All right, we talked about it off the top
Celtics, head coach email, you doca,
facing a suspension.
For a consensual
intimate relationship
with someone on the staff.
Someone
who's a member of the Celtics franchise and
Marc Spears of an escape
covers the league very well as well as anybody
in the country.
I said earlier teams, the first of all teams don't do this
like teams, I can't and you've covered the NBA for a long
time.
Teams usually don't suspend their coach for a season and
sit and then have them have that
person come back
as a head coach. I mean, just when you heard the story,
the story break, you know, what were some of the thoughts
that you have and what are some of the thoughts that you have
around it?
Well, as, you know, I cover the Celtics for two seasons.
I know the ownership very well, the stability of the franchise
very well,
so kind of surprising to me. Um, I mean world is a great
reporter. So I mean it's not surprising to me that Rose
reported it but
it was surprising to me that this
guy out to me. It was probably
something I think should have been handled behind the scenes.
There's so many other things that
are handled behind the scenes that
are probably even maybe much bigger than this, right? That
we never hear about.
And to me, this seemed to be one of those situations because
There's so many people that this hurts. I mean, to me, like
I'm he's career
is derailed
and I'm not defending anything he did or
I don't know all the details. But this is you know, this is
probably put a Scarlet Letter on him
in terms of being an NBA head coach.
You think about all the
people that affects? It affects the entire organization in
effect. Remembers,
you know, I put out a tweet today that Allison Feast who's
an amazing up-and-coming
front office, exact, who's basically like an assistant GM
with the Celtics that she's not involved with that.
So it was sad that I even had to put out a tweet like that, but,
you know, social media is a dangerous place
and yeah. Now that the Celtics haven't,
I don't know how many details they could. Put out. But,
you know, social media goes crazy and, and people are
speculating, but go ahead. Go ahead.
No, I'm just going to say you're going, right? And I went
there earlier, I said, you know, that was one of
the unfair aspects of the story Mark that it did get out, we
share that, and we're both reporters
at heart, you know? It's the way we came up, so
it's it's tough to say. When you got a journalism
background,
hey, that shouldn't have gotten out, because we're trained to
Get everything that we can, but there are certain stories that
and say, well, wait a minute, why did it have to come out
like this? And now that it's out
everybody who's a female works for the Celtics is under
scrutiny and it's just, it's not fair.
Do you think
you think the Celtics could have done anything
to prevent that from happening? I mean, the story I'm making
the big leap that the story leaked and it came from
the Celtics.
Since that leak came from them, is there anything they could
have done to maybe get the message out but protect people
who are not involved at all and now have to answer questions.
Yeah. It just
you know Mike it's hard to
really determine without knowing all the details. Right?
And I don't know that we'll ever know all the details or
whether we should know all the details
but like to suspend a coach for a year you might as well just
fire.
Or let them resign and and figure out the best way.
Personal differences, whatever, right?
Because
I don't even want.
I'm like uncomfortable, even going into
the consensual and all that, like that. Like that's why
I said this is
to me, like it's sad because you're talking about a coach
that I think could end up having a Hall of Fame career.
Just went to the finals.
What? Young and up, and up and coming coaches at a lot of
young black coaches. Look up to that Nigeria.
Looks up to
he's somebody that has had an impact globally.
I saw him at the hall of fame. He was there. You know, played
part of the Spurs dynasty was there supporting Ginobili when
he went into the Hall of Fame. So
again, I don't not knowing the details. I'm, I don't want to
play judge and jury here,
but it's
You know, when stuff like this happens to a coach, then
if you're an assistant coach,
your job is done.
Like the probably, they know. I know guys on that staff.
That, you know, if the things don't go well this season
there, even if they do go, well, they probably have lost
their jobs.
so, that's what I mean, it's
one of the sad days and Celtic history
will be Unforgettable day and after effects of this
could be could last for decades
All right. Now, can I push back against something? You said
Mark, you said that this could, you know, the put the Scarlet
Letter on him you don't gotta
and and maybe affects his career.
Yes and no. Okay yes, yes it what you said is true but
is that is that the way we should be looking at or team
should be looking at it? You know, there are players. I'm
not talking about me.
How people to go
down that route because there are players
who have
all sorts of things in their background and the players that
we admire and
well. But you said, after a while
it's different, though, when you could average 30 a game,
When you're somebody that could average 30 or 40 a game like
you could get away, huh?
So I'll say how many stars do you know
that as soon as they weren't
that were headaches,
that as soon as they weren't able to deliver on that Elite level
careers came to an end.
Because people didn't want to deal with the demon stuff
anymore. As long as coaches our coaches, our coaches, they'll
probably be. I hope I'm wrong. But hey, you know what? We'll
go with another coach just because,
you know, we don't want to. I think part of the problem
would Kaepernick's ability to come back.
This is a whole different subject is
that, I think a lot of teams just don't want the potential
circus that comes with bringing Kaepernick back, doesn't even
have anything to do with that ability to play.
It's well do we want National media there every day? Do we
want to deal with the criticism that has nothing to do with
football? It's all off the court stuff.
So I just don't trust our society. I don't trust these
owners to be forgiving.
Yeah, I think the Celtics and it's just like, dude. So
there's that too, you know. So, you know. Yeah yeah.
Well well listen listen, I think the Celtics are jumping
into some deep deep deep waters
on this if the story. So because I need some more
information
to make this make sense. If
if it's a consensual relationship and we're talking
about adults,
I'm not what I'm not talking about the Dynamics of hey
Yeah, you violated your vows whatever. No no no. I'm just
about it's a consensual relationship between adults.
Yes. Team policy.
You don't want that.
Yeah, but it's not like he did anything wrong.
That's debatable. That Celtics think is wrong because it's
their policy. But if you talk to, if you talk to 30 people,
you know, if we just take a sample, we just scoop up 30
people right now,
listening to us.
I bet you was 15 15 18.
16 14. It's debatable. Yeah. And to say, well, I cuz it begs
the question.
Begs the question for them after everything comes out was
this worth it.
Right. Was it worth it for everybody involved?
Because there are going to be
a lot of people
that are going to, you know, careers are going to be
affected lives, will be affected. It's deeper than
the people involved in the franchise.
It's
I mean, just like I said, just the fact I got a tweet some out
just so somebody could
Hopefully feel like their names not drug through the mud.
Yeah, you know, that's that, that just shows you like
and, and it's what, it's, what 4:00 there. And we haven't
heard nothing from this franchise. Like
that's not that's not good for the, for is like deeper than
those two people. It's,
there's a lot of pain going on with this right now.
Yeah, yeah. So there's some more developments on this story
and I'm sure we'll talk about it as developments
come out. Let's talk about some basketball before we before we
get you out of here
story
that we're going to stay on.
Well,
as we talked about him yesterday,
we thought our quick Donna, give me a quick down. I'm
sorry. Quick thought on on his
decision to sell the team.
I really hope that they give an opportunity
for
black and female ownership,
and there's one way that maybe he could save face
and Garner some,
you know,
maybe maybe some pay like alright,
some forgiveness. Maybe that's the way to do it
is bring some black and female ownership into the new group is
ultimately
he's going to be in control.
Who is the next owner?
This is something that a lot of people forget
but I'm glad he's out.
Yeah, you and me both,
let's talk some balls. Same stay in the western conference.
Let's talk about Dame.
You had a story
on him. Tell us about it.
Yeah, you know, Damian Lillard is a fascinating guy
and he is close with this new contract extension to making
a half a billion dollars on the basketball court in his career.
And so it to me, it was easy just to ask them
to simple. Same question over and over. Are you, you coming
back or not day. All right, now may I want to go deeper with
this do
and so we just talked about a generational wealth and
how he's been able to help family members. And, and the
The pressures that come with that and I think he's done
an amazing job of empowering. His family members
where
you know I heard his brother was big into real estate and he
gave them money to help with that and if people are in Peril
and his family are in a real
struggling manner, he helps them with that. But he'd he'd
rather you come with him with a plan
and help you in that way and it feels good to him like when he
got his first NBA check he actually is mom had been
On her job. When he signed his first contract with left
Portland, went back to Oakland, went to her job, in Oakland
suburb walk in with a box and said, mom you're out, we quit
And why? So it just shows like the power of money and he
didn't come from money,
but he was saying that how his dad taught him the value,
the money, and he has, and use it in the right way. So
I think that
that's something that is interesting. When players now,
we talk so much about
how much like, you know, Boston, your boss went Antoine
Walker like guys that have lost money. What about the guys that
are doing great things with their money
and so he's, he could
When it's all said and done and his life be a billionaire but
his three kids are,
you know how generational wealth that will affect his
family long after they long after he's gone. So it was just
great for him
to reflect on what he's been able to do
and how he's been able to impact his family in an amazing way.
I love that, man.
I love, I love the stories that you tell you such a great
Storyteller. Seriously, man, I'm I'm not, I would say that
to you,
I'd say that. If you're not around, I talk about you behind
your back. And I say, Marc Spears. Really gets people to
open up and tell stories that we usually don't hear.
I appreciate you man. And thank, you
know, happy bottle of wine, I took up that bottle of wine,
waiting for your drink, it, we going to take it just make sure
you frigerator correctly,
All right, brother.
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