has a lot
to congress it'll be interesting to see if there's any responsibility for that
uh...
we know uh... that
this is also indicated
of any real problem we have
we and our national security apparatus
that there are billions of dollars
well the it's prob matic into its one is that we have incentivize an entire
industry
to increase the um...
to increase the national security state
the other thing that we know
from
docking to thomas drake and to ensure kindergarten right
is that in the case of thomas drake
the reason why you is indicted under the espionage act
a prosecution which ultimately failed
the reason why
at last report the guy was working and apple store
when he was
what to three or four
early in the n_s_a_ at one point
uh...
was that he
the whistle on a program called trailblazer
and trailblazer was a massive boondoggle
which was too
replace
a
pre-existing program named thin thread
this was any now or are you now anymore narrowly tailored program
that was in place prior to nine eleven
it had privacy protection built in
it was much more targeted
his boss at the n_s_a_ basically threw that out
brian trailblazer which was an outsource program
was
incredibly sloppy
was much more uh... along the lines of a dragnet
was extremely costly in over budget
he
attempted to blow the whistle on this
he was pursued uh... for
espionage
into the obon administration
despite the fact that the
special investigator for the n_s_a_
had found that his claims were accurate
congress later scrap trailblazer because it was so obvious that it was a
boondoggle
and that is a perfect case of a whistle-blower
being attacked on national security grounds
as a traitor
because he was getting in the way of somebody making a buck
that issue is raised by
just the existence
of a guy who could be working at a booz allen or as
what i understand now
he was working for daryl
havoc why confirmed but he
he was working for some other private entity under an essay contract before he
was working at booz allen
even while he was contacting glenn greenwald in january
and uh... laura pointers
but we'll get into that in in a in a in a bit
so you know about this uh...
expanded dragnet under fire zone
you know about prism
which uh... supposedly
we are being told by a couple members of the intelligence ah... committees in the
house in the senate
and by others for l
the new york city subway two thousand nine bomber plot
by afghan american named and not unanswerable uh... czars e
that claimed seems to be
species
there are british and american documents
that have come out of the uh... that person's convection
which contradict the claim that prison was involved
or was the primary source
used to locate
apprehend
and investigate this guy
apparently it was simply a british authorities
who had seized
the suspects uh... difference aspects computers
which included uh... email correspondence
between uh... saas ease contacts in pakistan
none of which points to
information that was
garnered through present
even is
he landed prison has been used in other instances
to supposedly for oil plots
that is not an argument that
it is
necessary
or that it's a good idea
certainly if we had listening devices in every person's home in this uh... this
country
that were surreptitiously uh... put into people's homes
we could also
not only cut down uh... greatly the threats to from terribly
it's like insurance fraud
things like uh... cheating on your taxes
things like
ca maybe stories about how you jump subway turnstile
uh... any plus the might have to murder someone
annie potts who might have to
rob a bank
uh... we would certainly also
undoubtedly if we had listening devices in every person's home
and in perhaps the boardrooms of every corporation in this country
we would stop a tremendous amount of corporate malfeasance
hahaha
uh... we could go on an aunt
where we draw the line
and
this was all a top secret program by the united states
aided in abetted by
literally millions of private uh... contractors
and billions of dollars of outsourced
contracts an ass a scary contracts
and it was all top secret
and there was no to blow the whistle on it how could you go in and say
that you have evidence that you're being listened to
or listened upon
well i found a bug you can't prove whose it is
so we won't you can't howell who easily
this is the problem that we're facing here
and
that is the value of this uh... it doesn't matter at that point gouv
snowden days
why he was motivated
that's all secondary
maybe church here
the existence of this guy regardless of who he is or how he came to this
information
or how we got into the position that he's in or how much she was paid
does not change these basic facts