in the studio with me joshua fields melbourne and ryan mega demas
dumnoenngam all us stewart said bob minimalist stud calmed bob
minimalism
liberty meaningful life joshua brian welcome the program
extracts makes great to have you guys you're with us
so uh... illusory joshua
what is minimalism
how did you guys come to this you know i spend most of my twenties searching for
happiness searching for something
to be happy
with unhappy about and and you know i i did everything that i was supposed to do
an order to uh... to be happy you know i got the really great job i climb the
corporate ladder answered accumulated all the things that were supposed to
make me happy
and as i can relate it all
all of that stuff that was doing action the opposite of making me happy instead
of happiness i found debt
and stress and anxiety and discontent
and then also only by my late twenties uh... are standing somewhere everyone
told me i was successful but i didn't feel successful in fact
i had felt unsatisfied with life and then uh... my mother died in my marriage
ended in a very short time answer questions from everything in my life and
discovered this thing called minimalism and i'll people decide
that they were living a amorim meaningful life for uh... a life that
was filled with purpose because
they were able to share their access possessions
and focus on
the things that were important in their life tents and its remarkable josh orion
excuse me
twenty thirty years ago this was called on terry simplicity
henry david thoreau referred to it is living in the full life
um... the yet
he kal wall way back i mean that the spartans it was the spartan if those
some many of them to wear clothes
within three thousand years ago a greek sinning what what is how is modern
minimalism different from these
these uh...
periodic eruptions of
it's right history of of people basically saying
another with the consumer society
yes i think the minimalist best when the on different things of that anecdotally
answer history
i think today minimalism really
uh... speech directly to living deliberately really questioning the
things that we bring into our lives because we are in this culture right now
that tells us the by everything that we see
that's what's going to make us happy
and uncle ike you know josh i had the same thing where i had everything that i
wanted
and down those things that i had
they cured summit is eighteen when i was a habit twenty-eight i would've been
really excited a_t_t_ i can't wait to to to have all the same time once i had all
those things
on the really didn't bring happiness you know that saying we grew up with that
money doesn't buy happiness
really ring true to me i'd age twenty eight
and down you know from the imminent minimalism again is about living more
deliberately and not
just going out and mass consuming as much as possible
buddhism you know uh... buddhist four noble truths all life is suffering the
cause of suffering as attachment if you get rid of attachment u_n_ suffering
enough
hateful pastor diverted suffer her get rid of attachment
the part of that is basically not been attached to material goods
at three thousand years ago yeah
armed
is there any
and ideology red doctrine or any of structure
associated uh... i'd put the state either of you with minimalism like there
is with buddhism pray that you know it's funny we we've been going on for a lot i
haven't budget for me i was in a lot of people come up to us and say
here obviously buddhists
or you're obviously christians
or your uh... efficiency already lp rather common person at the death of
jesus says you're going to change that propelled it you know i think there
there are other bits and pieces of of any faucet for your religious stoicism
you wherever you want to go
um... we can take a more practical proceed as it applies to
uh... not i think the spirits is the spirituality pieces isn't that nice
benefit bore you look at is sort of the surface of the things that are in our
life
and and and try to find a way to apply that to our life for example
you know you look at at all of the superfluous things that that
uh... i used to own the eyes of a basement full of things i would hold on
to so many things just in case nos three words come up allow you get a jump
drawer full of things
just in case all of the extra clothes do you have just in case you're gonna need
them
and i think we hold onto things
now because of the meaning
that they really have a because of some sort of
meaning we give them in a
distant hypothetical future
ryan is a serb of variation on the
the the self-help advice if any haven't touched in a year you should throw away
home yeah i uh... absolutely in fact i have uh... a home
uh... i've been amended the rule about six months for me
hahaha with the exception issit seasonal items 'cause that we do live in montana
gets pretty claudia yeah
it but i want to draw the weather closed comes alive
rare-earth that would be a vast number will come get there are certainly things
that you need or not you and and and and to the internet point you know how do
you plan for things like old age that you know december the december your life
will come
you know i think it's very important to omit we absolutely uh... you ordered iva
rock bar areva died
uh... put into i mean it is and it is uh...
it's not that we live different than anybody else uh... as far as you know
plan for the future that were having insurance are planning you having a
savings account it's about uh... against living more to liberally in deciding you
know where what things maneuvering into my life and what is actually an add
value to my wife
uh... and i would say roth i_r_a_ is actually something that would that would
add value my life
and yet if you are obsessed with it if you attach to it if you think about
constantly if you check it every every you know
twice a day to see if you know the stock market on upper down
bats that point of attachment were all falls apart at the time
yet so will the ending
we can definitely give things like that too much meeting athletic control
our lives and that's again that is what i did with my things as i give my thanks
so much meaning i had my identity wrapped up in things that i know
look at my you look at my car look at my house look over things that i haven't it
was i had my identity attach and that could be a very uh...
i want up a dangerous thing guest yet well and and josh what many people in
america
would identify themselves the way the ryan just said you know this guy and my
stuff
sure others more frequent in the question that you encountered a cocktail
party or uh... perception or you know me where your
brain strangers is what do you do anywhere else you are your job
blom
who are you
hiding behind you you know what incorporate partial was super pretty in
secure if you're you know i
in fact people ask all the time
was the hardest thing for you to get rid of
uh... when we were out on the road and you know they're expecting me to say
like my t_v_ year my favor a pair of shoes or something
but uh...
really the hardest thing for me to get rid of was my identity and i had to
change that question in particular i had to take
that question what do you do because there is any malice and that question
when someone asks it
but i do think it's a precious question i i think
that that question is so expensive can do a lot of things you had required or i
walk but really what we're saying is
what you do for a living and then based upon where your answers on judge u
uh... from what you tell mother something implicit in there about where
do you stand in the social higher sure at well without a doubt and then
i found well i was able to do is to flip that question on spending
i would answer with what i was passion about like all turning and now into a
verb
and so instead of
saying here's my job title it's both talk about something or not that
passionate about for a while
i would say
i'm passionate about writing a veteran literary fiction for a long time and so
i think even before i had anything published
i would tell people i'm really passion about writing fiction can you tell me
what you're passionate about now usually three change that question
it completely changes the direction of of that conversation totally change is
the frame ryan what you've passion
uh... me personally i'm passionate about uh...
you know the the movement that we have going on right now in a message that
were spreading ennui are able to actually you know at a lot of value to
other people's lives
enough for me that's that's why i'm passionate about right now
and it's a funny thing about passion right you can be passionate about one
thing one day and not be passionate about you know be passionate about the
next day file so i'm totally open to ideas change uh... with my passion but
right now it's about time
himself and others with
with other situation as we go through our lives are passions change uh... as a
guy was a lot older and you guys i can't wait for sure that's cesar
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