YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING ON THE
SHOW THIS MORNING.
WE APPRECIATE IT.
AND AS THE WAR RAGES ON,
THOUSANDS OF UKRAINIAN CIVILIANS
HAVE TAKEN UP ARMS TO PROTECT
THEIR COUNTRY.
JOINING US NOW FORMER INVESTMENT
ADVISER TO THE PRIME MINISTER OF
UKRAINE, DANIEL BILLAC.
HE'S VOLUNTEERING AND IS ON THE
GROUND IN KYIV.
AND DANIEL, WELCOME TO SHOW.
I KNOW YOU HAD CHOICES.
YOU KWOFCOULD HAVE LEFT AND YOUR
CHOICE WAS TO STAY AND TO FIGHT.
TELL US WHAT YOU'RE SEEING?
>> WELL THANK YOUVICH VERY MUCH
HAVING ME.
AS YOU COULD TELL FROM MY
ACCIDENT, I WAS IN BORN IN A
WESTERN UKRAINIAN VILLAGE CALLED
TORONTO.
AND I'VE STAYED HERE BECAUSE
THIS IS WHERE MY FAMILY IS, MY
YOUNGER CHILDREN, MY WIFE, MY
HOME.
I'VE WORKED TO BUILD THIS
COUNTRY FOR 30 YEARS.
AND THERE IS NO REASON, I DEW
POINT SEE ANY REASON WHY
SOMEBODY ELSE SHOULD DEFEND WHAT
I BELIEVE IN.
>> AND THE UKRAINIAN TERRITORIAL
DEFENSE FORCES THAT YOU'RE
WORKING AMONG, TELL US HOW
THEY'RE DOING.
THERE ARE REPORTS OF FIGHTING
BACK HARD.
BUT WHAT ARE YOU WITNESSING ON
THE GROUND?
>> WELL, LOOK, THE TERRITORIAL
DEFENSE FORCES WERE STARTED IN
JANUARY OF THIS YEAR.
AB THEY WERE SET UP IN ORDER TO
BASICALLY CREATE A TOTAL
RESISTANCE TO RUSSIAN
AGGRESSION, TO GET BEYOND THE
KIND OF MOBILIZATION OF RESERVES
THAT WE SEE GOING ON IN RUSSIA
TODAY.
BUT I'M TELLING YOU, THE
HORRIFIC EVENTS OF THE LAST TWO
DAYS HAVE JUST PROVEN HOW MUCH
UKRAINIANS NEED TO HAVE TOTAL
RESISTANCE AND HOW MUCH THE
TERRITORIAL DEFENSE FORCES NEED
AND CONTINUE TO BE INTER GRATED
WITH THE REGULAR ARMY AND WITH
THE SPECIAL FORCES.
I MEAN, WHAT WE'VE WITNESSED IN
BUCHA, IRPIN AND YOU'RE GOING TO
SEE IT IN MARIUPOL AND CHERNIVE
AND KHARKIV, IS JUST BEASTY
BRUTALITY.
IT IS INCOMPREHENSIBLY BARBARIC.
BUT THIS IS NOTHING NEW.
THIS IS HOW THE RUSSIAN ARMY HAS
ALWAYS FOUGHT.
AND THE PROBLEM IS THAT THE
SENSITIVITIES IN THE WEST ARE
SUCH THAT PEOPLE HAVE BECOME
DESENSE TIED.
WE CAN'T -- WE CAN'T PRE-JUDGE
THINGS.
WE NEED EVIDENCE, ET CETERA.
HERE IS YOUR EVIDENCE.
THIS IS UKRAINE SUB NEATSA.
THAT'S GUYS ARE OUT OF GAS N
GRUB AND GUTS.
THEY DON'T WANT TO FIGHT.
THEY DON'T KNOW HOW TO FIGHT AND
WE'VE DEFEAT THEM ON THE GROUND
BUT WE CANNOT DELIVER THE FINAL
BLOW UNTIL WE GET THEM OUT OF
THE AIR AND THIS IS WHERE WE
NEED MORE HELP FROM NATO.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE HAS TO
HAPPEN FOR NATO TO TAKE A MORE
ROBUST POSTURE IN UKRAINE.
I GET ALL OF THE ARGUMENTS ABOUT
NUKE WEAPONS, NUCLEAR WEAPONS,
PUTIN KNOWS ALL HE HAS TO SAY IS
NUKE WAR AND EVERYBODY GOES OH,
MY GOD.
HE'S BOOING TO USE WEAPONS AND
THEN HE SEIZES MORE TERRITORY.
AND THIS -- THIS IS REALLY
SOMETHING THAT YOU EITHER HAVE
THE COURAGE OF YOUR CONVICTIONS
AND YOU TEP UP AND YOU PROVIDE
THE HUMANITARIAN ASSISTANCE THAT
UKRAINES NEED AND THE MILITARY
ASSISTANCE THAT UKRAINE NEEDS.
AS PRESIDENT OF LITHUANIA JUST
SAID AND WESLEY CLARK ON ANOTHER
CHANNEL SAID YESTERDAY, YOU
STOP -- YOU NEED TO STOP PUTIN
IN UKRAINE.
AND THAT MEANS WE NEED TO GET
WHATEVER WE NEED.
>> MR. BILLAC, FIRST OF ALL,
ENORMOUS RESPECT FOR STAYING AND
FIGHTING AND CONTINUING TO SERVE
THE COUNTRY WHERE YOU'VE LIVED
AND SERVED FOR 30 YEARS.
LET' BE SPECIFIC ABOUT WHAT YOU
THINK NATO OUGHT TO DO HERE.
WE'VE BEEN REPORTING ABOUT WHAT
IS HAPPENING NOT FAR FROM YOUR
WHERE SITTING IN THE SUBURB OF
BUCHA.
HORRIFYING WAR CRIMES WITHOUT
QUESTION.
SO WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE
NATO DO?
THEY'VE OBVIOUSLY, PRESIDENT
BIDEN WOULD SAY, WE'RE GIVING
WEAPONS, WE CRIPPLED THE RUSSIAN
ECONOMY WITH SANCTIONS, WHAT DO
YOU NEED ON THE GROUND THERE?
>> WELL, I MEAN, WE NEED LOTS OF
THINGS.
WE NEED THE WEAPONS THAT
UKRAINIANS ARE ASKING FOR AND WE
NEED THE MIGS THAT FOR SOME
REASON THE PENTAGON FEELS WE
DON'T NEED.
THESE ARE MIGS THAT ARE FIGHTER
AIRCRAFT THAT ARE STATIONED IN
EASTERN EUROPEAN NATO COUNTRIES.
WE NEED SURFACE-TO-AIR MISSILES.
THERE IS A WHOLE LIST.
EVERYBODY HAS GOT IT.
AND THEIR STILL DITHERING.
AND PEOPLE ARE DYING.
AND THIS IS -- IT'S REALLY, YOU
EITHER HAVE MORAL CLARITY AROUND
WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE, OR YOU
START TO HAVE CULPABILITY FOR
THE CONSEQUENCES OF YOUR
INACTION.
AND EVERY DAY THAT WE DON'T GET
WHAT WE NEED IN ORDER TO DEFEAT
THIS HORRIFIC ENEMY, THIS
MORTAR, THEN YOU HAVE THE BLOOD
OF CHILDREN AND INNOCENT PEOPLE
ON THE HANDS OF THE
DECISION-MAKERS THAT MAKE THOSE
DECISIONS.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY NATO
DOESN'T COME IN AND CREATE A
HUMANITARIAN CORRIDOR IN SOME OF
THE PLACES LIKE CHERNIVE INTO
THE WEST.
WHY AREN'T NATO WARSHIPS IN THE
SEA, WHERE MINES ARE FLOATING ON
TO THE SHORES OF NATO COUNTRIES.
ROMANIA, BULGARIA AND TURKEY.
WHY IS THERE NO PRESENCE OF NATO
WARSHIPS OFF THE COAST OF
UKRAINE.
I MEAN, I KEEP HEARING A
THOUSAND REASONS WHY SOMETHING
CAN'T HAPPEN.
I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM NATO,
WHAT CAN HAPPEN.
WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO DO.
HOW ARE YOU DOING TO STOP THIS
ATROCITY?
BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T STOP HIM,
IF WE DON'T TOP HIM HERE, HE'S
GO COMING AFTER YOU AND HE'S NOT
MAKING THIS UP.
HE SEES POLAND AND BALTICS AS
THE NEXT TARGET.
AN MIEST FEAR IS THAT THE WEST
WILL STAND BY AND FIGHT PUTIN
DOWN TO THE LAST UKRAINIAN AND
THAT WOULD JUST BE A
HORRIFICALLY UNJUST OUTCOME FOR
THE SUFFERING AND THE SACRIFICE
THAT UKRAINIANSS HAVE MADE FOR
FREEDOM.
THEY HAVE SHOWN THE WEST THAT
FREEDOM IS NOT FREE.
IT COMES AT A COST.
AND IT IS BETTER TO DIE ON YOUR
FEET THAN LIVE ON YOUR KNEES AND
THIS IS A WAR OF ANNIHILATION.
IT IS A WAR OF EXTERMINATION.
THESE PEOPLE WOULD ARE SLOTERED
IN BUCHA, IN IRPIN AND OTHERS
WERE KILLED BECAUSE THEY WERE
UKRAINIANS.
THAT IS THE DEFINITION OF
GENOCIDE.
NO OTHER REASONS.
>> DANIEL BILLAC, THANK YOU FOR
BEING ON THE SHOW.
AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR
BRAVERIER.
HE'S FORMER CHIEF INVESTMENT
ADVISER TO THE PRIME MINISTER OF
UKRAINE.
NOW VOLUNTEERING AS A MEMBER OF