Did you know that primarily Western men lose millions of dollars every year in
online scams to Russian or Ukrainian women
now put the inverted commas because quite often they're not actually talking
to the woman that they think they're talking to in fact they're actually
talking about Igor from Siberia but one guy even lost over 300,000
to an online scam involving a woman in
Russia so you might be thinking Conor I would never be that stupid to lose
that amount of money to an online scam but you might be surprised to know that
quite often the victims of these camps are not super low IQ
or something in fact they're very successful men in other areas of their
life so how the hell do they lose so much
money in these online scams that's what I'm
going to be diving into in today's Tip Thursday with me Conor Clyne we're
going to be exploring exactly how these scans work and what can be
done about them [Russian] Let's go!
- So the total amount spent was 317 thousand dollars
she communicated with me and I communicate with her every single day
75% of the money was spent on stickers and photos
these sites are known as PPL sites this is pay per letter sites and that's exactly
the model basically the very base you pay
in order to communicate and I know in the era of
Instagram and Tinder and all these apps where obviously you can talk for free to
people whether that be facebook why would you do that that is a
very good question but there's a whole business model
around getting you addicted and manipulating you into paying
on these sites and it's not transparent as to why
you are paying it's not saying hey you pay for communication
it's saying hey meet the woman of your dreams normally it's targeting men
from the west to meet women from Eastern Europe in particular
it doesn't have to be exclusively Eastern Europe we also do it for other
countries but this is the main part of the business it's the most
lucrative region
so imagine you're sitting at home maybe it's in somewhere like Ohio
Kansas Manchester maybe Lyon in France somewhere else across the
world and a beautiful Ukrainian or Russian woman writes to you
it comes in your inbox would you be able to resist responding
that's how you're lured in starts with the photos the emails
promising you everything soon your new online
lover becomes your perfect woman - what I wasn't aware of was how
sophisticated this new type of scam was I wouldn't say what was she
and with how they managed to hook me in they learn about you
understand who you are and and they become the perfect woman for you
and that's how they get guys hope they get deeper and deeper sucked in they
invest more and more by writing back and all
the time this company and its incentives in terms
of how it makes money are not aligned with yours because they
don't make anything not a dime if you actually have a real
relationship with this woman that you've met on their
site how are they making money they're making money through the correspondence
the emails that you write and send or maybe
just open them and read them the messaging
how long you're on there typing maybe you're sending emoticons
maybe you're opening emoticons all those are costing you money as the
as the customer as the consumer - they're telling you to give them a kiss
so you send them a kiss sticker oh tell me how much you love me you send them on
I love you sticker send me your photo send me 10 photos
send me 50 photos I want to see all your photos of your house
can you show me photos of your city go to the beach and take photos of
everything at the beach about in the day you've sent 400 photos
then of course she'll start sending you photos
which is of course is two dollars for each photo that i sent you
it started off with mostly photos and I ended up spending like
in the month of July I spent a little over twenty thousand dollars
on this website just with chat gifts and sending photos - and maybe even
at the end they will charge you to get the contact
details of the woman herself the real woman
herself whether she's been talking to you or
not they will even sell you information some of them so there you see the
whole way along your experience your journey on these
sites you're being charged money by the site
but that's not correlated with your objective and that is a
very very bad setup for you
- I was working at an international marriage website
I also have such experience
I was working there for a few months as a translator
but I think that's not a job as a translator
yes, I can say these things
like it's not the translator, it's like a composer, poetry, I mean it's like
an artist job everything because you don't just translate
something that the girls say and the man is saying because this girl will never know
what they are writing about, what is in the messages, in the letters, only have
only have the translator he actually writing the same letters to 10 people
about a big love, about a very poor family
so you might be wondering well how did the girls themselves get involved in
this well a lot of girls are just approached
approached on the poached as well that's actually kind of a funny slip
they are approached and poached from social networking sites basically they
get messages saying hey can we buy basically the rights to your
photos do you agree to be on this website
on this series of websites and we pay x amount of money just for
the rest of us so what you're seeing right now
in this screen recording is a real life attempt
by a recruiter to get a model to sign up to their agency so they reach out on
instagram the recruiter reaches out to the model model happens
to be a friend of mine that's why i was able to get
this screen recording for you and they make a proposal
obviously in exchange for money that your
profile will appear on a list of sites and later on she switches it over you
know the exchange phone numbers and she puts it off instagram onto a messaging
service she aligns the sites that the model's
profile will appear on she says all you have to do is just
basically send your photos she wants to know her personal
information so it's all accurate and that's the point that a lot of these
sites are just guaranteeing that it's a real
person who agreed to be on the site they're not guaranteeing
that you will actually communicate with them and in this case it's outlined that
the model will not actually have to do anything more unless an opportunity
comes up if the guy were to go and ask you know send a present or whatnot
or want to actually have a live conversation and pay more money than
potentially the model will be recruited in to do
that about how much offer you i don't know offer me i don't
know because actually every time i tried it
maybe twice a long time ago they asked me to send
the pictures to the agency they just will use my pictures
and talking with some foreigners and only I will got some gifts
or maybe it will be a meeting if the person comes and if I want then we can go for a date together
so actually from the beginning I'm thinking it's okay
maybe I will also be interested to talk and improve my English
they use a translator but every time they like when the girl can speak English
but after all I never got any money like twice I sent my pictures
I let them use my pictures and said like every month they will give me some money from the gifts
from the messages but always disappeared just used my pictures and no feedback
and another thing that I don't like not all the girls know that they are in a marriage agency
usually they do such kind of business like all girls like nice pictures, especially for Instagram
professional pictures for everything so they offer to come to the office and make new pictures but
only with the passport and of course sometimes they say that it's for a marriage agency
sometimes they don't say but even if they say the girls say oh I don't care because they will get new pictures
new professional pictures, that's all so I'm sure that really hundreds of the girls
have their pictures posted on some marriage agency and they don't even know about that
some often contacted by guys unfortunately have fallen
victim to these ppl sites and one thing that i tried to emphasize
on them listen there may be some legal remedies for you that you should explore
- I used to be a lawyer if you know back in the day so I have
a good shall we say nose for what are the possibilities
that you might be able to pursue as a strategy to try and get your money back
because it's not entirely clear if a lot of what
these sites are doing is legal and you know when you look at
the sites I always say the first question that I
ask guys when they contact me for my consulting is
well what exactly did this particular site offer you
and then we go and we look at the terms and conditions you know how it's
represented on the front page and a lot of times they're only
guaranteeing that you get to communicate with a person and
that the woman whose profile is there that she is a
real person now it's pretty easy if you've seen the
she could be a real person she may have agreed to be on the site but
are they actually guaranteeing that you're even talking to the person and if
so are they guaranteeing that she's
actually genuinely looking for a serious relationship with a foreigner
most cases that's not actually what's written there so you need to read
the terms and conditions really really carefully if you are one of those guys
then you know feel free to reach out to me and I might be able to
I might be able to point you in the right direction we can you know set
up a consulting call so the way to do that
is writing to me either at ConorClyne@TsarExperience.com which is my
email or me you can also reach out to me on instagram
my handle there is TsarExperience and in general you should go and check out
my instagram of course if you're interested
in seeing what i get up to in a more frank and candid way here you
know I take little clips most days showing you what what what
it's like to actually be here in Eastern Europe and
and not living in that virtual world of ppl and
online dating and all that stuff or remote dating where you're actually back
home but actually what it's like if you were to come over
- how she managed I guess that's you got to put an asterisk by thatI
wouldn't say was she and how they managed to hook me
in was they became what I would call the
the perfect woman which was a probably a good look out for anyone else
the perfect woman doesn't exist and so everything about myself
that I like anything that I liked anything I desired was exactly
what was given to me so - there as you can see guys who are normally
sensible other parts of their life can be lured in
and absolutely fleeced by these online scammers now if you are planning
to come to Eastern Europe what happens to be Ukraine, Belarus or Russia or
somewhere else in the former Soviet Union and you want to avoid
the scammers not just those online but also those
that you might encounter when you come here then I have
for you for free my three biggest tips for avoiding the scammers
there's a link down below you have to type in your email address
and I'll whisk that off through that training series so
you're gonna forget my three biggest tips
to avoid the scammers it's been a very interesting
video incredible to see some guys lose over
300 thousand dollars so definitely stay safe whether it's online
or in person avoid the scammers like the plague
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