BIG GUY IN THE FIGHT.
A LOT OF THE DEMOCRATS I TALKED
TO SAY I SAW HER DO THIS WITH
JOE BIDEN.
JOE BIDEN. MAYBE SHE CAN ACTUALLY DO THIS
WITH DONALD TRUMP.
THE QUESTION I DON’T KNOW THE
ANSWER TO YET THAT I’M REALLY
CURIOUS ABOUT IS WHETHER SHE
WILL HAVE THE SAME TRAJECTORY
SHE SAW WITH BETO O’ROUKE, GOT
INTO THE RACE, TON OF ATTENTION
AND FELL OFF QUICKLY.
MAYOR PETE, GOT IN THE RACE, TON
OF ATTENTION.
OF ATTENTION. STILL HAS BIG NUMBERS BUT POLL
NUMBERS ARE FALLING OFF.
WITH KAMALA HARRIS BE THE NEXT
TO RISE AND FALL OR CAN SHE
SUSTAIN THIS IN A WAY NO OTHER
OF THE BIDEN ALTERNATIVES HAVE
YET?
YET? >> AND THIS RAISES QUESTIONS
ABOUT ELECTABILITY AS WELL.
A LOT OF DEMOCRATS RIGHT NOW,
THE TOP PRIORITY IS DEFEATING
DONALD TRUMP.
DONALD TRUMP. BUT THERE ARE CONCERNS RELATING
TO THE ELECTABILITY OF KAMALA
HARRIS OR ELIZABETH WARREN.
"THE NEW YORK TIMES" LISA LAYER
WRITES ABOUT THIS -- PRIVATELY
DEMOCRATIC STRATEGISTS WARN
ABOUT HOW DEEPLY DOUBTS ABOUT A
FEMALE CANDIDATE HAVE TAPE HOLD
AND VOTERS SUGGEST THEY’RE EAGER
TO SEE A WOMAN ON THE TICKET BUT
FEAR PUTTING HER IN THE TOP SPOT
COULD COST THEM THE WHITE HOUSE
AGAIN.
AGAIN. THE QUESTION COMES UP FREQUENTLY
IN EARLY PRIMARY STATES,
INCLUDING AT EVENTS ORGANIZED BY
FEMALE VOTERS.
FEMALE VOTERS. HEIDI, TO YOU ON THIS.
WHAT STRUCK ME A LOT OF PEOPLE
WATCHED THAT SECOND DEBATE JOE
BIDEN AND KAMALA HARRIS AND SAID
THEY CAN IMAGINE KAMALA HARRIS
ON THE STAGE PUNCHING TRUMP IN
THE NOSE, SO TO SPEAK.
BUT HILLARY CLINTON DID A PRETTY
GOOD JOB IN HER DEBATES WITH
PRESIDENT TRUMP.
PRESIDENT TRUMP. THAT DIDN’T CHANGE THINGS.
WHAT DO YOU MAKE ABOUT A FEMALE
CANDIDATE’S ELECTABILITY RIGHT
NOW?
NOW? >> IT’S SOMETHING YOU HEAR AND
SOMETHING YOU HEAR FROM FEMALE
DEMOCRATS, WHICH IS HOW YOU KNOW
IS A REAL THING.
IT’S HARD TO SEPARATE HOW MUCH
OF THAT IS PTSD FOR WHAT
HAPPENED WITH HILLARY CLINTON’S
CAMPAIGN.
CAMPAIGN. YOU SAW SO MANY WOMEN WERE SO
PASSIONATE AND SO UPSET THEY
JUMPED ON BUSES FROM EVERY
CORNER OF THIS COUNTRY AND CAME
HERE FOR THE WOMEN’S MARCH.
BUT I THINK THERE IS DEFINITELY
SOME SOFT DATA THAT ILLUSTRATES
THAT THE CHALLENGE HERE, AND
IT’S HARD BECAUSE THE MEN HAVE
THE NAME I.D.
BIDEN AND SANDERS.
SO YOU CAN JUST SAY A LOT OF
THAT IS NAME I.D.
BUT EVEN SO, 538 TOOK A LOOK AT
THIS AND FOUND A LOT OF THE
WOMEN CANDIDATES GOT MORE
NEGATIVE COVERAGE COMING OUT.
THEY FOUND IT HARDER TO BREAK
THROUGH.
THROUGH. EVEN WHEN YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT
SO-CALLED EQUALS LIKE MAYOR PETE
AND BETO O’ROUKE.
SO THERE IS SOME SOFT DATA
THERE.
THERE. IF YOU WANT TO JUST GET INTO A
PURE DISCUSSION ABOUT TO WHAT
CONSISTENT DOES SEXISM STILL
PERVADE OUR SOCIETY, I DID LOOK
AT THIS ISSUE BECAUSE LAST YEAR
FOLLOWING HILLARY CLINTON’S
CAMPAIGN I THINK A LOT OF US DID
AND FOUND INTERESTING POLL
FIGURES.
FIGURES. NOW YOU CAN ARGUE THESE ARE
PEOPLE WHO WOULD NEVER VOTE
DEMOCRAT ANYWAY AND THE
CANDIDATE WOULD BE A DEMOCRATIC
CANDIDATE.
CANDIDATE. BUT A POLLING FIRM LOOKED AT
THIS AND FOUND ONE FOURTH OF
MALE TRUMP VOTERS SAID MEN MAKE
BETTER LEADERS AND EVEN HIGHER,
ALMOST 40% SAID IT DOESN’T MAKE
A DIFFERENCE TO HAVE WOMEN IN
POSITIONS OF POWER.
THAT IS SOMETHING OUT THERE
STILL IN OUR CULTURE.
>> TO BE FAIR IT’S LIKELY THOSE
TRUMP VOTERS WILL NOT COME
AROUND TO THE DEMOCRAT WHOEVER
THEY ARE.
THEY ARE. THE QUESTION IS ABOUT THE
INDEPENDENTS IN THE MIDDLE, IF
THEY WOULD BE WILLING TO DO IT
RIGHT NOW.
RIGHT NOW. ANECDOTALLY YOU HEAR, KAMALA
HARRIS IS GREAT.
SHE WOULD BE A GREAT NUMBER TWO.
>> IT AMAZING HOW GOOD EVERYONE
IS, THEY WOULD BE A RUNNING
MATE.
MATE. WE HAD THIS RAMPANT FLAVOR OF
THE MONTHISM AMONG MAYOR PETE,
ELIZABETH WARREN, KAMALA HARRIS
NOW.
NOW. PEOPLE HAVE JUST HAD A LOT OF
MOMENTS.
MOMENTS. JOE BIDEN, THE NUMBERS ABOUT HIM
GOING HEAD TO HEAD WITH
PRESIDENT TRUMP, WHICH I THINK
IS STILL PROBABLY HIS STRONGEST
ASSET.
ASSET. THE FACT IS THERE ARE PROBABLY
FOUR, FIVE, MAYBE SIX CANDIDATES
THAT NOW SEEM TO HAVE SOME
STAYING POWER, GIGSCOMBINATION O
THEIR NAME RECOGNITION, MONEY
RAISED OR WHERE THEY SIT IN THE
LANE INFRASTRUCTURE OF ALL OF
THIS.
THIS. AND I THINK EVENTUALLY THEY DO
REMIND YOU THAT THIS IS A LONG
GAME.
GAME. AND IT IS JUST JULY.
I KNOW IT DOES FEEL LIKE THE
CAUCUS CAN BE NEXT WEEK BUT IT
IS JUST JULY.
THERE’S 7 MILLION DEBATES
BETWEEN NOW AND FEBRUARY.
AND THERE’S JUST A LOT OF STUFF
THAT NEEDS TO SETTLE.
>> AS WE’RE TALKING ABOUT THE
FEMALE CANDIDATES NOW, WE JUST
HEARD FROM KAMALA HARRIS.
SHE’S IN IOWA AS WE NOTED TODAY.
HERE’S PART OF WHAT SHE SAID AS
RELATES TO PROSECUTING THE CASE
AGAINST THE PRESIDENT.
TAKE A LISTEN.
>> I KNOW PREDATORS, AND WE HAVE
A PREDATOR LIVING IN THE WHITE
HOUSE.
HOUSE. AND LET ME TELL YOU, THERE’S A
LITTLE SECRET ABOUT PREDATORS.
DONALD TRUMP HAS PREDATORY
NATURE AND PREDATORY INSTINCT.
THE THING ABOUT PREDATORS YOU
SHOULD KNOW IS THEY PREY ON THE
VULNERABLE.
VULNERABLE. THEY PREY ON THOSE WHO THEY DO
NOT BELIEVE ARE STRONG.
AND THE THING ABOUT PREDATORS
THAT’S MOST IMPORTANT TO KNOW,
PREDATORS ARE COWARDS.
PREDATORS ARE COWARDS.
AND SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS
CAMPAIGN, AND WE LOOK AT THE
TASK BEFORE US, IT WILL BE TO
SUCCESSFULLY PROSECUTE THE CASE
AGAINST FOUR MORE YEARS OF
DONALD TRUMP, AND I AM PREPARED
TO DO THAT.
>> THE FORMER ATTORNEY GENERAL
OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA, THE
SENATOR FROM THAT STATE, YOU
HEARD HER SPEAKING IN IOWA.
DOUG, THE PROSECUTOR’S POINT, AS
I WAS MAKING EARLIER, IF YOU
DON’T FEEL LIKE THE CASE IS
SUFFICIENTLY PROSECUTED TO THIS
CASE, IT’S NOT CLEAR THAT
PROSECUTING ANY FURTHER WILL
HELP YOU.
HELP YOU. BUT THAT MESSAGE IS SORT OF
ABOUT JUICING THE BASE, RIGHT?
MOTIVATING BASE SUPPORTERS TO
LIFT THE NUMBERS TO DO THE
OPPOSITE OR EXACTLY WHAT THE
TRUMP SUPPORTERS ARE TRYING TO
DO ON THE OTHER SIDE, ISN’T IT?
>> RIGHT.
>> RIGHT. I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING KAMALA
HARRIS SAID.
HARRIS SAID. WHAT I WAS DISAPPOINTED ABOUT
THE DEBATES IS YOU DIDN’T SEE
DEMOCRATS GO THAT HARD AGAINST
THE PRESIDENT.
THE PRESIDENT. THE FIRST NIGHT --
>> BARELY MENTIONED.
>> FIRST NIGHT BARELY MENTIONED.
SECOND NIGHT WAS ABOUT THE
INTERNAL CONFLICT.
INTERNAL CONFLICT. DEMOCRATS NEED TO PROSECUTE THIS
CASE AGAINST THE PRESIDENT IN A
WAY THAT I THINK KAMALA DID
THERE.
THERE. WE HEAR IT ON THE TRAIL MORE.
BUT YOU DIDN’T SEE IT IN THE
DEBATE.
DEBATE. WE HAD 17 MILLION, 18 MILLION
PEOPLE WATCHING THIGHS DEBATES
AND THIS WAS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY
FOR DEMOCRATS TO DEFINE WHAT