>> Steve: GERMANY IS CANADA'S LARGEST EXPORT MARKET IN THE EUROPEAN UNION.
IT IS ALSO, OF COURSE, A STRATEGICALLY ESSENTIAL NATO ALLY.
WITH US NOW ON THE ONGOING TIES BETWEEN OUR COUNTRIES, WE WELCOME:
AT THE GERMAN EMBASSY IN OUR NATION'S CAPITAL: SABINE SPARWASSER, GERMANY'S
AMBASSADOR TO CANADA; AND, IN THE DOVERCOURT PARK NEIGHBOURHOOD OF ONTARIO'S
CAPITAL CITY, THERE'S: YVONNE DENZ, SHE'S PRESIDENT AND CEO OF THE CANADIAN-GERMAN
CHAMBER OF INDUSTRY AND COMMERCE.
IT'S GREAT TO WELCOME YOU TWO ONTO TVO TONIGHT.
I JUST WANT TO START BY PUTTING A BIT OF BACKGROUND IN PLACE FOR THOSE WHO ARE PERHAPS LESS AWARE
OF THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THE GERMAN-CANADIAN RELATIONSHIP, STARTING WITH THE FACT THAT
NEARLY $24 BILLION WORTH OF GOODS WERE TRADED LAST YEAR BETWEEN OUR TWO COUNTRIES AND
THAT'S ACTUALLY DURING A PANDEMIC YEAR.
GERMANY IS CANADA'S SIXTH LARGEST TRADING PARTNER WORLDWIDE AND OUR LARGEST EXPORT
MARKET IN THE EUROPEAN UNION.
CANADIAN EXPORTS TO GERMANY IN 2020 WERE WORTH NEARLY $6.5 MILLION.
OUR NUMBER ONE EXPORT TO GERMANY IS MINERALS.
OUR NUMBER ONE EXPORT IS MACHINERY, FOLLOWED CLOSELY BY AUTOMOTIVE, AND THERE ARE 700
GERMAN COUNTRIES CURRENTLY BASED IN CANADA.
NOW, MADAM AMBASSADOR, LET ME ASK YOU A BIT OF A STRANGE QUESTION TO GET STARTED BECAUSE
MY SUSPICION IS A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T KNOW HOW DEEP THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN OUR TWO
COUNTRIES IS.
SO IS THIS A BIT OF AN UNDERSTATED RELATIONSHIP THAT CANADA AND GERMANY HAVE?
>> Sabina Sparwasser: YES.
THANK YOU SO MUCH, STEVE.
YOU ARE SO RIGHT.
THIS IS A VERY DEEP AND VERY RICH RELATIONSHIP BASED ON A VERY LIKE-MINDED KIND OF MINDSET
THAT OUR TWO POPULATIONS HAVE.
WE ALSO HAVE DEEP ROOTS.
WE HAVE ABOUT 10% OF CANADIANS WHO SAY THEY ARE OF GERMAN ORIGIN AND OUR COUNTRIES REALLY
LIKE EACH OTHER.
REGULARLY IT COMES OUT IN OPINION POLLS THAT CANADIANS AND GERMANS ARE VERY DEEPLY ATTACHED
TO EACH OTHER.
IS THERE ROOM TO GROW?
IS THERE A LOT OF SPACE TO DEVELOP OUR RELATIONSHIP FURTHER IN THE CURRENT INTERNATIONAL
CONTEXT?
I WOULD DEFINITELY SAY THERE IS.
>> Steve: YVONNE DENZ, WHAT WOULD YOU ADD TO THAT IN TERMS OF DO YOU THINK WE HAVE A BIT OF
AN UNDERSTATED RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE TWO COUNTRIES?
>> Yvonne Denz: MAYBE IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT AS LIKE AN OLD MARRIED COUPLE.
WE GET ALONG GREAT.
BUT ONCE IN A WHILE I THINK IT WOULD HELP TO JUST SIT BACK AND LOOK AT EACH OTHER AND THINK:
WHAT ELSE CAN WE DO TOGETHER?
WHERE CAN WE COOPERATE EVEN MORE?
>> Steve: WELL, YVONNE, IF WE'RE AN OLD MARRIED COUPLE, WHAT DO WE FIGHT ABOUT?
>> Yvonne Denz: THERE'S VERY LITTLE WE FIGHT ABOUT.
I THINK FOR THE LONGEST TIME IT WAS A FORMER GERMAN ARMS DEALER WHO FLED TO CANADA AND THEN WAS
EXTRADITED.
BUT THAT WAS THE BIGGEST SPAT THAT I'M AWARE OF, AND THAT DATES DECADES BACK.
>> Steve: I REMEMBER THAT.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT -- >> YES.
>> Steve: MADAM AMBASSADOR, WHAT VALUES DO YOU THINK CANADA AND GERMANY SHARE NOWADAYS?
>> Sabina Sparwasser: WELL, WE ARE RIGHT NOW IN A SITUATION WHERE WE SEE A GLOBAL SHIFT OF
POWERS IN THE WORLD, AND I THINK CANADIANS AND GERMANS ARE BOTH VERY ATTACHED AND VERY -- TAKE
IT VERY SERIOUSLY TO SEE THAT WE DEFEND THE LIBERAL INTERNATIONAL WORLD BASED ORDER.
CANADIANS AND GERMANS ARE VERY RULES-ORIENTED, WE WANT PEACE, WE WANT GOOD GOVERNMENT.
AND I THINK THESE ARE REALLY BINDING VALUES.
WE ALSO HAVE THE SAME KIND OF UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT GOVERNMENT SHOULD DO, AND I THINK WE PUT
HIGH VALUE ON CIVILITY AND ON A SOCIETY WHERE EVERYBODY GETS ALONG AND WE TRY AND FIND
CONSENSUS.
>> Steve: LET ME, YVONNE DENZ, ASK YOU WHETHER -- I WANT TO COMPARE US IN TERMS OF THE FACT
THAT WE LIVE NEXT DOOR TO A VERY BIG COUNTRY THAT WE TRY HARD TO GET ALONG WITH AND DON'T ALWAYS
AND GERMANY LIVES NEXT DOOR TO A COUNTRY THAT IT TRIES TO GET ALONG WITH BUT DOESN'T ALWAYS.
DO WE HAVE THAT IN COMMON OR AM I MAKING THAT UP?
>> Yvonne Denz: I WOULDN'T REALLY SAY YOU'RE MAKING IT UP.
I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD BE FAIR.
BUT I THINK GERMANY IS MORE FOCUSED ON THE WORLD AND ON INTERNATIONAL TRADE, SO IT
VALUES ITS TRADING RELATIONSHIP WITH THE UNITED STATES AS MUCH AS CANADA, AND OF COURSE IT HAS
STRONG TIES TO CHINA AS WELL AND THE NEIGHBOUR, RUSSIA.
I THINK WHAT WE DO HAVE IN COMMON IS A SENSE OF COMMUNITY.
I THINK IN BOTH COUNTRIES, THERE IS AN UNDERSTANDING THAT SOMETIMES THE SOLIDARITY WITHIN
THE COMMUNITY IS EVEN MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE INDIVIDUAL.
I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE DEFINITELY SHARE.
>> Steve: AMBASSADOR, CAN YOU I GET YOU TO WEIGH IN ON THAT WOULD THE CANADIAN-AMERICAN
RELATIONSHIP AND THE GERMAN-RUSSIAN RELATIONSHIP, WOULD THEY BE THE SAME IN SOME
RESPECTS?
>> Sabina Sparwasser: I DON'T THINK SO.
GERMANY IS FOCUSED ON EUROPE.
WE KNOW RUSSIA IS A BIG NEIGHBOUR, IT'S AN IMPORTANT NEIGHBOUR, AND WE DO WANT TO
FIND COMMON GROUND WITH RUSSIA.
BUT IT ISN'T THE SAME KIND OF RELATIONSHIP AT ALL THAT CANADA HAS WITH THE U.S., WHICH IS ITS
LARGEST PARTNER, ITS BEST FRIEND WITH A HUGE UNDEFENDED BORDER.
I THINK THERE ARE HUGE DIFFERENCES.
AND WHEN IT COMES TO GERMANY, I THINK THE FOCUS IS [indiscernible] BUT WHEN YOU GO
BEYOND IT OUR MOST IMPORTANT PARTNERS ARE NORTH AMERICAN PARTNERS.
>> Steve: MAYBE I SHOULD REPHRASE THAT A BIT, AMBASSADOR.
MAYBE I SHOULD SAY WHEN DONALD TRUMP WAS PRESIDENT, IT DIDN'T FEEL LIKE WE WERE GOOD FRIENDS
WITH A LONG UNDEFENDED BORDER.
IT FELT LIKE WE WERE FIGHTING ALL THE TIME.
DO YOU -- IN THAT CASE, WOULD THE GERMAN-RUSSIAN RELATIONSHIP BE MORE LIKE THE
CANADIAN-AMERICAN ONE UNDER TRUMP?
>> Sabina Sparwasser: EVEN THERE, I THINK THERE ARE STILL VERY, VERY DEEP LINKS BETWEEN
CANADA AND THE U.S. AND EVERY TIME WHEN THE ADMINISTRATION WAS MORE COMPLICATED FOR CANADA, I
THINK THOSE TIES PREVAILED AND WERE VERY IMPORTANT STILL.
YOU MAKE A GOOD POINT.
IT IS IMPORTANT TO GET ALONG WITH OUR NEIGHBOURS.
RUSSIA HAS BEEN A VERY COMPLICATED NEIGHBOUR.
BUT YOU ALSO HAVE TO LOOK AT THE COMPARATIVE WEIGHT OF THOSE NEIGHBOURS.
I MEAN, THE UNITED STATES IS THE SUPERPOWER IN EVERY SENSE, IN TECHNOLOGY, ECONOMIC WEIGHT, IN
MILITARY TERMS, AND RUSSIA IS NOT IN THE SAME LEAGUE AND PARTICULARLY NOT IN ECONOMIC
TERMS.
>> Steve: NO, YOU'RE QUITE RIGHT.
I THINK RUSSIA'S ECONOMY IS SMALLER THAN CALIFORNIA'S, SO THAT'S A VERY GOOD POINT TO KEEP
THINGS IN PERSPECTIVE.
YVONNE DENZ, LET ME ASK YOU THIS: IF YOU ARE ADVISING GERMAN COMPANIES WHO WANT TO SET UP
BUSINESS IN CANADA OR DO BUSINESS IN CANADA, WHAT DO YOU TELL THEM?
>> Yvonne Denz: DON'T BE TOO GERMAN.
>> Steve: WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?
>> Yvonne Denz: THERE IS THIS -- IT'S A STEREOTYPE, BUT IT'S TRUE TO A CERTAIN EXTENT.
GERMANS ARE KNOWN TO BE BLUNT AND DIRECT.
AND SMALLTALK MIGHT NOT BE OUR BIGGEST STRENGTH.
SO WE TELL GERMAN COMPANIES THAT ARE COMING INTO THE MARKET HERE: GO ALONG WITH THE SMALLTALK AND
DON'T OPEN THE DOOR AND START WITH YOUR SALES PITCH.
AND MAYBE LET LOOSE A LITTLE BIT AND DON'T BE AFRAID TO SHARE STORIES AND JUST TALK.
>> Steve: WHAT DOES "LET LOOSE A LITTLE BIT" MEAN?
>> Yvonne Denz: JUST DO -- BE OKAY WITH BEING ADDRESSED BY YOUR FIRST NAME.
SO IN GERMAN, YOU STILL HAVE A VERY FORMAL WAY TO ADDRESS EACH OTHER WITH HEIR AND FRAU, LIKE
THE FRENCH VOUS.
IN CANADA YOU CAN USE YOUR FIRST NAME WHICH IS UNUSUAL FOR A GERMAN BUSINESS PERSON.
>> Steve: AMBASSADOR, IS THAT RIGHT?
ARE WE A LITTLE TOO INFORMAL FOR A GERMAN WHO WANTS TO DO BUSINESS HERE?
>> Sabina Sparwasser: MAYBE WE'RE A LITTLE TOO FORMAL BUT IT'S CHANGING IN GERMANY.
MY HUSBAND IS CANADIAN AND EVERYBODY AT MY EMBASSY CALLS HIM GARY AND THEY CALL ME FRAU,
SO THERE IS A CULTURAL DIFFERENCE, YEAH.
I THINK WE'RE LISTENING UP IN GERMANY AND THE FORMAL WAY IS QUICKLY LOSING OUT.
I WOULD SAY THERE'S ANOTHER THING THAT GERMANS -- I WOULD ADVISE GERMANS WHEN THEY LOOK AT
CANADA, AND THAT IS, LOOK AT THE GEOGRAPHY OF CANADA.
I MEAN, YOU LOOK AT GERMANY AND WE'RE 350,000 SQUARE KILOMETRES.
CANADA IS 9 MILLION KILOMETRES.
IT'S A VERY, VERY LARGE COUNTRY.
AND TORONTO IS NOT ALL OF CANADA.
>> Steve: NO, THAT'S A VERY GOOD POINT.
THE ENTIRE -- THE ENTIRE COUNTRY OF GERMANY COULD FIT INTO ONE OF OUR RIDINGS IN NORTHERN ONTARIO
ALONE.
SO THAT IS SOMETHING -- >> Sabina Sparwasser: THE SIZE OF BAFFIN ISLAND.
>> Steve: THERE YOU GO.
YOU FIND YOU HAVE TO REMIND GERMANS ABOUT THE VASTNESS OF CANADA, BECAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING
THAT WOULD NOT OCCUR TO THEM?
>> Sabina Sparwasser: WHEN YOU DO BUSINESS, YEAH.
BUT ON THE OTHER HAND WHEN YOU TALK TO THE POPULATION IN GERMANY, THERE'S A HUGE
FASCINATION WITH THE VASTNESS OF CANADA, AND CHANCELLOR KOHL ASKED PRIME MINISTER CHRETIEN TO
FLY HIM OVER THE ARCTIC, AND HE SAID IN THE PLANE, AND HE'S TEARS ROLLING DOWN HIS EYES
BECAUSE OF THE SHEER VASTNESS OF THE LAND.
>> Steve: INTERESTING.
OKAY.
PERHAPS, YVONNE DENZ, YOU COULD GIVE US SOME BRAND NAMES THAT WE WOULD RECOGNIZE WHEN IT COMES TO
GERMAN COMPANIES OPERATING IN CANADA.
WHO WOULD WE KNOW?
>> Yvonne Denz: I'M SURE YOU KNOW ALL THE CAR COMPANIES, MERCEDES BENZ, BMW, PORSCHE,
AUDI, VOLKSWAGEN.
THERE'S ALSO, IF YOU'RE IN YOUR KITCHEN, YOU TURN AROUND, YOU MIGHT SEE A MIELE APPLIANCE --
DISHWASHER OR A STOVE OR A FRIDGE.
THERE IS SIEMENS CANADA, WHICH IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST EMPLOYERS IN CANADA.
THEY DO AUTOMATION AND CYBER SECURITY, SMART GRIDS, MOBILITY SOLUTIONS.
>> Steve: SUBWAY CARS AND THAT TYPE OF THING?
>> Yvonne Denz: EXACTLY.
THEY DO THAT AS WELL.
THEN OF COURSE THERE'S AIRBUS, WHO BOUGHT THE PLANES FROM BOMBARDIER.
THERE'S YOUR CONSUMER BRANDS SUCH AS GUMMIBEARS, CHOCOLATE.
THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS.
I'M GOING TO STOP BEFORE I TELL YOU TOO MANY.
>> Steve: TELL ME THIS, THOUGH.
THERE'S -- I HEAR FROM CANADIAN BUSINESSPEOPLE ALL THE TIME THAT THIS IS SOMETIMES A VERY
DIFFICULT PLACE TO DO BUSINESS.
THE AMOUNT OF REGULATION, THE AMOUNT OF TAXATION -- I MEAN, I HEAR PEOPLE COMPLAINING ABOUT
THIS ALL THE TIME.
BASED ON THE GERMAN EXPERIENCE AND THE EXPERIENCE OF DOING BUSINESS IN GERMANY, IS CANADA A
MORE DIFFICULT OR EASIER PLACE TO DO BUSINESS THAN GERMANY?
>> Yvonne Denz: I THINK IT'S ABOUT THE SAME.
LIKE, I HEAR FROM THE GERMAN INDUSTRY HERE THEY'RE VERY HAPPY HERE.
THEY FEEL WELCOME.
THEY FEEL ACCEPTED AS CANADIAN COMPANIES, ACTUALLY.
OF COURSE, THERE'S RED TAPE, BUT THERE'S RED TAPE IN GERMANY AS WELL.
THERE'S BUREAUCRACY IN BOTH COUNTRIES.
IT'S VERY SIMILAR.
OF COURSE, ONCE IN A WHILE, THERE'S A COMPANY THAT RUNS INTO SMALLER ISSUES THAT WE, TOGETHER
WITH THE EMBASSY, TRY TO HELP.
BUT IN GENERAL, THEY'RE VERY HAPPY HERE.
>> Steve: AMBASSADOR, IS THIS STILL TOO DIFFICULT A PLACE, TOO MANY REGULATIONS, TOO CUMBERSOME
A PLACE FOR GERMANS TO DO BUSINESS?
>> Sabina Sparwasser: WELL, I THINK WE DO FIND RED TAPE, AND IN PARTICULAR THERE'S ONE THING
THAT I FIND THAT STRIKES US COMING FROM THE E.U., TRADE BORDERS BETWEEN PROVINCES.
I FIND THAT IS A HARD ONE TO EXPLAIN.
ON THE OTHER HAND, IT TAKES A LOT LESS TIME IN CANADA TO CREATE A BUSINESS THAN IT TAKES
IN GERMANY.
SO I THINK WE CAN BOTH LEARN FROM EACH OTHER AND TRY AND GET SOME OF THAT RED TAPE OUT OF THE
WAY.
>> Steve: AMBASSADOR, LET ME FOLLOW UP WITH THIS, BECAUSE DURING THE SUMMER TIME, I SPEND
A BIT OF TIME IN NORTHERN ONTARIO, AND INVARIABLY, IN THE TINIEST PLACES, I WILL RUN INTO
PEOPLE FROM GERMANY.
DO GERMANS -- I MEAN, IS THE CANADIAN WILDERNESS WELL-KNOWN IN GERMANY AS A PLACE TO COME
VISIT?
>> Sabina Sparwasser: YEAH.
OH, YEAH.
CANADA IS THE DREAMLAND FOR GERMANS IF THEY THINK ABOUT EMIGRATING FROM GERMANY, CANADA
AND AUSTRALIA ARE THE DREAMLAND.
GERMANS ARE EXTRAORDINARY TOURISTS.
THEY GO ANYWHERE.
WHEREVER YOU GO, YOU WILL FIND GERMANS.
AND IN PARTICULAR, NATURE.
IN NATURE WHERE YOU HAVE THAT FEELING IT'S NOT TOUCHED BY TOO MANY PEOPLE, COMING FROM OUR
SMALL BUT HIGHLY POPULATED COUNTRY, IT'S VERY, VERY COVETED.
>> Steve: BUT YOU DO HAVE THE BLACK FOREST IN GERMANY.
YOU KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT BEAUTIFUL NATURE.
SO I'M STILL ALWAYS SURPRISED WHEN I FIND SO MANY PEOPLE FROM GERMANY IN NORTHERN ONTARIO.
I ALWAYS WONDER WHY THAT HAPPENS.
>> Sabina Sparwasser: WELL, WE DO, AND WE USED TO HAVE MANY CANADIANS IN THE BLACK FOREST
WHEN THERE WAS STILL A MILITARY BASE.
AND WHENEVER I GO AROUND CANADA, I MEET ALL OF THESE CANADIANS TELLING ME FONDLY ABOUT THEIR
TIME IN GERMANY.
THAT'S ANOTHER GOOD CONNECTOR FOR US.
>> Steve: GOTCHA.
YVONNE DENZ, TELL ME THIS.
OBVIOUSLY BOTH COUNTRIES WOULD LIKE TO SEE AN EXPANSION OF THE RELATIONSHIP.
WHAT AREAS MIGHT THERE BE OPPORTUNITIES FOR EXPANDING EITHER BUSINESS OR TOURISM,
TRADE, WHATEVER?
>> Yvonne Denz: WELL, TOURISM, JUST NOW THAT THE BORDERS ARE OPEN, WE ALREADY SEE AN UPTICK
IN TOURISM AGAIN, SO PLEASE GO AND VISIT BEAUTIFUL GERMANY OR FOR THE GERMANS, COME IN AND
VISIT THE CANADIAN WILDERNESS OR ALSO THE CITIES.
FOR THE TRADE RELATIONSHIP, I SEE OPPORTUNITIES IN THE SPACE OF.
(Transition difficulty).
There is an opportunity to cooperate on artificial intelligence.
The shared values of all those countries can really help drive an ethical and sustainable use
of AI.
And the other one I would mention is green supply chains, which the vast majority of
minerals here in Canada, there's an opportunity to make your supply chain greener.
>> Steve: ALL RIGHT.
LET ME ASK THE AMBASSADOR ONE FINAL QUESTION, AND THAT IS: YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN VERY ACCUSTOMED
TO SEEING MUTTI AND ANGELA MERKEL IS ABOUT TO LEAVE AT SOME POINT WHEN YOU GET YOUR NEW
GOVERNMENT ORGANIZED.
HOW SURE CAN WE BE THAT THE NEW GOVERNMENT OF GERMANY WILL HAVE AS GOOD RELATIONS WITH CANADA AS
THE PREVIOUS GOVERNMENT DID?
>> Sabina Sparwasser: GERMANY HAS VOTED AND THE ONLY RESULT THAT WAS CLEAR IS ANGELA MERKEL
IS NOT RUNNING ANYMORE AND WE RECEIVED A LOT OF NICE -- GOOD WISHES FROM CANADIANS WHO
ADMIRED HER.
HAVING SAID THAT, THE NEW GOVERNMENT THAT IS STILL BEING ESTABLISHED RIGHT NOW -- WE HAVE
NEGOTIATIONS.
YOU KNOW, IN GERMANY, IT'S ALWAYS A COALITION GOVERNMENT THAT IS BEING ESTABLISHED AND WE
HAVE BASICALLY FOUR PARTIES WHO ARE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO BUILD A COALITION, FROM THE
CONSERVATIVES, THE SOCIAL DEMOCRATS, TO THE LIBERALS, AND THE GREEN PARTY.
IT IS QUITE LIKELY THAT THERE WILL BE A THREE-WAY COALITION, THAT'S QUITE LIKELY, AND IT'S
QUITE LIKELY THAT THE SOCIAL DEMOCRATS, THE LARGEST PARTY IN THE ELECTION, WILL BE IN THE
LEAD AND THAT THEIR LEADER SCHOLZ, WHO IS OUR FINANCE MINISTER RIGHT NOW, THAT
OLAF SCHOLZ MIGHT BE CHANCELLOR.
BUT THERE IS STILL AN OPTION THAT THE CHRISTIAN DEMOCRATS MIGHT GET IN.
WHATEVER THE RESULT OF THIS NEGOTIATION WILL BE, NUMBER ONE TAKE-AWAY FROM THE ELECTION IS
THE EXTREMES HAVE BEEN WEAKENED, THE PARTIES OF THE MIDDLE HAVE BEEN STRENGTHENED.
NUMBER TWO IS, ALL OF THOSE FOUR PARTIES I JUST MENTIONED ARE PARTIES OF THE MIDDLE, WITH A
STRONG EUROPEAN DEDICATION, A STRONG TRANSATLANTIC DEDICATION, AND PARTIES THAT WILL FORM
STABLE AND VERY RELIABLE GOVERNMENTS AND BE VERY GOOD PARTNERS FOR CANADA.
I THINK CANADA HAS ONLY FRIENDS IN GERMANY.
IT'S GOING TO BE NOT A PROBLEM AT ALL TO HAVE THAT CHANGE IN GOVERNMENT, BUT IT STILL WILL BE
INTERESTING BECAUSE WE WILL LOOK FOR WAYS TO WORK TOGETHER MORE, AND YVONNE HAS MENTIONED SOME
VERY IMPORTANT ONES.
ON CLIMATE CHANGE.
WE WILL NEED TO RAISE OUR LEVEL OF [indiscernible] AND WE WILL WANT TO WORK TOGETHER WITH
CANADA TO ESTABLISH HIGHER TARGETS IN ORDER TO MEET CLIMATE CHANGE.
WE WANT TO CREATE ALLIANCES OF THE LIKE-MINDED.
OLAF SCHOLZ THE LIKELY CHANCELLOR HAVE CREATED COUNTRIES WHO HAVE
HIGHER AMBITION ON CLIMATE CHANGE.
THAT IS GOING TO BE AN AREA WE'RE GOING TO WANT TO WORK TOGETHER.
AND IN ORDER TO DO THAT, WE WILL LOOK AT CANADA AS A PARTNER TO HELP US PRODUCE GREEN HYDROGEN,
BECAUSE GERMANY IS GOING TO BE THE BIGGEST MARKET.
CANADA COULD BE ONE OF THE WORLD'S BIGGEST PRODUCERS.
TO LOOK AT NATURAL RESOURCES BECAUSE WE DO NOT WANT TO DEPEND ON UNRELIABLE COUNTRIES.
CANADA IS A VERY RELIABLE COUNTRY.
SO THERE IS PLENTY OF SCOPE IN OUR RELATIONSHIP AND THIS IS HARVEST TIME.
>> Steve: WE WILL CONTINUE TO WATCH IT WITH GREAT INTEREST.
THANK YOU, AMBASSADOR, AND YVONNE DENZ, FOR JOINING US ON TVO TONIGHT.
>> Sabina Sparwasser: CHEERS >> Yvonne Denz: CHEERS