TALKING ABOUT IT. IT IS AN IMPORTANT STORY AS WE
LOOK OVER 2018.
BUT I BEGIN WITH THE PANIC WE’RE
SEEING FROM DONALD TRUMP RIGHT
NOW.
NOW. THERE’S THE GROWING
INVESTIGATIONS.
INVESTIGATIONS. NOT JUST MUELLER BUT ALSO
PROBING HIS CAMPAIGN AND
BUSINESS.
BUSINESS. THERE IS THE FALL OUT FROM THIS
DECISION TO SHUT DOWN THE
GOVERNMENT.
GOVERNMENT. HE SAID ONCE IT WOULD BE A TRUMP
SHUT OUT DOWN.
AND WHAT’S GOING THE HAPPEN TO
HIS CANDIDACY WHEN DEMOCRATS ARE
IN CHARGE OF THE HOUSE NEXT
WEEK?
WEEK? AS WE SEE SIGNS OF PANIC, THERE
ARE ALSO SIGNS OF CONTAGION, THE
MARKETS PANICKING AS WELL.
YOU ARE PROBABLY SEEING WITH
YOUR OWN EYE.
A ROCKNESS THAT AT TIMES SEEMS
TO MIRROR THE JITTERY WAY OF
DONALD TRUMP WALKING INTO HIS
OWN SHUT DOWN.
THE DOW WAS PLUNGING AND THEN
RALLYING.
RALLYING. AT WUPT POINTS IT WAS A 600
POINT DEFICIT.
POINT DEFICIT. THIS IS THE LATEST IN THE MONT
OF WILD SWINGS THAT A LOOT CAME
TO A HEAD WHEN DONALD TRUMP
STARTED SENDING VERY MIXED
SIGNALS ABOUT TRADE WITH CHINA.
THEN HE TOLD DEMOCRATS HE’D BE
PROUD TO SHUT DOWN THE
GOVERNMENT.
GOVERNMENT. SOMETHING HE’S LIVED UP TO THUS
FAR.
FAR. IN THE LAST TWO WEEKS THE SHUT
OUT WENT TO REALITY AND THINGS
BEGAN TO SPIRAL.
IMPORTANT TO LOOK AT THIS
BECAUSE THIS MATTERS HERE
ROUNDING OUT 2018.
THE DOW ALREADY BASICALLY ON A
DOWNSWING THIS MONTH.
IT WASN’T EXACTLY IN GOOD SHAPE.
INTEREST RATE HIKE AND LOT OF
THINGS AFFECTING THE MARKETS.
THEN REMEMBER JUST LAST THURSDAY
THE CHAOS CULMINATING WITH
DONALD TRUMP’S DEFENSE SECRETARY
JIM MATTIS ANNOUNCING HE WAS
OUT.
OUT. >> BREAKING NEWS TONIGHT.
DEFENSE SECRETARY JAMES MATTIS
IS STEPPING DOWN, LEAVING A
WHITE HOUSE INCREASINGLY GRIPPED
BY CHAOS AND ERRATIC UPHEAVAL.
>> ONE SENIOR OFFICIAL SAYING
TONIGHT, "THE WHEELS ARE COMING
OFF".
OFF". >> MATTIS’S RESIGNATION CAME
LATE IN THE DAY.
THE DOW HAD ALREADY FALLEN MORE
THAN 4 PUNZHUNDRED POINTS.
AND AS THE MARKETS DID THAT THE
PRESIDENT DECIDE 20D GO AHEAD
AND GO WHAT WE HAVE NOW.
THE GOVERNMENT SHUT DOWN AND
BASICALLY FOR NOT PAYING FOR A
WALL HE PROMISED WE’D NEVER PAY
FOR.
FOR. AND THEN THE FIGHTING WITH
DEMOCRATS.
DEMOCRATS. AND HE FAMOUSLY SAID THE SHUT
DOWN WAS ON HIM.
>> TOTALLY UP TO THE DEMOCRATS
AS TO WHETHER OR NOT WE HAVE A
SHUT DOWN.
SHUT DOWN. I AM PROUD TO SHUT DOWN THE
GOVERNMENT FOR BORDER SECURITY.
I WILL TAKE THE MANTLE.
I WILL BE THE ONE TO SHUT IT
DOWN.
DOWN. I’M NOT GOING BLAME YOU.
THE LAST TIME YOU SHUT IT DOWN
IT DIDN’T WORK.
I WILL TAKE THE MANTLE OF
SHUTTING DOWN.
SHUTTING DOWN. >> IT IS UP TO THE DEMOCRATS.
SO IT IS REALLY THE DEMOCRAT
SHUT DOWN.
SHUT DOWN. >> THIS IS NOT JUST TALK AND
SPIN.
SPIN. YOU CAN SEE THE WHIPLASH DRIVING
DOWN THE DOW ANOTHER 400 POINTS
ON FRIED.
ON FRIED. AND OVER THE WEEKEND.
STEVE MNUCHIN REVEALED HE WAS
BRIEFING AND EXCHANGING
CONVERSATION WITH SOME OF THE
BIGGEST BANKERS IN THE COUNTRY
TRYING TO CALM THE MARKETS.
THAT DIDN’T WORK.
HE POSTED A STATEMENT SAYING THE
BANKS TOLD HIM THEY HAVE PLENTY
OF CREDIT TO LEND TO AMERICAN
BUSINESSES AND HOUSEHOLDS.
BUT YOU NOW HAVE SEVERAL
ANALYSTS TAKE MAKING THE POINT
HIS ATTEMPT AT DAMAGE CONTROL
COULD BACKFIRE AND DRIVE IN MORE
UNEASE IN THE MARKETS.
>> AND THAT PROVED TO BE TRUE.
MONDAY THE STOCKS HAD THEIR
WORST DAY OF CHRISTMAS EVE
TRADING EVER.
TRADING EVER. ALTHOUGH AGAIN YOU HAD THE
JITTERS.
JITTERS. THE DOW REBOUNDED YESTERDAY
GAINING A THOUSAND POINTS.
THAT IS THE BIGGEST POINT GAIN
IN HISTORY BECAUSE IT HAD GONE
DOWN IS MUCH.
AND IT COULD HAVE STOPPED THERE.
BUT THIS IS WHY WE’RE SHOWING
YOU THE ENTIRE PROGRESSION.
IT DIDN’T BECAUSE DONALD TRUMP
SET THINGS OFF AGAIN.
>> HOW LONG DO YOU THINK YOU
SHUT DOWN IS GOING TO LAST, MR.
PRESIDENT.
PRESIDENT. >> WHATEVER IT TAKES.
I MEAN, WE’RE GOING TO HAVE A
WALL.
WALL. >> WHATEVER IT TAKES.
WHICH INCLUDES MAJOR
UNCERTAINTY.
UNCERTAINTY. EXTREME UP AND DOWNS FOR NO
APPARENT REASON.
APPARENT REASON. YOU KNOW IN THE FIRST TWO YEARS
OF DONALD TRUMP’S PRESIDENCY THE
BOOMING STOCK MARKET HAD BEEN
ONE OF THE THINGS HE COMES BACK
TO OVER AND OVER THAT HE WANTS
CREDIT FOR.
CREDIT FOR. BUT IT IS, AS I THINK THE CHART
SHOWS, DONALD TRUMP’S GOVERNING
THAT SEEMS TIED TO AN ERRATIC
MARKET, AN ERRATIC MOOD IN THE
MARKETS.
MARKETS. THEY DON’T LIKE IT.
WE HAVE A NATION NOW THAT IS
LOOKING AT AN ERRATIC AND
VOLATILE PRESIDENT INCREASINGLY
SEEING AT LEAST A PART OF THE
ECONOMY, THE STOCK MARKETS
JOINING IN THE E RAT SIMPLE.
AND MAYBE DONALD TRUMP’S
STRONGEST ARGUMENT EVAPORATING
BEFORE HIS EYES.
>>> WELCOME OUR GUESTS.
CLARENCE, IS THIS THE MOMENT
THAT WE’RE SEEING, ALTHOUGH
THERE IS A LOT OF DONALD TRUMP’S
RHETORIC AND VOLUME YUBLT PRICED
TO EXPECTATIONS, WE’RE SEEING
SOME OF THIS HURT HIM AND HURT
THE MARKETS.
THE MARKETS. >> WELL WE’RE CERTAINLY SEEING
DONALD TRUMP GET WHERE HE’S
GOTTEN THROUGH RHETORIC.
THROUGH THE ABILITY TO TALK.
AND HE’S SAID ALL ALONG HE CAN
SOLVE THESE PROBLEMS OF CHINA
TRADE AND PROBLEMS OF HEALTHCARE
AND PROBLEMS WALL STREET BY
BEING A GREAT NEGOTIATOR.
WE’VE YET TO REALLY SEE THAT
HAPPENING.
HAPPENING. WE SEE INSTEAD HE CLAIMS CREDIT
FOR THE STOCK MARKET WHEN IT IS
UP.
UP. AND WHEN IT GOES DOWN HE PLAMS
THE DEMOCRATS.BLAMES
THE DEMOCRATS.BLAMES THE DEMOCRATS.
THE DEMOCRATS. WHEN HE HAS AN INABILITY TO GET
HIS WALL APPROVED AND FUNDED OF
BY AMERICANS, NOT MEXICO.
AGAIN, BLAMES THE DEMOCRATS.
JUST A WEEK AFTER AS YOU
MENTIONED SAYING THAT HE’D
PROUDLY WEAR THE MANTLE OF A
GOVERNMENT SHUT OUT DOWN.
>> IN THE PAST WE’VE SEEN
SITUATIONS LIKE THIS REPUBLICANS
TEND TO GET THE BLAME AS THEY
DID BACK IN THE NINETIES WITH
NEWT GINGRICH’S CHUTE DUNNS.
>> HE’S ALSO BRAGGED WE
MENTIONED ABOUT WHEN THE MARKETS
ARE UP.
ARE UP. TAKE A LOOK.
>> THE STOCK MARKET HAS GAINED
TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN VALUE.
AND HAS REACHED RECORD HIGHS.
>> THE STOCK MARKET IS SMASHING
ONE RECORD AFTER ANOTHER.
>> THE STOCK MARKET IS HITTING
ONE ALL-TIME RECORD AFTER
ANOTHER.
ANOTHER. BOOSTING YOUR 401(k)s AND
RETIREMENT ACCOUNTS.
RETIREMENT ACCOUNTS. EVERYBODY HAPPY WITH YOUR
401(k)?
401(k)? BECAUSE IF YOU ARE NOT.
THERE IS SOMETHING VERY WRONG.
>> CAN HE DO A CALL AND RESPONSE
LIKE THAT TONIGHT?
>> DONALD TRUMP HAS REALLY BEEN
ABLE TO RIDE THE WAVE OF OBAMA’S
ECONOMY AND TO -- AND BY
PROJECTING CONFIDENCE HE HAS NOT
HURT THE ECONOMY.
A LITTLE BIT OF BRAVADO ISN’T
NECESSARILY A BAD THING WHEN IT
COMES TO ECONOMIC RECOVERY AND
STRENGTH.
STRENGTH. BUT AS HIS VOTERS START TO BE
AFFECTED BY THE ECONOMIC
DOWNTURN CAUSED BY HIS TRADE
WARS, CAUSED BY HIS POLICY, THAT
IS HARDER TO ESCAPE.
IT BECOMES HARDER FOR THOSE VOTE
WHO ARE MIGHT SIGH HEY WE DON’T
LIKE HIS MORAL COMPASS.
WE DON’T LIKE THE WAY HE TALKS.
BUT WE LIKE DONALD TRUMP’S
ECONOMY.
ECONOMY. IT BECOMES HARDER TO FORGIVE
SOME OF THE OTHER SINS.
>> AND THIS GOES TO WHERE THE
MARKETS FIT IN AS KIND OF
PRICING DONALD TRUMP’S
COMPETENT.
COMPETENT. PAUL KRUGMAN ECONOMIST WITH THE
"NEW YORK TIMES" WRITES THE
TRUTH IS MOST OF THE TIME
PRESIDENTIAL ACTIONS DON’T
MATTER.
MATTER. SHORT-TERM MANAGEMENT IS MAINLY
UP TO THE FED.
BUT WHEN BAD THINGS HAPPEN WE DO
NEED THE WHITE HOUSE TO STEP UP.
AND HE SAYS IT MATTER 5D LOT
THAT OFFICIALS IN THE OUTGOING
AND INCOMING ADMINISTRATION
RESPONDED COMPETENTLY TO THE ’08
FINANCIAL CRISIS.
FINANCIAL CRISIS. UNFORTUNATELY THERE IS NO REASON
TO EXPECT A COMPARABLE DEGREE OF
COMPETENCE IF SOMETHING GOES
WRONG AGAIN.
WRONG AGAIN. >> RARE INDICATION IOCCASION I A
PAUL KRUGMAN.
PAUL KRUGMAN. BUT CYTE FAKLY YOU SEE STEVE
MNUCHIN YOU HAVE FROM MEXICO
DOING THIS BIZARRE PRESS RELEASE
ABOUT CREDIT LIQUIDITY THAT
REALLY ONLY SERVED TO UPSET
PEOPLE MORE THAN IT CALMED
ANYTHING.
ANYTHING. SO NO I’M NOT CONFIDENT THIS IS
AN ADMINISTRATION THAT COULD
HANDLE AN ECONOMIC CRISIS AND I
THINK THE MARKET IS PRICING
THAT?
THAT? >> SHE MENTIONS LIQUIDITY.
IT IS THE KIND OF THING, LIKE
FIGHT CLUB.
FIGHT CLUB. YOU ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO TALK
ABOUT IT THAT MUCH.
CERTAINLY NOT WHETHER THE BANKS
HAVE ENOUGH MONEY.
THAT FREAKS PEOPLE OUT.
SO I WONDER IF AGAIN THIS IS
ALSO, YOU KNOW, THE BUCK STOPS
IN OVAL OFFICE.
DONALD TRUMP PICKED CERTAIN
BANKERS HE LIKED BECAUSE HE KNEW
THEY WERE RICH AND NEW YORK AND
THEY MAY HAVE BEEN GOOD AT
BANKING.
BANKING. I’M NOT SURE ABOUT THE
GOVERNMENT SIDE WHICH IS BEING
CLEAR AND MEASURED WHEN YOU TRY
TO ADDRESS THE MARKETS.
>> IT DOESN’T HELP MATTERS MUCH
WHEN THE PRESIDENT TALKED VERY
MEAN ABOUT THE HEAD OF THE
FEDERAL RESERVE AND HINTED AT
FIRING HIM.
FIRING HIM. WHICH HE CAN’T CO-.
BUT NEVERTHELESS WE DO KNOW THAT
WALL STREET.
WALL STREET. LOT OF DIFFERENT REASONS THE
MARKET GOES UP AND DOWN BUT WE
KNOW THAT WALL STREET HATES
THE -- HATES UNCERTAINTY.
AND WE HAVE A LOT OF UNCERTAINTY
RIGHT NO WITH A PRESIDENT WHO
MAKES A LOT OF COMMENTS THAT HE
MAY ONLY HAVE BELIEVED BUT THEY
SOUND GOOD SO HE SAYS THEM.
AND THE WARNING, RATHER THE
COMFORT THAT STEVE MNUCHIN TRIED
TO GIVE WAS KIND OF LIKE THE
SURGEON GENERAL COMING OUT AND
SAYING WE’RE FULLY PREPARED FOR
A ZOMBIE APOCALYPSE.
DON’T WORRY ABOUT IT ALL FOLKS.
WHAT’S GOING TO HAPPEN?
EVERYBODY IS GOING TO HAVE
ZOMBIE POCK LICENSEAPOCALYPSE ON
NOW AND YOU CAN HAVE A PANIC.
>> AND WE’RE SEEING JITTERS.
AND NOT TO SUGGEST THAT WHAT’S
HAPPENING IS THE WHOLE ECONOMY,
BUT IT CERTAINLY SEEMS LIKE ITS
BEEN SUPER SIZED BY COMPLETELY
AVOIDABLE UNNECESSARY ACTIONS
AND STATEMENTS BY DONALD TRUMP
AND SOME OF HIS AIDS.
NOW CLARENCE, I HAVE GOOD NEWS
FOR YOU IF PERHAPS THE VIEWERS.
WHICH IS THE CNBC PORTION OF THE
BEAT" IS NOW OVER.
AS WE GET INTO OTHER ISSUES
TONIGHT.
TONIGHT. THE CHAOS ROYALING TRUMP WORLD
IS HAPPENING OF COURSE AGAINST
THE BACK DROOP OF THESE
INVESTIGATIONS AND ONE ON GOING
MYSTERY THAT’S INVOLVED THIS
CRYPT I SAID CASE THAT IS NOW
POTENTIALLY HEADING TO THE
SUPREME COURT.
SUPREME COURT. REPORT LY LINKED TO THE BOP
MUELLER.
MUELLER. CHIEF JUSTICE JOHN ROBERTS
RULING A COMPANY HAS UNTIL
MONDAY TO EXPLAIN WHY IT IS
RESISTING THE SUBPOENA.
AND RUDY GIULIANI USING THE
HOLIDAY WEEK.
HOLIDAY WEEK. HE DIDN’T HAVE TO BUT HE CHOSE
TO.
TO. GETTING BACK OUT THERE AND
SAYING WELL, YOU KNOW, WHEN HE
ONCE SAID TRUMP MIGHT AGREE TO
GIVE MORE WRITTEN ANSWERS TO
MUELLER.
MUELLER. WELL, THAT’S OVER.
>> YOU EXPECT THAT HE’S GONNA
HAVE TO ANSWER MORE QUESTIONS IN
WRITING?
WRITING? >> WELL I THINK I NOUNSZED ABOUT
10 DAYS AGO OVER MY DEAD BODY.
AND I’M NOT DEAD YET.
SO.
SO. >> THAT ANSWERS THAT.
AS A FORM --
>> -- NOT ANSWERING ANYMORE
QUESTIONS FROM THESE PEOPLE.
THEIR OUTRAGEOUS ACTIVITY S, YOU
KNOW, WE DID ENOUGH.
>> HAD NOT BEEN FORMALLY CLOSED.
THE LOOP HASN’T BEEN CLOSED.
I WANT TO BRING IN ONE OF THE
NATION’S PREEMINENT LEGAL
EXPERTS, REPRESENTING THE UNITED
STATES IN THE SUPREME COURT
DURING THE CLINTON
ADMINISTRATION.
ADMINISTRATION. ARGUED THAT A SITTING PRESIDENT
CAN BE FORCED TO DEAL WITH CIVIL
COURT WHICH INCLUDES OF COURSE
DEPOSITIONS AND THE LIKE.
HE’S ALSO MAKING THE CASE IN THE
WASHINGTON POST THAT A GRAND
JURY SHOULD BE PERMITTED
POTENTIALLY TO CONSIDER
INDICTING A SITTING PRESIDENT.
GREAT TO HAVE YOU HERE TONIGHT,
SIR.
SIR. >> THANKS ARI.
>> I KNOW THAT AS SOMEONE WHO’S
ARGUED BEFORE THE SUPREME COURT,
WHICH MOST PEOPLE DON’T GET TO
EVEN SEE.
EVEN SEE. MOST LAWYERS DON’T GET TO DO.
YOU ARE GOING TO BE QUITE
CAREFUL ABOUT A SEALED MATTER.
BUT I WONDER YOUR VIEW GIVEN THE
FEW CLUES WE HAVE ABOUT THIS
MYSTERIOUS GRAND JURY SUBPOENA
THAT JOHN ROBERTS NOW HAS PUT A
DEADLINE ON.
DEADLINE ON. >> WELL I THINK IT IS RELATIVELY
STRAIGHTFORWARD IN THE SENSE
THAT THERE IS A FOREIGN
CORPORATION.
CORPORATION. A GOVERNMENT OWNED SUBSIDIARY
THAT IS RESISTING TURNING OVER
ITS RECORDS TO THE MUELLER
INVESTIGATION, CLAIMING THAT IT
IS A FOREIGN SOVEREIGN THAT HAS
SOME IMMUNITY FROM U.S. LEGAL
PROCESSES.
PROCESSES. THAT IS NOT LIKELY TO BE A
WINNING ARGUMENT IN A CRIMINAL
CASE.
CASE. ESPECIALLY THAT THE COURT OF
APPEALS SUBPOENA WAS UNANIMOUS
AND CONTAINED JUDGES THAT ARE
HIGHLY RESPECTED AND RUN THE
SPECTRUM OF REPUBLICANS AND
DEMOCRATS ON THE COURT.
I THINK THAT WHAT WE MAY BE
SEEING, ARI IS THIS COULD BE THE
YEAR OF THE SUPREME COURT FOR
THE MUELLER/TRUMP STANDOFF.
I THINK THIS COULD BE BY FAR THE
LEAST IMPORTANT OF THE CASES
THAT THE U.S. SUPREME COURT
HEARS ON AN EXPEDITED BASIS.
WHAT YOU JUST PLAYED WITH RUDY
GIULIANI RESISTING QUESTIONS TO
THE PRESIDENT.
THE PRESIDENT. OTHER PRESIDENTS AS WE KNOW WITH
BILL CLINTON HAVE TESTIFIED
BEFORE THE JURY.
AND I THINK AS THE VERY WEAK
CLAIM.
CLAIM. THE SPECIAL COUNCIL WANTS TO
KNOW WHAT DONALD TRUMP’S STATE
OF MIND.
OF MIND. IF HE’S CONSIDERING PERHAPS EVEN
NAMING HIM AS AN CO-SPIRITER.
HE NEEDS TO INTERVIEW THE
PRESIDENT AND EASILY EXPEDITED
CASE ON THE GRAND JURY OF THE
SUBPOENA OF THE PRESIDENT.
THEY COULD HEAR THAT CASES.
ALSO A CASE INVOLVING THE
HOUSE’S DECISION TO SUBPOENA THE
MUELLER REPORT.
MUELLER REPORT. >> WOULD YOU EXPECT HIM TO
PURSUE THAT BEFORE HE CLOSES UP
SHOP?
SHOP? >> I THINK I WOULD EXPECT HIM TO
SEE TO SUBPOENA THE PRESIDENT
BECAUSE HE WANTS TO DO A
COMPLETE INVESTIGATION.
COMPLETE INVESTIGATION. AND HE HAS SAID PREVIOUSLY HE
NEEDS TO UNDERSTAND THE
PRESIDENT’S STATE OF MIND WHEN
HE ENGAGED IN A BROAD RANGE OF
ACTIONS WHICH MIGHT POTENTIALLY
BE PART OF A CRIMINAL
CONSPIRACY.
CONSPIRACY. AND I THINK HE WENT GIVE UP.
I DON’T THINK IT WOULD
NECESSARILY UNDULY DELAY THE
INVESTIGATION.
INVESTIGATION. BECAUSE IF YOU REMEMBER BUSH
VERSUS GORE, A BRIEFING WAS DONE
IN 48 HOUR PERIOD AND OVERALL
ARGUMENT 24 HOURS LATER AND THE
SUPREME COURT TOOK SEVERAL DAYS
TO ISSUE AN OPINION.
YOU COULD HAVE AN EXPEDITED -- A
CASE, ESPECIALLY I THINK SINCE
THE PRESIDENT IN LIGHT OF THE
CASE I ARGUED AND LOST, CLINTON
AGAINST JONES, BILL CLINTON WAS
REQUIRED TO SIT FOR A DAY-LONG
DEPOSITION IN A CIVIL CASE.
AND THE U.S. VERSUS NIXON, WHERE
NIXON WAS REQUIRED TO TURN OVER
THE TAPE RECORDS HE HAD MADE OF
PRIVATE CONVERSATIONS IN THE
OVAL OFFICE.
OVAL OFFICE. THE SLAW ENTITLED TO EVERY MAN’S
EVIDENCE.
EVIDENCE. AND I THINK THEY ARE BLUSTERY
WHEN RUDY GIULIANI ACTS AS IF IT
IS HIS DECISION RATHER THAN THAT
OF THE SUPREME COURT.
AND I DON’T THINK --
>> YOU SAY EVERY MAN’S EVIDENCE.
YOU KNOW, I OBJECT TO THE
TERMINOLOGY.
TERMINOLOGY. I WOULD SAY EVERY MAN OR THUG.
>> RIGHT.
>> RIGHT. WELL YOU KNOW, LOOK.
I THINK THE SUPREME COURT IS NOT
NECESSARILY GOING TO BREAK DOWN
ON ANY SORT OF IDEOLOGICAL OR
PARTY LINES.
PARTY LINES. >> WITH INSTITUTIONAL
CREDIBILITY AT STAKE.
>> ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.
>> WHILE I HAVE YOU.
AND THEN I’LL GO BRIEFLY
LIGHTNING ROUND TO EVERYONE
ELSE.
ELSE. I GOT THE GET YOU ON THE OTHER
THING HAPPENING.
THING HAPPENING. THERE IS A TON OF DAYS CASES.
THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION SHUT
DOWN THE GOVERNMENT AND NOW THEY
ARE CITING THE SHUT DOWN TO SAY
THEY SHOULD HAVE MORE TIME OR A
DELAY IN THE TRUMP HOLTS FOREIGN
BRIBERY CASE.
BRIBERY CASE. IS THAT A GOOD ARGUMENT FOR THE
GOVERNMENT TO MAKE?
>> I DON’T THINK SO.
IT COULD BE THEY ARE COVERING
THEMSELVES.
THEMSELVES. YOU KNOW, AGAINST HAVING LAWYERS
WORK WITHOUT PAY.
WHICH COULD BE IN VIOLATION OF
SOMETHING CALLED THE
ANTI-DEFICIENCY ACT BY MAKING
SURE THE COURT REJECTS THAT
ARGUMENT.
ARGUMENT. SAYS NO.
SAYS NO. YOU HAVE TO MAKE YOUR FILINGS
WHEN WE TELL YOU.
>> GET IT IN NO MATTER.
ELISE JORDAN?
ELISE JORDAN? ANTI-DEFICIENCY ACT?
ANTI-DEFICIENCY ACT? ?
? >> ANTI-DEFICIENCY ACT?
YOU WOULD BE KE EFFICIENT ASKING
ME ABOUT IT ON YOUR SHOW.
I TRUST YOUR LEGAL ACUMEN MORE
THAN THAT.
THAN THAT. >> CLARENCE FINAL WORD?
>> I DON’T KNOW THAT MUCH ABOUT
THE ANTI-DEFICIENCY ACT EITHER.
BUT EVERY TIME SOMEBODY BRINGS
UP THE QUESTION OF A PRESIDENT
BE PROSECUTED.
BE PROSECUTED. EVERYBODY SAYS WELL IT IS NOT
SETTLED IN THE COURTS.
MAYBE NOW IS THE TIME TO SETTLE
IT.
IT. PUSH IT NOW.
THE SAME ARGUMENT IS PUSHING FOR
IMPEACHMENT.
IMPEACHMENT. AND I’M NOT A RADICAL, FRANKLY.
I LIKE DO THESE THINGS IN A
GRADUAL AND THOUGHTFUL MANNER.
BUT WE’RE REALLY IN UNCERTAIN
GROUND HERE.
GROUND HERE. AND WE’RE FINDING MORE AND MORE
APPARENT VIOLATIONS BY THE
PRESIDENT.
PRESIDENT. WE MAY BE FORCED TO DO?
>> LOOK AT THIS IS SEGMENT AS
THE INTELLECTUAL KNOWLEDGE
COMPETITION BUT IF THEY WERE, IT