>>> DID YOU DISCUSS JOE BIDEN, HIS SON OR HIS FAMILY?
>> IT DOESN’T MATTER WHAT I
DISCUSSED.
DISCUSSED. I WILL SAY THIS, SOMEBODY OUGHT
TO LOOK INTO JOE BIDEN’S
STATEMENT.
STATEMENT. >> BUT IT DOES MATTER.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE LAW, IT
MATTERS A LOT.
THE WALL STREET JOURNAL
REPORTING THAT DONALD TRUMP WAS
PRESSING UKRAINE TO INVESTIGATE
HIS OPPONENT, POTENTIAL OPPONENT
JOE BIDEN.
JOE BIDEN. THE WHITE HOUSE COUNSEL IS
INVOLVED ACCORDING TO THE
WASHINGTON POST.
WASHINGTON POST. TRUMP DODGING THE QUESTIONS
ABOUT IF IT’S RELATED TO GETTING
DIRT ON BIDEN.
ALL OF THIS REVIVING QUESTIONS
ABOUT COLLUSION AND THE MORE
LEGAL TERM OF ART, CONSPIRACY.
DONALD TRUMP’S OWN APPOINTED
INSPECTOR GENERAL CALLS THIS AN
URGENT CONCERN AND DIFFERS WITH
THE INTEL CHIEF WHO HAS BEEN
WITH HOLDING IT FROM CONGRESS.
A DECISION HE CAME TO AS THIS
UNFOLDED WITH GUIDANCE FROM BILL
BARR’S JUSTICE DEPARTMENT.
THERE’S A LETTER TO THE INTEL
COMMITTEE THAT SAYS THERE’S A
RESPECTFUL DISAGREEMENT BECAUSE
THE MATTER DEALS WITH DNI’S
SIGNIFICANT AND IMPORTANT
RESPONSIBILITIES AND THE ACTING
INTELLIGENCE CHIEF HAS TO WITH
HOLD INFORMATION AND THAT MAY BE
ABOUT A GAP IN THE LAW.
SOME LEGAL EXPERTS SAY THAT THE
PERSON IN CHARGE OF THE INTEL
AGENCY IS ACTUALLY BREAKING THE
LAW BY WITHHOLINGE INGWITHHOLDIN
INFORMATION.
INFORMATION. WE TURN TO ALL THINGS LEGAL ON
THIS STORY, JOHN FLANNERY.
GOOD TO HAVE YOU ON TONIGHT.
>> IT’S GOOD TO BE HERE.
THERE’S A CHAPTER UNTO ITSELF
HISTORICALLY.
HISTORICALLY. >> WHEN YOU GET INTO THIS, WHAT
DOES IT MEAN THAT THEY HAVE
BLOWN THROUGH THE LEGAL
DEADLINES?
DEADLINES? DOES THAT MEAN THAT THE INTEL
AGENCIES HERE ARE IN VIOLATION
OF THE LAW AND WHAT HAPPENS
NEXT?
NEXT? >> WELL, THE DIRECTOR OF
NATIONAL INTELLIGENCE, HE’S THE
ONE WHO VIOLATED THE LAW.
IT’S FOUR STEPS.
ONE, THERE’S AN URGENT CONCERN
THE SUBJECT OF A COMPLAINT.
TWO, THE JURY PRESENTINSPECTOR G
DECIDES IF IT’S KREDSCREDIBLE.
THREE HE PASSES IT ALONG.
FOUR CONGRESS GETS IT AND ACTS
UPON IT.
UPON IT. YES, HE IS ABSOLUTELY HAD NO
DISCRETION AS THE DIRECTOR TO
WITH HOLD THIS INFORMATION FROM
THE HOUSE OR THE SENATE.
IN FACT, HE’S DIRECTED TO SEND
IT TO BOTH AND HE DIDN’T DO SO
AND HE GAVE THE HEADS UP TO THE
WHITE HOUSE AND THE HEADS UP TO
THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT TO FIND A
WAY TO NOT DISCLOSE THAT THE
PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES
WAS CUTTING A DEAL WITH A
FOREIGN NATION STATE WHO HAPPENS
TO HAVE A COMIC AS A LEADER SO
HE WOULD, FOR MONEY, CREATE A
SITUATION INVESTIGATING THE
PRESIDENT’S PRIMARY OPPONENT WHO
IS FAVORABLE NOW.
HE MIGHT NOT HAVE HIM IN THE
GENERAL ELECTION.
GENERAL ELECTION. >> IF ANY FEDERAL OFFICIAL IN
THE UNITED STATES PURSUED THIS
PLOT ON THEIR OWN, WOULD THEY BE
POTENTIALLY VIOLATING THE LAW?
>> NO.
>> NO. I’LL TELL YOU WHY.
NUMBER ONE, WE HAVE TO LOSE THIS
NOTION THAT THE OFFICE OF LEGAL
COUNSEL AND JUSTICE HAS TO
PROTECT THE PRESIDENT SAYING NO
SITTING PRESIDENT CAN BE
INDICTED.
INDICTED. I CAN’T THINK OF A BETTER CASE
TO ARGUE AGAINST THE NOTION THAT
A PRESIDENT SHOULDN’T BE
DISTURBED BECAUSE HE MAY NOT DO
AS WELL IN OFFICE.
THIS GUY IS THE POSTER CHILD FOR
THE WORST PRESIDENT IN AMERICAN
HISTORY.
HISTORY. THAT RATIONALE MAKES NO SENSE.
ARTICLE TWO SAYS THERE’S TWO
WAYS TO DEAL WITH THE PRESIDENT.
ONE IS REMOVAL AND THE OTHER IS
BY INDICTMENT AND THEY ARE
SEPARATE AND DON’T HAVE ANYTHING
TO DO WITH EACH OTHER.
HE COULD BE INDICTED AND SO
COULD RUDY GIULIANI.
>> WHAT IF THE DEFENSE
DEPARTMENT DECIDED THEY WANTED
TO DO THIS.
IS THERE ANYTHING ILLEGAL AS ONE
OF THE NEWSPAPERS TRYING TO
EXTORT A FOREIGN LEADER TO HELP
WIN A DOMESTIC CAMPAIGN?
>> WELL, IF I OFFER YOU MONEY,
SAY IF I GIVE YOU WHATEVER
MILLIONS OF DOLLARS AND YOU
STARTED AN INVESTIGATION ON THE
GUY WHO IS TARGET IN MY
ELECTION, FIRST OF ALL, THE
INVESTIGATION IS NOT RELIABLE.
YOU’RE DOING IT FOR THE MONEY.
WE HAVE ALL SORTS OF
ANTI-BRIBERY STATUTES.
ANTI-BRIBERY STATUTES. I DON’T KNOW WHERE HE IS GETTING
THE MONEY BUT I SUPPOSE IT’S THE
SAME HE’S GETTING IT FOR THE
WALL SH IS ILLEGAL.
THERE’S MORE COMPLEXITY TO HIS
CRIMES BY HIS IMPULSE BY THE
FACT NOBODY DOES ANYTHING TO
STOP HIM THAT CAN BE FOUND IN
THE CONSTITUTION OR FOUND IN THE
LAWS.
LAWS. >> YOU HAVE A SITUATION WHERE
OBVIOUSLY PEOPLE AROUND HIM ARE
TRYING TO PROTECT HIM.
THEY SAY THIS LOOKS BAD SO WE’RE
NOT GOING TO FORK THIS OVER.
IT’S NOT AS IF DONALD TRUMP IS
AN EXPERT ON THE INSPECTOR
GENERAL FEDERAL REQUIREMENTS.
OTHER PEOPLE SAY THIS LOOKS BAD
AND HE LEARNS MORE ABOUT IT.
MAYBE LEARNS MORE ABOUT AS IT
SPILLS OUT INTO THE PRESS.
THIS IS SO NEW I DOUBT VIEWERS
HAVE HEARD ABOUT IT.
THIS GOES TO THE HEART OF THE
BEGINNING OF THE MUELLER PROBE.
THE NEW YORK TIMES HAS A
DOCUMENT THAT’S THE ORIGINAL
MEMO WRITTEN BY THE PERSON WHO
TOOK OVER FROM JAMES COMEY
RUNNING THE FBI.
ANDREW McCABE.
ANDREW McCABE. HE DETAILS WHAT WAS A SECRET,
HIGH STAKES CONVERSATION WITH
THE PERSON WHO WAS THEN IN
CHARGE OF THE RUSSIA PROBE
DEPUTY ATTORNEY GENERAL ROD
ROSENSTEIN.
ROSENSTEIN. THIS IS ALL ABOUT HOW MUELLER
PROBE BEGAN.
PROBE BEGAN. ACCORDING TO THE MATERIAL,
ROSENSTEIN TOLD McCABE HE HAD A
FULL PLAN IN PLACE FOR
APPOINTING MUELLER AND WHAT TO
DO IF TRUMP FIRED HIM FOR DOING
IT WRITING QUOTE, HE ANTICIPATED
HE MAY BE TERMINATED IN LIGHT OF
TRUMP’S ANGER WITH ATTORNEY
GENERAL SESSIONS OVER HIS OWN
RESUE CALRE
RESUE CALRE RECUSAL AND HE SAID HE HEARD
TRUMP SAY YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO
PROTECT ME.
PROTECT ME. THIS IS VERY HOT STUFF.
IT’S A TESTAMENT TO THE WAY OUR
GOVERNMENT WORKS AMIDST CRISIS
THAT THIS STUFF WAS DOCUMENTED
AT THE TIME.
IT DIDN’T BREAKLEAK DURING THE P
AND IT’S NOW OUT WITH SOME
REQUIRED REDACTIONS.
REQUIRED REDACTIONS. I WOULD NOTE THEY ARE PRETTY
MINIMAL.
MINIMAL. WHAT DO YOU TAKE FROM THIS NEW
MEMO?
MEMO? >> I HAVE A PREJUDICE ABOUT
ROSENSTEIN BECAUSE HE SEEMS TO
HAVE AN IDENTITY CRISIS
THROUGHOUT THIS INVESTIGATION
PARTICULARLY AT THE END OF IT.
ON ITS FACE IT SOUNDS LIKE HE’S
WARNING HIM YOU COULD BE FIRED
AND IS THAT TOO CHILL HIS
PROSECUTION OR WAS A
PRESIDENTIAL MEMO THAT LED TO
HIM CLOSING DOWN THE
INVESTIGATION BY MY IDEA EARLY
AT WATERS EDGE OF PROSECUTING
TRUMP OR HIS FAMILY OR HIS
FINANCES.
FINANCES. >> LET ME BUILD ON YOUR PREMISE
AND ASK YOU THE FINAL QUESTION.
WE KNOW THERE WERE THREE ROD
ROSENSTEINS.
ROSENSTEINS. THERE WAS THE FIRST WHO HELPED
TRUMP FIRE COMEY.
THERE WAS THE SECOND WHO SAID
FIRING COMEY WAS SO BAD WE NEED
BOB MUELLER TO COME IN AND
HANDLE AN INDEPENDENT
INVESTIGATION AND THEN THERE WAS
A THIRD ROD ROSENSTEIN WHO
ASSURED TRUMP I CAN LAND THE
PLANE WITHOUT YOU GETTING HURT
TOO MUCH.
TOO MUCH. AT LEAST THREE.
WHAT ARE WE TO TAKE FROM IT AT
THE END OF THE DAY?
I ASK YOU OUR BOW TIED EXPERT.
>> MY MOST CHARITABLE
INTERPRETATION IS HE’S A
MALLEABLE FELLOW.
MALLEABLE FELLOW. >> IS THAT WHY HE STAYED IN
OFFICE AS LONG AS HE DID?
>> THEY LIVE LONG IN PUBLIC
DEPARTMENT AND THE JUSTICE
DEPARTMENT CREATES CHAMELEONS
ALL THE TIME TO DO ALL KINDS OF
THINGS.
THINGS. ALWAYS BEEN A VIPER’S NEST.
I WAS SO GRATEFUL I WAS IN THE
SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK.
RUDY GIULIANI WENT DOWN THERE AS
A BOBBY KENNEDY DEMOCRAT.
HE CAME BACK AS A CRO MAGNET
MAN.
MAN. >> EVERY ONE HAS LEARNED THE
DIFFERENCES AND KNOW NOW HOW NEW
YORK SOUTHERN DISTRICT ROLLS.
I THINK THE HOUSE JUDICIARY
COMMITTEE HAS GOT TO BRING ROD
AND THESE FOLKS IN FOR PUBLIC
TESTIMONY BECAUSE WE’RE BACK IN
THE HEART OF WHAT WENT DOWN.
DONALD TRUMP THINKS HE WON.
HE CAN GET AWAY WITH IT.
HE BULLIED MR. ROSENSTEIN AT
TIMES.
TIMES. WE GOT TO LEARN THE FULL REST OF
THE STORY.
THE STORY. >> I HAVE A FEW SECONDS, IF THEY
INVITE THE INSPECTOR GENERAL TO
ARRANGE TO HAVE THE SOURCE COME
TALK TO THEM, IT WOULD SEEM TO
ME IT WOULD BE A RSTATUTE.
IT SAYS FOR IF ANY REASON THE
COMPLAINT DOES NOT GO TO THE
COMMITTEE THEN THE COMPLAINTANT
MAY ARRANGE THROUGH THE
INSPECTOR GENERAL AN APPEARANCE.
THAT MIGHT BE MOST EFFICIENT
LEGAL WAY TO NAVIGATE THIS
BURIED IN 50 USC DOWN IN THE
GUTS.
GUTS. >> THAT’S GREAT POINT ABOUT THE
DETAILLILS THAT COULD REMEDY A
TRUMPIAN ATTACK ON ITS CLEAR