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>> IN THE YEARS SINCE THE
SIGNING OF THE BILL IN 2015 COME
UP UNTIL PRESIDENT TRUMP'S
UNILATERAL WITHDRAWAL,
ABANDONING OUR ALLIES AGAINST
THE ADVICE OF HIS ADVISORS,
THERE WERE NO PROXY ATTACKS BY
IRANIAN PROXIES ON U.S.
PERSONNEL IN IRAQ.
THERE WILL NO EFFORTS BY IRAN TO
ATTACK OUR DRONES IN THE
PERSIAN GULF OR ATTACK.
THEY STRIPPED VERIFICATION AND
INSPECTIONS.
>> Shannon: FORMER NATIONAL
SECURITY ADVISOR AND AMBASSADOR
SUSAN RICE DEFENDING THE IRAN
NUCLEAR DEAL.
BUT FOX NEWS REPORTING FROM THE
END OF THE OBAMA ERA CASTS SOME
DOUBT ON SOME OF THE CLAIMS THAT
SHE IS MAKING TODAY.
HERE'S WHAT WE FOUND BACK THEN.
THE SANE.
>> IT'S BEEN REPORTED
PRESIDENT OBAMA SUGGESTED
NUMEROUS TIMES BY DOING THIS
DEAL THAT IRAN WOULD EVENTUALLY
MODERATE ITS NONNUCLEAR
BEHAVIOR.
DO YOU THINK THAT HAS HAPPENED?
>> JUST THE OPPOSITE.
EVERY SINGLE ACTION THE IRANIANS
HAVE TAKEN HAVE BEEN BOLDER AND
STARKER THAN THE ONES THEY TOOK
BEFORE THE AGREEMENT.
>> HAS THE SUPPORT FOR HEZBOLLAH
OR HAMAS DROPPED OFF?
>> NOT AT ALL.
>> MODIFIED?
>> IF ANYTHING, GREATER.
>> SUPPORT FOR BASHAR AL-ASSAD
CHANGED?
>> NONE.
>> MILITARY ALLIANCE MODERATED?
>> STRONGER.
>> LEON PANETTA, SECRETARY OF
DEFENSE FROM 2011 TO 2015
LARGELY SUPPORTS THE PRESIDENT'S
IRAN NUCLEAR DEAL WHICH IS THE
PRESIDENT'S POLICY LACKS ONE
CRUCIAL INGREDIENT.
>> WHAT IS MISSING IS THE LARGER
STRATEGY.
OF CONTAINING IRAN.
AND MAKING VERY CLEAR THAT EVEN
THOUGH WE HAVE NEGOTIATED THIS
AGREEMENT, WE ARE NOT GOING TO
ALLOW IRAN TO BE ABLE TO EXERT
THEIR INFLUENCE IN THAT REGION.
THEY HAVE TO DEAL WITH THEM FROM
A POSITION OF STRENGTH.
NOT FROM A POSITION OF WEAKNESS.
>> Shannon: ALL RIGHT.
SO DID FORMER PRESIDENT OBAMA'S
LEGACY IRAN NUCLEAR DEAL CHANGE
THE WORLD REGIME BEHAVIOR FOR
THE BETTER OR WORSE?
LET'S BRING IN TEXAS REPUBLICAN
CONGRESSMAN DAN CRENSHAW WHO
SITS ON THE HOMELAND SECURITY
COMMITTEE, IT ALSO A FORMER
NAVY SEAL HIMSELF.
CONGRESSMAN, ALWAYS GOOD TO HAVE
YOU BACK.
>> GOOD TO BE WITH YOU, SHANNON.
>> Shannon: WE'VE SEEN THE
LAST 24 HOURS AND BEYOND THAT, A
FULL ROLLOUT OF FORMER OBAMA
ADMINISTRATION OFFICIALS WHO
WERE PART OF PUTTING TOGETHER
THIS NUCLEAR DEAL, AND IN MANY
THE CASES, SAY WE GOT TO THIS
POINT BECAUSE THIS PRESIDENT
PULLED OUT OF IT.
YOUR RESPONSE?
>> WELL, THEY ARE OBSESSED WITH
DEFENDING THEIR STRATEGY OF
APPEASEMENT.
THEY THOUGHT THE BEST WAY TO
DEAL WITH IRAN WAS TO PAY THEM
OFF, SEND OVER PALLETS FULL OF
CASH, UNFREEZE THEIR ASSETS,
LIFT SANCTIONS, AND THEN HOPE
FOR CHANGE, RIGHT?
REMEMBER PRESIDENT OBAMA'S THEME
WAS HOPE AND CHANGE, AND THAT
WAS THEIR FOREIGN POLICY, AS
WELL.
IT DIDN'T WORK, AND IT'S TIME TO
EXCEPT THAT.
WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED IS THE
IRANIANS WERE ENRICHED AND
THEREFORE ABLE TO FUND THEIR
QUDS FORCE MORE AND DESTABILIZE
THE REGION, DESTABILIZES SYRIA,
YEMEN, FUND SLEEPER CELLS IN
BAHRAIN, SHIA MILITIAS.
ISSUE FOR FORGETTING THE 600
DEATHS OF AMERICAN SOLDIERS THAT
WERE THE RESULT OF A RAINY AND
MADE IEDs?
TO SAY THIS ALL STARTED AFTER
TRUMP, THIS IS ANOTHER
MISCONCEPTION THE DEMOCRATS LIKE
TO PEDDLE, WHICH OF THAT HISTORY
BEGAN WITH DONALD TRUMP.
HISTORY BEGAN WITH THE KILLING
OF SOLEIMANI.
DID NOT BEGIN WITH THE KILLING
OF SOLEIMANI.
'S 1979, ACTUALLY.
THEY WERE IMPORTING U.S. NAVY
VESSELS IN THE GULF.
SINCE THEN, THEY BOMBED OIL
TANKERS, SAUDI OIL FACILITIES,
OUR BASES, AND THEN ATTACK OUR
EMBASSY AND KILLED AN AMERICAN
CITIZEN.
TO SAY THAT THEY WEREN'T THE
ONES ESCALATING OUT OF
DESPERATION IS TO DENY THE
FACTS.
>> Shannon: OKAY, SO JUST TO
BE CLEAR, SHE WAS TALKING WITH
THE YEARS SINCE THE SIGNING OF
THE DEAL UP UNTIL THE PRESIDENT
WITHDREW, SHE WAS SAYING THAT
WAS A GOOD TIME.
>> ALSO NOT TRUE.
>> Shannon: HER STATEMENT,
OKAY, SO BEN RHODES ALSO PART OF
THAT SAID THERE WERE NO ROCKET
ATTACKS.
HE GETS A SPECIFIC COME AGAINST
U.S. INTERESTS IN IRAQ DURING
THE IRAN DEAL.
THOSE BEGAN AFTER TRUMP PULLED
OUT OF THE IRAN DEAL AND
ESCALATED SANCTIONS, WHICH
WASN'T
WASANT
WASAN ENTIRELY PREDICTIVE OF
CONSEQUENCE.
SO WHAT HAPPENED THE LAST
24 HOURS, WE SHOULD HAVE
KNOWN -- YOU HEARD MANY PEOPLE
SAY THE MAXIMUM PRESSURE
CAMPAIGN IS BACKFIRING ON THIS
PRESIDENT.
HOW DO YOU RESPOND TO THEM?
>> WELL, IT'S JUST NOT TRUE.
I'M NOT GOING TO LISTEN TO
SOMEONE LIKE BEN RHODES, WHO
EFFECTIVELY ADMITTED TO LYING TO
THE RECORD PEOPLE AND CREATING
AN ECHO CHAMBER IN THE MEDIA TO
GET THE IRAN DEAL THROUGH.
THE REALITY IS THE JCPOA, THE
IRAN DEAL, LEFT US WEAKER, IT
LEFT US WITH A SITUATION WHERE
YOU INTEND TO MARK 15 YEARS,
HAVE TO FIND A WAY TO
RENEGOTIATE THAT DEAL AGAINST A
MUCH WEALTHIER AND MORE
POWERFUL IRAN, AND WE WOULD HAVE
POWERFUL IRAN, AND WE WOULD HAVZ
POWERFUL IRAN, AND WE WOULD HAVR
POWERFUL IRAN, AND WE WOULD HAVO
LEVERAGE, AS YOU PLAYED A CLIP
OF LEON PANETTA, HE SAID
SOMETHING IMPORTANT, WE HAVE TO
NEGOTIATE FROM A POSITION OF
STRENGTH, NOT WEAKNESS.
AGAINST THE OBAMA
ADMINISTRATION, THE IRANIANS
KNEW THERE WERE NO RED LINES.
OKAY NO ACTUAL DETERRENCE
AGAINST THE OBAMA
ADMINISTRATION.
THEY KNEW THAT.
THE IRANIANS WERE NEGOTIATING
FROM A POSITION OF STRENGTH.
FOR A COUPLE OF REASONS.
ONE, THEY ARE MORE PATIENT,
WHILE THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION
NEEDED THE FOREIGN POLICY WIN
AND WORK GOING AWAY TOO MUCH TO
GET IT.
ONCE I GOT IT, THERE WAS NO
CONTAINMENT STRATEGY.
THERE WAS NO TALKING ABOUT THE
MALIGN INFLUENCE THROUGHOUT THE
REGION, THE MISSILE PROGRAM.
YOU CAN'T SEPARATE THOSE THINGS,
IT DID THEY DELAY NUCLEAR
WEAPONS, POSSIBLY, BUT RECENT
INTELLIGENCE, ESPECIALLY OUR
ISRAELI PARTNERS, THE IRANIANS
WERE PLANNING ON CHEATING ON
THAT.
IN ANY CASE, WE WERE GOING TO BE
LEFT IN A POSITION WITH 10 TO 15
YEARS WHERE WE HAD NO MORE
LEVERAGE, AND THAT'S A DIFFICULT
POSITION TO BE IN, AND AT SOME
POINT, WE HAVE TO DISRUPT THE
ESCALATION THAT THE IRANIANS
WERE ENGAGING INCOME AND GAIN
BACK THAT THAT LEVERAGE, BECAUSE
THEY HAD -- THEY HAD NO PATH
TOWARD NORMALIZING AND JOINING
THE GLOBAL ORDER, AT ALL AT ALL.
>> Shannon: WELL, WE KNOW THE
PRESIDENT HAS NOW CALLED ON NATO
TO GET INVOLVED, AND OUR
EUROPEAN ALLIES AND OTHERS THAT
WERE PARTY TO THE DEAL TO WALK
AWAY FROM IT.
IRAN HAS SIGNALED THEY CONSIDER
THEMSELVES TO BE OUT OF IT, AS
WELL.
WE WILL WATCH AND WAIT AS THEY
PROMISED MORE RETRIBUTION, AND
HAVING SERVED THERE ON THE FRONT
LINES, CONGRESSMAN, YOU KNOW
THAT MEANS TO OUR MEN AND WOMEN.