"M>>> WITH US NOW WE GOT FORMER SECRETARY OF STATE JOHN KERRY.
HE’S OUT WITH A SWEEPING NEW
MEMOIR ENTITLED "EVERY DAY IS
EXTRA."
EXTRA." COULDN’T HELP AS I WAS LOOKING
THROUGH THE BOOK AND LOOKING AT
SOME OF THE PICTURES OF SOME OF
THE MORE IMPORTANT MOMENTS IN
YOUR LIFE, THERE, OF COURSE, IS
A PICTURE OF YOU WITH TED
KENNEDY AND A PICTURE WITH
ANOTHER SENATOR, A MAN WHO YOU
HAD SOME STRONG DISAGREEMENTS
WITH BECAUSE EVERYBODY HAD
STRONG DISAGREEMENTS WITH HIM
BUT YOU GUYS ENDED UP BEING
FRIENDS AND DOING SOME GREAT
THINGS TOGETHER, JOHN McCAIN.
WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS?
>> WELL, MISS HIM ALREADY, BUT
THE EXAMPLE IS EXTRAORDINARY.
A LOT OF PEOPLE SUGGESTED WE MAY
NOT SEE THE LIKES OF A JOHN
McCAIN AGAIN, PERHAPS IN THE
CONTEXT OF WAR, PRISONER OF WAR,
BUT WE NEED TO SEE SENATORS AND
CONGRESSMAN STANDING UP TODAY.
I MEAN I CAN’T THINK OF A MOMENT
WHERE IT IS MORE IMPORTANT FOR
PEOPLE TO DO THEIR DUTY, WHICH
THEY HAVE NOT BEEN DOING.
EVERYBODY IN WASHINGTON, JOE,
KNOWS WHAT’S GOING ON.
AND IT’S THE CHATTER I’VE HEARD.
YOU GUYS HAVE TALKED ABOUT HOW
YOU HAVE HEARD THESE THINGS.
WHAT BOB WOODWARD’S BOOK HAS
DONE IS CONFIRM.
BUT I THINK OUR BOOKS ARE
ACTUALLY COMPLIMENTARY.
ACTUALLY COMPLIMENTARY. BOB LAYS OUT THE PROBLEM.
BUT THIS BOOK SHOWS YOU HOW
AMERICA CAME THROUGH REALLY
TOUGH TIMES AND HOW WE CAN SOLVE
THE PROBLEM BY DOING OUR JOBS.
>> THAT’S WHAT I WANT TO ASK YOU
ABOUT AGAIN.
ABOUT AGAIN. FOLLOWUP ON YOU, YOUR
RELATIONSHIP WITH JOHN McCAIN.
IT SEEMS THAT THAT IS AN EXAMPLE
OF WHERE THIS COUNTRY NEEDS TO
GO BECAUSE FOR THOSE WHO DIDN’T
GO TO VIETNAM, YOU CERTAINLY
WENT THROUGH IT AND JOHN McCAIN
WENT THROUGH IT MORE PERSONALLY
THAN ALMOST EVERYBODY ELSE, YOU
GUYS WERE ON THE OPPOSITE SIDES
IN THAT DEBATE.
HE CAME BACK THINKING THAT YOU
HAD UNDERMINED AMERICA’S EFFORT.
YOU THOUGHT THAT THE WAR WAS
WRONGHEADED IN MANY WAYS.
AND YET, AGAIN, ON THE MOST
DIVISIVE ISSUE OF OUR TIME, YOU
GUYS FORGED A CONSENSUS, WENT
OVER TOGETHER AND HELPED
NORMALIZE RELATIONS WITH
VIETNAM.
VIETNAM. >> THAT’S WHY I THINK WHAT I’VE
TRIED TO WRITE IS IT’S NOT A
POLICY TONE.
POLICY TONE. IT’S A PERSONAL JOURNEY,
PERSONAL STORY ABOUT AMERICA,
ABOUT A YOUNG GUY WHO GREW UP IN
THE COLD WAR.
AND WHO FELT AS THE SON OF THE
GREATEST GENERATION, YOU HAVE TO
GO SERVE.
GO SERVE. JOHN McCAIN AND I CAME CAME TO
THE WAR FROM THE SAME PLACE, AND
IN AN EPIC FLIGHT WE HAD
TOGETHER, WHERE WE WEIRDLY
DIDN’T KNOW EACH OH, DIDN’T
TRUST EACH OTHER, WE TALKED INTO
THE NIGHT.
THE NIGHT. EVERYBODY ELSE IS SLEEPING AND
WE TALKED ON THAT PLANE AND WE
AGREED THE COUNTRY IS STILL
DIVIDED OVER VIETNAM.
WE HAVEN’T MADE PEACE HERE AT
HOME LET ALONE IN VIETNAM.
WE DECIDED TO WORK ON IT
TOGETHER.
TOGETHER. WE REALLY GOT TO KNOW EACH
OTHER.
OTHER. WE TRAVELED BACK TO VIETNAM
TOGETHER.
TOGETHER. IN A MOMENT I DESCRIBE IN THE
BOOK I STOOD IN JOHN McCAIN’S
CELL WITH JOHN McCAIN ALONE.
JUST THE TWO OF US.
AND I THOUGHT ABOUT THE JOURNEY
WE HAD MADE TOGETHER WHERE WE
SAID WE’LL MAKE PEACE WITH
VIETNAM, WE’LL MAKE PEACE IN
AMERICA.
AMERICA. THERE WE WERE THESE TWO GUYS WHO
DID COME FROM COMPLETELY
DIFFERENT POLAR OPPOSITES BUT WE
FOUND COMMON GROUND AND THERE WE
WERE IN HANOI OF ALL PLACES IN
HIS CELL SHARING THAT COMMON
GROUND.
GROUND. IT WAS A VERY, VERY MOVING
MOMENT AND INSPIRATIONAL TO ME.
>> I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT THE
OP-ED IN THE "NEW YORK TIMES,"
HAVING SERVED IN AN
ADMINISTRATION, YOU KNOW WELL
HOW THESE THINGS WORK.
BUT WE HAVE A PRESIDENT WHO IS
BREAKING NORMS BY THE DAY.
AREN’T THERE CONSEQUENCES TO
HEARING REPORTS LIKE WE’RE
HEARING IN BOB WOODWARD’S BOOK
LIKE WE’RE RAGED IN THE "NEW
YORK TIMES," MEMBERS OF THE
ADMINISTRATION BREAKING NORMS IN
RETURN?
RETURN? >> NO.
>> NO. IT’S REALLY PART OF OUR
CONSTITUTIONAL PROCESS AND PART
OF THE RIGHT OF ANY AMERICAN TO
SPEAK OUT AND YOU TAKE THE
CONSEQUENCES WHEN YOU DO.
GO BACK, AGAIN, THIS IS PART OF
THE HISTORY, DANIEL ELLSBERG
PEOPLE WHO SAW A HIGHER
RESPONSIBILITY TO COUNTRY.
WHAT BOTHERS ME ABOUT THIS
MOMENT RIGHT NOW IS EVERYBODY IN
WASHINGTON DOES KNOW THIS.
ALL THE REPUBLICANS KNOW THIS.
THEY KNOW DONALD TRUMP IS NOT
COMPETENT.
COMPETENT. NOT CAPABLE OF PERFORMING THE
RESPONSIBILITIES OF PRESIDENT.
AND IT HAS ENORMOUS
CONSEQUENCES.
CONSEQUENCES. RICHARD KNOWS WHAT LEADERS IN
OTHER COUNTRIES ARE SITTING
AROUND TALKING TO EACH OTHER
ABOUT NOW.
ABOUT NOW. IF YOU’RE A PUTIN OR A XI YOU’RE
ENGAGED IN ONE BELT ONE ROAD
PROJECT WITH A TRILLION DOLLARS
BEING SPENT IN 68 COUNTRIES.
YOU LOOK AT THE UNITED STATES
BOY THIS IS OUR OPPORTUNITY,
LET’S DRIVE IT TO THE HILT.
WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY LOST
CAUSE IN WHAT’S HAPPENING NOW.
NOBODY IS RECKONING THAT IN
WASHINGTON.
WASHINGTON. MEMBERS OF THE UNITED STATES
SENATE, THIS IS WHAT THE SENATE
WAS DEFINED FOR THIS MOMENT.
AND IT IS A MOMENT THAT CALLS ON
THEM TO DO THINGS THAT ARE
NECESSARY TO STOP GAP WHAT
DONALD TRUMP IS EITHER NOT DOING
OR NOT CAPABLE EVER DOING, AND
THERE ARE A WHOLE BUNCH OF
THINGS, I THINK.
BUT THE BIGGEST SINGLE
OPPORTUNITY WE HAVE RIGHT NOW, I
THINK, IS 2018.
WE CAN HAVE A COURSE CORRECTION
IN OUR OWN DEMOCRACY THAT
ACTUALLY REVITALIZES OUR
DEMOCRACY AGAIN I WRITE ABOUT
THAT IN THE BOOK.
GO BACK TO 1971, ’27.
’71 IS WHEN I PROTESTED WAR.
RICHARD NIXON WAS VERY POPULAR
THEN.
THEN. HE CARRIED 49 STATES IN ’72.
ONE YEAR LATER HE WAS GONE.
WHY?
WHY? BECAUSE PEOPLE DID THEIR JOBS.
THE INSTITUTIONS THAT WERE THERE
STOOD UP AND RESISTED.
WHEN I LOOK AT THIS MEMO, WHEN
THE "NEW YORK TIMES" SAYS
SENIOR, THEY MEAN SENIOR.
AND THEY WOULD NOT HAVE
PUBLISHED THIS BECAUSE THEY KNOW
THE CONSEQUENCES.
THE CONSEQUENCES. IF THEY DIDN’T HAVE CONFIDENCE.
THEY KNOW WHO IT IS.
AND I THINK WE HAVE TO,
THEREFORE, UNDERSTAND THE
IMPLICATIONS OF WHAT THIS PERSON
HAS DONE.
HAS DONE. WOULD I PREFER AS OTHERS HERE
WOULD THAT IT WERE PUBLIC, SURE
BUT IT DOESN’T DIMINISH THE
CONSEQUENCE OF IT.
>> WHAT OUGHT TO BE SECRETARY
KERRY THE MESSAGE OF DEMOCRATS.
2018 YOU SAW PRESLEY WINNING IN
MASSACHUSETTS.
MASSACHUSETTS. >> WORKED FOR ME FOR 15 YEARS.
GREAT LADY.
GREAT LADY. >> KNOCKED OFF A 20 YEAR
INCUMBENT THERE.
INCUMBENT THERE. I KNOW IT’S DISTRICT BY DISTRICT
BUT WHAT’S THE MESSAGE IF IT’S
NOT JUST ANTI-DONALD TRUMP
WHAT’S THE DEMOCRATS MESSAGE?
>> THE MESSAGE SHOULDN’T BE JUST
DONALD TRUMP.
DONALD TRUMP. EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THIS.
WE’RE WASTING TOO MUCH TIME ON
TWEETS AND DAILY THINGS.
WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT AMERICA’S
AGENDA.
AGENDA. WE NEED TO OFFER A BETTER WAY OF
MEETING THE NEEDS OF THE
AMERICAN PEOPLE.
AMERICAN PEOPLE. CITIZENS ON THE RIGHT, CITIZENS
ON THE LEFT ARE EQUALLY ANGRY AT
THEIR LOT IN LIFE BECAUSE THEIR
NEEDS ARE NOT BEING MET.
WHEN YOU HAVE 52% OF AMERICA’S
INCOME GOING TO 1% OF AMERICANS,
YOU HAVE AN UNSUSTAINABLE
POLITICAL EQUATION.
POLITICAL EQUATION. EVERYBODY IN AMERICA KNOWS THE.
AND THE REASON YOU WENT FROM
GINGRICH REVOLUTION TO TEA PARTY
TO FREEDOM CAUCUS TO DONALD
TRUMP AND HOSTILE TAKEOVER OF
THE REPUBLICAN PARTY WAS
FRUSTRATION WITH THE LACK OF
ADEQUATE RESPONSE.
ADEQUATE RESPONSE. SO WE HAVE IN TWO MONTHS A
REFERENDUM ON DONALD TRUMP, ON
ALL OF THIS.
BUT IT WON’T WORK IF WE’RE NOT
OFFERING AMERICA A WAY TO SHOW
THE INSTITUTIONS CAN WORK, HOW
THEY WORK AND, AGAIN, I COME
BACK TO THE BOOK.
I SHOW IN THE BOOK AGAIN AND
AGAIN HOW THE SENATE COULD WORK.
WHAT IT WAS LIKE WHEN I CAME
THERE IN THE 1980s, WHEN IT WAS
FUNCTIONING AND ABLE TO GET
THINGS DONE.
THINGS DONE. WE BALANCED THE BUDGET IN THE
1980s, FOLKS OPINION HERE WE ARE
WITH A COMPLETELY DYSFUNCTIONAL
WASHINGTON THAT ALSO IS LIVING
IN A KIND OF INSIDIOUS
CORRUPTION THAT COMES FROM MONEY
IN AMERICAN POLITICS AND
UNWILLINGNESS OF PEOPLE TO
PERFORM THEIR CONSTITUTIONAL
RESPONSIBILITY.
RESPONSIBILITY. >> LET’S TALK ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS
WHEN YOU DISAGREE WITH THE
EXECUTIVE, WHEN YOU DISAGREE
WITH THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED
STATES.
STATES. LET’S TALK ABOUT SYRIA, AND YOU
GAVE A SPEECH IN THE SUMMER
OF -- TWO, THREE SUMMERS AGO
ABOUT THE NEED TO TAKE ON SYRIA,
THE RED LINE.
THAT EVENING, THE DAY THAT YOU
GAVE THE SPEECH THE PRESIDENT OF
THE UNITED STATES WALKS AROUND
THE SOUTH LAWN WITH THE CHIEF OF
STAFF AND THEY CHANGE THE
DIRECTION THAT YOU WERE TAKING.
WHAT HAPPENS INTERNALLY WHEN YOU
DISAGREE WITH A DECISION MADE BY
THE PRESIDENT?
THE PRESIDENT? >> WELL, MICHAEL, I THINK IT
DEPENDS ON WHAT THE CONSEQUENCE
OF THE DECISION IS.
ON OCCASION YOU MAY FEEL YOU
HAVE TO RESIGN AS VANCE DID WHEN
A DECISION WAS MADE IN DESERT
ONE WHEN THEY TRIED MAKE A
RESCUES OF THE HOSTAGES AND IT
FAILED.
FAILED. DIFFERENT MOMENTS, DIFFERENT
CONSEQUENCES.
CONSEQUENCES. IN THIS CASE IT WASN’T A
REVERSAL OF THE DIRECTION WE
WERE GOING.
WERE GOING. IT WAS A DECISION BY THE
PRESIDENT TO TRY TO GET CONGRESS
TO PARTICIPATE IN IT.
AND THAT WAS A FAIR DECISION BY
ANY PRESIDENT TO MAKE,
PARTICULARLY ONE OR TWO DAYS
AFTER THE PRIME MINISTER OF
ENGLAND HAD GONE TO PARLIAMENT
FOR THAT VERY REASON AND IT
FAILED IN PARLIAMENT.
SO THAT AUGMENTED THE NEED TO
SAY WHOA IF IT FAILED THERE
THERE’S ALL THE MORE REASON TO
FEEL YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE
SUPPORT OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.
WE BELIEVED, JOE BIDEN BELIEVED,
I BELIEVED, THE PRESIDENT
BELIEVED, MOST OF US BELIEVED,
SUSAN RICE WAS THE ONLY ONE THAT
GOT IT RIGHT CONGRESS WOULDN’T
DO SOMETHING.
DO SOMETHING. WE THOUGHT CONGRESS WOULD
SUPPORT IT RAPIDLY AND WE WERE
WRONG.
WRONG. WE MISCALCULATED THAT.
WHAT HAPPENS, I THINK, YOU DO
YOUR BEST TO IMPLEMENT A
LEGITIMATE POLICY AND THE
PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES,
ONE MAT MADE SENSE IN THAT
MOMENT BUT, OBVIOUSLY, COST US,
ULTIMATELY, BECAUSE OF THE WAY
IT PLAYED OUT.
>> I WANT TO RAISE SYRIA AND
WHEN YOU WERE SECRETARY OF STATE
BECAUSE HERE WE ARE MEETING
TODAY AND TWO AND A HALF, THREE
MILLION SYRIANS ARE LIVING ON
DEATH’S FORDOOR.
DEATH’S FORDOOR. WE’RE ABOUT TO SEE THE FINAL
OFFENSIVE AND QUITE POSSIBLY
CRUSH THE OPPOSITION REMAINING
AND MILLIONS OF INNOCENT PEOPLE
THEIR LIVES ARE AT RISK.
WHEN YOU LOOK BACK AT THE LAST
SEVEN OR EIGHT YEARS WHAT
LESSONS SHOULD WE TAKE ABOUT
WHAT THE UNITED STATES DID AND
THE CONSEQUENCES OF WHAT WE
DIDN’T DO?
DIDN’T DO? >> SYRIA IS THE, IS ONE OF THE
FEW GREATEST SCARS THAT EXISTS
IN THE WORLD TODAY IN TERM OF
THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY’S
FAILURE TO STEP UP TOGETHER TO
FIND A SOLUTION.
I THINK THERE IS A SOLUTION.
I THINK WE PUT IT ON THE TABLE
IN U.N. RESOLUTION 2254 WHICH
ALL COUNTRIES INCLUDING IRAN,
RUSSIA AND INCLUDING THE
COUNTRIES WHO ARE NEIGHBORS,
TURKEY, ET CETERA, ALL AGREE ON
A WAY TO RESOLVE SYRIA BY
LETTING PEOPLE OF SIR ELECT A
NEW PRESIDENT UNDER A VERY
ACCOUNTEDABLE ELECTION, RUN BY
THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY,
WHICH WOULD BRING THE OPPOSITION
IN TO PARTICIPATE.
I MEAN EVERYBODY ACCEPTED THAT.
THE PROBLEM IS WE DIDN’T HAVE
ANY LEVERAGE TO BE ABLE TO DEAL
WITH ASSAD HIMSELF.
THE RUSSIANS DIDN’T STAND UP AND
HOLD HIM ACCOUNTABLE.
WHAT’S THE LESS SNON I WROTE HOW
I BELIEVE WE NEEDED TO STEP IN
AND EXERCISE AUTHORITY TO SHOW
WE’RE WILLING TO HOLD HIM
ACCOUNTABLE.
ACCOUNTABLE. >> INCLUDING THE USE OF FORCE?
>> IF HE WAS GOING TO FLY HIS
AIRPLANES AND DROP BOMBS ON
ALEPPO, WE HAD BACK UP THOSE
NORMS OF BEHAVIOR.
>> MR. SECRETARY, IN "EVERY DAY
IS EXTRA" YOU DETAIL HOW YOU
CAME BACK FROM VIETNAM A
DISILLUSIONED YOUNG MAN AND I
JUST WONDER WHAT YOU BELIEVE THE
MESSAGE IS FROM THIS BOOK TO
YOUNG AMERICANS TODAY WHO MAY BE
DISILLUSIONED IN POLITIC,
WHETHER THEY ARE LIBERALS WHO
CAN’T BELIEVE WHAT HAPPENED IN
2016, OR YOUNG CONSERVATIVES WHO
CAN’T BELIEVE WHAT HAPPENED IN
2016, OR YOUNG INDEPENDENTS WHO
LOOK AT BOTH SIDES AND SAY NO
THANKS I’M CHECKING OUT OF THE
SYSTEM.
SYSTEM. EARLIER YOU TALKED ABOUT HOW
QUICKLY THINGS CHANGED BETWEEN
NOVEMBER ’72 AND AUGUST ’74.
>> MY MESSAGE IS, YOU KNOW, THEY
HEAR THE WORDS FROM POLITICIANS
BUT DON’T ALWAYS BELIEVE THEM.
THAT EACH INDIVIDUAL CAN REALLY
MAKE A DIFFERENCE.
THAT’S EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED
BACK THEN.
BACK THEN. EARTH DAY, 20 MILLION PEOPLE
COME OUT, TRANSLATE IT INTO A
MOVEMENT THAT MADE THE ISSUE A
VOTING ISSUE AND TARGETED THE 12
WORST VOTES IN CONGRESS LABELLED
THEM THE DIRTY DOZEN.
SEVEN OF THE 12 LOST THEIR
SEATS.
SEATS. CLEAN AIR PASSED.
SAFE DRINKING WATER.
COASTAL ZONE MANAGEMENT.
EPA SIGNED INTO LAW BY RICHARD
NIXON.
NIXON. YOUNG PEOPLE MADE THAT HAPPEN.
THAT HAPPENED BECAUSE PEOPLE
TOOK A SEMESTER OFF FROM
COLLEGE.
COLLEGE. ALL OF IT CAME FROM THIS ENERGY
FOR THE PEACE MOVEMENT, FOR
WOMEN, FOR EQUAL RIGHTS
AMENDMENT.
AMENDMENT. THESE THINGS WERE HAPPENING.
ONCE SOME OF THOSE THINGS WERE
ACCOMPLISHED PEOPLE WENT TO
SLEEP AND BACKED OFF.
WE HAVE TO REJUVENATE,
RE-ENERGIZE OUR DEMOCRACY.
HERE’S THE MAGIC NUMBER.
54.2.
54.2. 54.2% OF THE ELIGIBLE AMERICANS
VOTED IN 2016.
WHEN I RAN IN ’04, THE ELIGIBLE
VOTE WAS 60.4%.
WHEN BARACK OBAMA WAS ELECTED IN
’08 IT WAS 62.3%.
AND THEN IT DROPPED DOWN IN THE
RE-ELECT TO 58%.
LAST TIME IT WAS 52.4%, AL GORE.
SO THE LESSON IT’S NOT THE
PEOPLE WHO DID VOTE WHO ELECTED
DONALD TRUMP IT’S PEOPLE WHO
DIDN’T VOTE.
DIDN’T VOTE. YOUNG PEOPLE NEED TO UNDERSTAND
THE IMPORTANCE OF THE VOTE.
HISTORICALLY THEY DON’T ALWAYS
TURN OUT.
TURN OUT. WE HAVE TO MOTIVATE PEOPLE.
CLIMATE CHANGE.
CLIMATE CHANGE. I CAN’T THINK OF AN ISSUE THAT
WILL MOTIVATE, HERE HEADING TO
FOUR DEGREES SCENECENTIGRADE IN
CENTURY.
CENTURY. HOTTEST TEN YEARS IN RECORDED
HISTORY.
HISTORY. LAST YEAR THE HOTTEST YEAR IN
HISTORY.
HISTORY. THE TEN YEARS BEFORE THAT, THE
SECOND HOTTEST TEN YEARS.
THE TEN YEARS BEFORE THAT, THE
THIRD HOTTEST TEN YEARS.
ISN’T THERE A MESSAGE FROM THAT
SOMEWHERE WHEN PRESIDENT XI,
PRESIDENT PUTIN, ALL THESE
PEOPLE AREED A HEARING TO THE
PARIS AGREEMENT AND ONLY DONALD
TRUMP WITHOUT A SHRED OF
EVIDENCE, WITHOUT A SHRED OF
FANTASTIC FACT PULLS OUT.
THESE ARE THE ISSUES I BELIEVE
WILL MOTIVATE PEOPLE AND OVER
THE NEXT TWO MONTHS, WHETHER
IT’S HEALTH CARE OR EDUCATION OR
OPPORTUNITY OR FAIR WAGES, WE
HAVE A MESSAGE.
AND WE NEED TO TAKE THAT OUT AND
GET YOUNG INFORMATION ORGANIZE
AROUND IT.
AROUND IT. >> THE MEMOIR IS TITLED "EVERY
DAY IS EXTRA."
FORMER SECRETARY OF STATE JOHN
KERRY.
KERRY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
AND RICHARD HAAS THANK YOU AS
WELL.
WELL. >> WE’LL BE REPLAYING YOUR
TESTIMONY TODAY.
TESTIMONY TODAY. >> THE RATINGS WILL --
>> THAT’S RIGHT.
>> YES.
>> YES. ALL RIGHT.
ALL RIGHT. STILL AHEAD -- THANK YOU VERY
MUCH.
MUCH. STILL AHEAD FORMER VICE
PRESIDENT JOE BIDEN HITS THE
CAMPAIGN TRAIL AND APPEARS TO
TAKE A SHOT AT HILLARY CLINTON.