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>> IS THERE A MOMENT OF YOUR
CAREER THAT YOU WISH YOU COULD
DO OVER?
>> YOU KNOW, UM, YES MEAN NO.
>> Laura: THAT’S PROBABLY
BECAUSE HE CAN’T REMEMBER AT
THIS POINT.
WE GOT OUR HANDS ON THE 359 PAGE
TRANSCRIPT OF FAUCI’S SEVEN HOUR
DEP 0 WITH THE ATTORNEYS GENERAL
OF MISSOURI AND LOUISIANA.
NOW DURING THAT DEPOSITION, HE
SAID, I DON’T RECALL 174 TIMES T
WHEN HE WAS ASKED ABOUT HIS OWN
E-MAILS.
NOW THAT DOESN’T EVEN INCLUDE
ALL THE TIMES HE SAID I CAN’T
RECALL AND I DON’T REMEMBER.
THAT’S EVEN A LOT MORE.
NOW, REMEMBER, THE ONE THING HE
DOES REMEMBER IS SENDING DR.
CLIFFORD LANE, ONE OF HIS
DEPUTIES ON A WHO DELEGATION TO
CHINA IN FEBRUARY OF 2020 TO SEE
HOW THEY WERE HANDLING COVID
AND, BOY, WERE THEY AMAZED.
DR. LANE WAS VERY IMPRESSED
ABOUT HOW THE CHINESE WERE
HANDLING THE ISOLATION, THE
CONTACT TRACING AND THE BUILDING
OF FACILITIES TO TAKE CARE OF
THE PEOPLE.
HE ALSO SAID THAT LANE REPORTED
BACK FROM THE TRIP THAT CHINA
LEARNED LESSONS ABOUT
CONTROLLING THE VIRUS THAT THEY
WANTED TO SHARE WITH US.
FAUCI WAS ON THE ANGLE AT THE
EXACT SAME TIME THE WHO
DELEGATION WAS OVER THERE
GETTING INFORMATION FROM THEIR
CHINESE PALS.
>> SO YOU’RE SATISFIED WITH ALL
OF THE TRANSPARENCY COMING OUT
OF CHINA TODAY ABOUT THE
TRAJECTORY OF THE DISEASE AND
THE ORIGIN OF THE DISEASE?
>> LAURA, I CANNOT SAY THAT I AM
SATISFIED WITH EVERY SINGLE BIT
OF INFORMATION.
BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT I CAN
BELIEVE WHAT THEY’RE TELLING ME.
>> Laura: YOU KNOW, THAT WAS
SOMETHING ELSE HE COULDN’T
RECALL, WHETHER OR NOT HE SPOKE
ABOUT THE ORIGINS OF THE VIRUS
IN FEBRUARY OF 2020.
WELL, WE PLAYED THAT CLIP, I
DON’T KNOW, HOW MANY TIMES ON
THE ANGLE?
SO I HOPE HE’S WATCHING NOW,
MAYBE IT WILL JOG HIS MEMORY.
JOINING ME NOW IS BEN, FOX NEWS
CONTRIBUTOR AND EDITOR AT LARGE
AT THE SPECTATOR AND VICTOR
DAVIS HANSON SENIOR FELLOW AT
THE HOOVER INSTITUTION.
BEN I HAD HIM ON THE ANGLE I
THISITY TWICE.
SHOCKING HE DIDN’T COME BACK ON
AGAIN BUT THE CHINA QUESTION, I
DON’T KNOW WHY I FELT I HAD TO
ASK THAT IN FEBRUARY BUT IT WAS
REVEALING.
>> LOOK, I THINK, LAURA AFTER
LOOKING AT THAT INTERVIEW
CLEARLY THE SCIENTIST SPOKE AND
ANTHONY FAUCI IS PERFECT SO WE
HAVE TO ACCEPT THAT TO DENY IT
WOULD BE ENGAGING IN DANGEROUS
MISINFORMATION ABOUT THE LEVEL
OF SERVICE HE HAS OFFERED US AS
A COUNTRY.
NO, DR. FAUCI OF COURSE HAS
DENIED AT EVERY STAGE ANY KIND
OF RESPONSIBILITY FOR DECISIONS
THAT HE WAS REPEATEDLY A
CRITICAL ACTOR IN MAKING AND I
THINK THAT ALL THE HELL BALLOU
AROUND HIM AND ALL THE
PROPAGANDA THAT WE SAW FROM THE
LEFT PROPPING HIM UP EVEN AS SO
MANY QUESTIONS WERE BEING LODGED
BY LEGITIMATE SOURCES, AMERICANS
WHO WERE JUST RAISING, I THINK,
VERY SERIOUS, AND WHAT TURNED
OUT TO BE SIGNIFICANT QUESTIONS
ABOUT THE LEVEL THAT WE COULD
TRUST WHAT CHINA WAS SAYING, THE
LEVEL OF COMPETENCE THAT WE HAD
AND THE CONCLUSIONS THAT IN SO
MANY WAYS WERE AFFECTING OUR
LIVES.
IT’S REALLY DISTURBING TO LOOK
AT SOMEONE, A BUREAUCRAT
UNELECTED PERSON, NO SOMEONE
RESPONSIBLE OR RESPONSIVE TO ANY
KIND OF VOTER HAVE THAT KIND OF
POWER OVER OUR LIVES AND NOW AT
THIS POINT HAVE COMPLETE ABILITY
TO DENY ANY RESPONSIBILITY THAT
HE HAD FOR THE DECISIONS MADE.
>> Laura: NO, HE DOESN’T WANT
ANY DO-OVERS ON ANYTHING.
FAUCI WAS ALSO ASKED ABOUT A
FEBRUARY 2020 PHONE CALL HE HAD
WITH HIS DEPUTY AT THE NIH.
NOW THE SUBJECT OF THE CALL WAS
THE SPECIFICS ABOUT THE NIH’S
TIES TO THE ECOHEALTH ALLIANCE
PETER DASH ACC’S GROUP.
HE SAID I WANTED TO BE BRIEFED
ON THE SCOPE OF WHAT OUR
COLLABORATIONS WERE AND THE KIND
OF WORK WE WERE FUNDING IN
CHINA.
I WANTED TO KNOW WHAT THE NATURE
OF THAT WORK WAS.
I DIDN’T LIKE THE FACT I WAS
COMPLETELY IN THE DARK ABOUT THE
TOTALITY OF THE WORK THAT WERE
BEING DONE.
VICTOR, WE’VE BEEN ASKING THE
NIH ABOUT THIS PHONE CALL FOR
OVER A YEAR AND HAD HEARD
NOTHING.
ARE WE TO BELIEVE TONY FAUCI
KNEW NOTHING ABOUT THE GAIN OF
FUNCTION RESEARCH BEING DONE AT
THE BEHEST OF THE ECOHEALTH
ALLIANCE WITH A GRANT FROM THE
NIH FROM WUHAN.
>> I THINK EVEN HIS REDACTED
E-MAILS KNEW THAT’S NOT TRUE HE
KNEW ALL ABOUT IT.
AND I THINK THE PARANOIA THAT HE
HAD IN INSISTING TO ALMOST THE
PRESENT DAY THAT THE VIRUS
ORIGINATED IN THE WILD SHOWS
THAT.
AND WE HAVE NOW ALL THESE
ARTICLES BY NEW YORK -- FORMER
NEW YORK TIMES SCIENCE WRITER
NICHOLAS, PETER QUAY’S BOOK, THE
LATEST BY DR. HUFF AND THE CON
SEN US SUS AS HE KNOWS NOW THE
VIRUS LIKELY ORIGINATEDD IN
WUHAN AND PART OF THE PROBLEM IS
IT’S SO HUGE IT’S STAGGERING THE
TRUTH IT’S EXISTENTIAL IN THE
SENSE THAT DID THE UNITED STATES
GIVE MONEY THROUGH THE NIH AND
DR. FAUCI’S INSTITUTE THAT THE
NATIONAL INSTITUTE OF VIROLOGY
AND ROUT IT THROUGH ECHO HEALTH
TO AVOID THAT IT WAS NOT LEGAL
IN THE UNITED STATES AND THAT
ENDED UP IN WUHAN UNDER THE
CONTROL OF THE PEOPLE’S
LIBERATION ARMY AND HAD SOME
ROLE IN CONTRIBUTING TO THIS
VIRUS THAT’S INFECTED 800
MILLION PEOPLE, PROBABLY DOUBLE
THAT IF WE HAD THE ACCURATE
FIGURES, AND KILLED OVER 70
MILLION?
THAT’S SUCH A STAGGERING THING
TO EVEN COMPREHEND THAT BEE
DON’T KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH IT.
>> Laura: RIGHT.
>> AND HE’S A DEER IN THE
HEADLIGHTS FIGURE NOW, THE JAMES
COMEY WITH 245 TIMES COMEY
COULDN’T REMEMBER, THE SAME
TRAJECTORY THESE PEOPLE ARE
UNWINDING BEFORE OUR EYES
BECAUSE THEIR CULPABILITY IS SO
ENORMOUS WE CAN’T COMPREHEND
ANYBODY WITH THAT RESPONSIBILITY
WOULD BE SO RECKLESS AND HE
KNOWS THAT.
>> Laura: THEY HAVE TO BE HELD
ACCOUNTABLE.
BEN, DURING HIS DEPOSITION HE
WAS ASKED IF HE KNEW ANYBODY WHO
WORKS IN SOCIAL MEDIA, AFTER A
NUMBER OF RESPONSES HE REVEALED
THAT HIS DAUGHTER USED TO WORK
AS A SOFTWARE ENGINEER AT
TWITTER.
WELL, THEY TAKE CARE OF THEIR
OWN AND IT’S ALL KIND OF
INTERTWINED.
TWITTER WAS WHERE THEY WERE
BANNING PEOPLE AND SHADOW
BANNING.
>> AS A CONSPIRACY THEORY THIS
WOULDN’T EVEN WORK ON A TV SHOW.
WHETHER SHE HAD ANYTHING TO DO
WITH THAT OR NOT CERTAINLY WE
HAVE TO QUESTION THE AMOUNT AND
THE ROLE DR. FAUCI HAD IN EVERY
CASE IN THE WAY SOCIAL MEDIA
SHIFTED AND CHARGED THIS DEBATE
IN WAYS THAT WE ARE ONLY JUST
NOW LEARNING ABOUT FOR THE FIRST
TIME AS ELON MUSK HAS STARTED TO
UNSPOOL THESE THINGS BEFORE OUR