this is it guys the much-anticipated winchester super suppressed using a 255
grain hollow-point projectile when I first heard about this load I wasn't sure
exactly what they would use if it was going to be a full metal jacket or what
but I'm really happy they went with that that hollow point you can see that this
projectile looks pretty different from some of the others that they've had out there
a lot of these have kind of a cone shape to them this one has much more of a
rounded 9 millimeter sort of FMJ look to it then it just has that big hollow
point cavity we've been testing 350 legend at 100 and 200 yards for accuracy
and to see what kind of damage they can make at some of those practical
distances on ballistics gel so today we have some hurdles that we need to clear
I'm really curious to see if this super suppress is going to do the job I want
to see first off if at practical distances which I'm going to consider to
be about fifty to a hundred yards somewhere and there to see if that
hollow point cavity does expand and what kind of damage it can do but one of the
bigger things that I'm looking for is to see if it can cycle the action of the
CMM G resolute ar-15 actions usually do not deal well with subsonics except in
the case of nine by thirty-nine I'll roll in a little footage here so you can
see but that's a very special cartridge that launches a 269 grain projectile I think
and that one hits with some authority that's a really fun round for those of
you guys that are interested in they suppress heavy hitting round and I think
this one today is going to do the same let's get out there and see what we can
do well looky there it did cycle the action it seems to be right on
horizontally anyway there's a lot more drop it hit very low compared to the
other so I'm gonna have to come up about three milliradians
oh yeah right in the middle let's go check it out
well I'll be durned looky there looks like it opens up about two and a half
inches in and it actually cuts a pretty good swath look at that right there
that's interesting all right so we've gone through 16 inches of gel and this
has about as much penetration now this is 50 yards but this is getting about
the same penetration we were getting with the spear deep curl and some of the
others looking good and yes you can see down inside there that this has
mushroomed it just kind of looks like a column now looks like a cylinder no
point left on it at all and here's from the other angle all right you can see
that it cut a great big couple of leaf shapes in there I'm curious to see if
this tumbled if I can figure that out it looks like tumbling but I'm not
exactly sure this the damage is pretty two-dimensional let's see from the top
yeah it does look more like tumbling damage but it looks like it has a
combination of the two it looks like it probably tumbled twice and then headed
down and his nose forward right down here
you
here's a close-up view of our 50-yard hit you can see that it expanded
actually very quickly and it's cutting about a three-quarter inch cut through
here this is a three dimensional cut until we start to get back into this
section through here where it seems to have tumbled at least once and then you
know I guess a full 360 at least somewhere in here because the projectile
actually is pointing forward you can see that we have the the pedals that have
opened up right there and yeah we are getting damaged from both cutting and
tumbling and this cut if we measure it from where it starts to open up really
near the beginning until it gets back out here we're looking at about a 12
inch long cut that is amazing that's right up there with some of these others
that were testing at some of these longer distances now remember this is 50
yards not a hundred but yeah for some of these closer hits this is actually
doing really well and we're coming to rest right here at about 22 inches the
100-yard subsonic hit cuts about a half inch channel back through here
and it looks like it's not going to do much until it flares out again as we get
back in here toward the end of the first block so
we've made it through 16 inches of gel and actually this is where most of the
damage is happening or right back through here at about the 14 inch mark
this is getting up around one inch of width and then we're kind of settling
down again and coming out the side of the block
this is one that I was not able to recover from the bag the total distance
we're at left this is 24 inches as you might imagine it was difficult to get a
200-yard hit with these subsonics these had a total drop of seven and a half mil
versus the normal one hundred yards zero for some of the other rounds that we
have thankfully the scope that I was using that us optics ts6 x has an F F P
reticle that has up to 10 mil of radians of drop and windage and all that so if
you want to make those difficult hits that's one of those AR scopes that we'll
be able to get the job done all right so here is the total tract we
enter here pretty softly everything is just kind of small and kind of staying
within that the diameter of the projectile and then suddenly this flares out into a
gigantic tumble that's one of the the primary cutting tools that I think that
this projectile has it does expand at some of those closer distances as we saw but
this does have a tendency to tumble if you are wondering about the twist rate
on 350 Legend I think this is why they went with one in 16 even a big projectile
like this is totally stable through the air but then you don't want these things
to necessarily be that stable once they hit if you can get that tumbling in
addition to the cutting from the expansion then go for it
so yeah what you're looking at right here is actually a cut that it is about
nine inches long from its beginning right back here until we get to it
kind of settling down here and it looks like obviously this did tumble twice
this is a two dimensional cut and this has about two inches of width so this is
quite a good performer at all the distances we try this is actually a
really cool load here's our 50-yard hit you can see that those petals flared
very nicely some of these are pointing back forward these would have been a
little bit more pointed backward and this would have been wider overall at
some point in the cut but remember that this did tumble as well as its forward
cutting so yeah some of these petals got bent back toward the forward end we're
gonna see what diameter we ended up with all right so we're looking at a bit over
a half inch 0.5 0 4 somewhere in there so yeah it's a good broad hit and you
can see that it did quite a bit of damage to the gel let's see what kind of
weight we've retained here 250 7.2 so yeah it looks like this one just picked
up a little bit of gel in there somewhere it actually weighs a little
bit more than it originally did and this one right here of course yeah same thing
it just picked up a little weighs a little bit more let's talk
about some of the velocities on this one there was quite a bit of variation and I
should point out first off take a look at the the target that we have here this
one is by far the biggest group that we have printed with anything so this is at
100 yards and this is probably not really designed to be your 100-yard
cartridge this is supposed to be a little bit closer to that but yeah this
is four point six inches all the way across and you can see that the
horizontal stringing is great it's just the vertical and part of it might be
explained by these velocities I'm going to show you here all right so we're
looking at one thousand forty feet per second all the way down to no here we go
11:07 feet per second is our highest 969 is our lowest so this one's actually a
slightly supersonic right here and then this one is pretty well subsonic so
we're looking at a total standard deviation of forty nine feet per second
which is just huge and we're looking at a maximum spread extreme spread of 138
feet per second so mean of 1034 so yeah this one is not extremely tight this is
one of the difficulties of loading up a subsonic overall that I found it's kind
of tough to get them all very neatly in you know extreme accuracy with these
loads but overall this one is just a really fun load and I do recommend it
especially u-bolt gun guys if you want to slap a suppressor on there this one
should be extremely quiet and as you can see it does still hit really hard this
could be a good close-range round just for some fun at the range or even for
dealing with some pests animals that are kind of close up you homesteaders that
want to deal with an animal that's a little bit too close for comfort and you
want to be able to do it really quietly and this is really gonna work when I
hit the gel I had some issues with the bolt not going quite far enough back to
pick up the next round there just wasn't quite enough energy the rifle was filthy
dirty at the time there are probably a couple of things that we could do to
make this run a bit better because we do have some
kind of nasty pistol powders that are being loaded up in here we have you know
first off we can keep this very clean get some good lube on it so I use the
Spartan accuracy systems products to clean this out and I'm using this part
and accuracy oil in here which tends to work really well and all of my pistols
and rifles it just kind of keeps everything really slick some other
things that you might consider you know first off these are subsonics we're
dealing with so maybe a can can help kind of increase pressures a little bit
and then we also could get an adjustable gas block just something to think about
if you want to be able to run these but I'm hoping that with all this cleaned
out that we can run a full ten round mag right here at 50 yards let's see what we
can do okay now I saw the brass go spinning off kind of close to me so I
didn't feel like ejection was extremely good on that one we're gonna see if it
was able to pick up another round no no it wasn't so yeah barely ejected that
case and it looks like it did not pick up the next one alright let's see if we
can break this in just a little bit keep it keep it running
okay I felt that yeah that one came back oh it doesn't have quite enough power to
shove that bolt all the way back so it gets that little bit of extra run up at
the the brass to knock it into place that one actually was behind the rim it
was able to grab the head of the case but it just didn't have quite enough to
really slam it home you saw my flinch there yeah this one check it out
put that on safe didn't quite make it back over the rim it's actually catching
on the inside of the rim I'm trying to shove it in and I got to tell you right
now I am running this really wet
so there you have it 110 round mag 2 stoppages this is just right on the edge
of what it needs to be able to cycle this reliably of course this mo is going
to be great for your bolt-action rifles the Mossberg MVP is going to be a great
choice for this and it'll be especially quiet too since you don't have gases
coming out anywhere back here but yeah when it comes to suppressing this which
i think is going to number one get you the maximum benefit out of the subsonic
anyway and increase some of those pressures just make sure that you call
the the maker of that suppressor because remember even though this is a nine
millimeter diameter that we have here and you should just be able to put a
nine millimeter pistol can on there we're dealing with much higher pressures
possibly especially with those supersonic rounds and you're gonna need
to check with the manufacturer make sure that there can is going to be able to
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