>> Chris: THE DEMOCRATIC
PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES SQUARED
OFF THIS WEEK FOR THE FIRST TIME
IN TWO NIGHTS OF DEBATES WHICH
PRODUCED A NUMBER OF CONTENTIOUS
MOMENTS AND RAISE NEW DOUBTS
ABOUT THE PARTY'S FRONT RUNNER.
DEMOCRATIC PARTY CHAIR TOM PEREZ
JOINS US TO DISCUSS WHERE THE
RACE FOR THE NOMINATION STANDS
NOW.
WELCOME BACK TO
"FOX NEWS SUNDAY."
I WANT TO START AS I SUSPECT
EVERYBODY WOULD WITH A BRUISING
CONFRONTATION THURSDAY NIGHT
BETWEEN JOE BIDEN AND
KAMALA HARRIS.
HERE IS JUST PART OF THAT.
>> HE ALSO WORKED WITH THEM TO
OPPOSE BUSSING AND THERE WAS A
LITTLE GIRL IN CALIFORNIA WHO
WAS PART OF THE SECOND CLASS TO
INTEGRATE HER PUBLIC SCHOOL.
AND SHE WAS BUS TO SCHOOL EVERY
DAY.
IN THAT LITTLE GIRL WAS ME.
>> A MISCHARACTERIZATION OF MY
POSITION ACROSS THE BOARD.
I DID NOT PRAISE RACIST, THAT IS
NOT TRUE.
>> DO YOU AGREE TODAY THAT YOU
WERE WRONG TO OPPOSE BUSSING IN
AMERICA, DO YOU AGREE?
>> I DID NOT OPPOSE BUSSING IN
AMERICA.
WHAT I OPPOSED WAS BUSSING
ORDERED BY THE DEPARTMENT OF
EDUCATION.
>> Chris: HOW BADLY WAS
JOE BIDEN DAMAGED BY THAT
CONFRONTATION?
>> MOTORS ARE GOING TO LOOK AT
THE TOTALITY OF EVERYBODY'S
RECORD AND THE REALITY IS, EVERY
SINGLE DEMOCRAT RUNNING FOR
PRESIDENT ON THE ISSUE OF CIVIL
RIGHTS IS SO FAR AHEAD OF WHERE
THIS PRESIDENT IS WHETHER IT'S
FIGHTING FOR VOTING RIGHTS,
FIGHTING TO MAKE SURE.
>> Chris: LET'S NOT GET OFF OF
JOE BIDEN.
THEY MAKE THAT WILL BE UP FOR
THEY VOTERS TO DECIDE.
THEY ARE OUT ON THE STUMP EVERY
SINGLE DAY AND WHAT VOTERS ARE
GOING TO DO AND THE REASON I'M
EXCITED ABOUT WHAT WE HAD LAST
WEEK IS I THINK VOTERS WE HAD A
DEEP BENCH AND THAT OUR FOCUS ON
ISSUES OF HEALTH CARE, MAKING
SURE THIS ECONOMY WORKS FOR
EVERYONE, THOSE ARE THE ISSUES
THAT ANIMATE PEOPLE.
>> Chris: WE ARE GOING TO GET
TO ALL OF THAT.
CLEARLY, BIDEN THOUGHT THAT HE
HAD BEEN DAMAGED.
HE TRIED TO REPAIR WHAT HAD GONE
ON THURSDAY NIGHT WITH
KAMALA HARRIS.
LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
>> I RESPECT SENATOR HARRIS.
BUT WE ALL KNOW THAT 30 SECONDS
TO 60 SECONDS ON A CAMPAIGN
DEBATE EXCHANGE CAN'T DO JUSTICE
TO A LIFETIME COMMITMENT TO
CIVIL RIGHTS.
>> Chris: BIDEN SAID HE NEVER
OPPOSED VOLUNTARY BUSSING BUT
THAT BADLY DISTORTS HIS ACTUAL
RECORD.
I WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT THIS.
IN 1975, BIDEN SUPPORTED AN
ANTI-BUSSING MEASURE FROM EVENTS
SEGREGATIONIST SENATOR.
BUSSING ORDERS IN THE COURSE TO
DESEGREGATE SCHOOLS AND BIDEN
SAID THIS IN AN INTERVIEW AND
75.
I OPPOSE BUSSING.
IT IS AN ASININE CONCEPT THE
UTILITY OF WHICH HAS NEVER BEEN
PROVEN TO ME.
BIDEN'S RECORD AGAINST BUSSING
IS CLEAR.
>> 'S OVERALL RECORD ON CIVIL
RIGHTS IS CLEAR AND THE
DEMOCRATIC PARTY'S OVERALL
RECORD ON CIVIL RIGHTS IS CLEAR
AND WHAT I'D ALWAYS THOUGHT
RUNNING FOR OFFICE AS THEY WANT
YOU TO LOOK AT THE TOTALITY OF
WHAT THEY'VE DONE IN THEIR
CAREER.
THE TOTALITY OF FIGHTING FOR
VOTING RIGHTS, FIGHTING TO MAKE
SURE WE HOLD POLICE DEPARTMENTS
ACCOUNTABLE, FIGHTING TO MAKE
SURE THAT WOMEN HAVE EQUAL PAY
FOR EQUAL WORK AND THAT WE
PASSIVE VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN
ACT.
VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN AND OTHER
DEMOCRATS HAVE BEEN LEADING THE
CHARGE AND WE HAVE A FRONTAL
ASSAULT WITH THIS PRESIDENT ON
THESE BASIC CORE CIVIL RIGHTS
AND THAT'S WHAT THIS IS ABOUT.
THAT'S WHAT THIS CAMPAIGN HAS
BEEN ABOUT.
>> Chris: I'M TALKING ABOUT
THE FIGHT FOR THE NOMINATION
WITHIN YOUR PARTY ON THE
QUESTION IS IS THE
DEMOCRATIC PARTY GOING TO
NOMINATE SOMEONE WHO OPPOSED THE
MAIN TOOL AT ONE POINT TO
DESEGREGATE PUBLIC SCHOOLS IN
THIS COUNTRY?
>> THAT'S GOING TO BE UP TO THE
VOTERS AND THEY'RE GOING TO LOOK
AT THE TOTALITY OF EVERYBODY'S
RECORD AND WHAT THEY'VE SAID,
WHAT THEY HAVE DONE AND WHO WAS
FIGHTING FOR THEM AND WHETHER
IT'S THE ECONOMY, CIVIL RIGHTS,
EVERY DEMOCRAT HAS THE BACKS OF
PEOPLE AND THAT'S WHAT I THINK
VOTERS ARE GOING TO SEE.
>> Chris: DOES IT BOTHER YOU
PERSONALLY THAT JOE BIDEN OPPOSE
THE MAIN TOOL TO DESEGREGATE
SCHOOLS?
>> IT'S UP TO THE VICE PRESIDENT
TO EXPLAIN HIS POSITION.
THAT'S WHAT HE DID FRIDAY AND
THAT'S WHAT YOU'LL CONTINUE TO
DO BECAUSE AGAIN, I KNOW HIM
WELL, HE HAS FOUGHT FOR EQUALITY
AND OPPORTUNITY, YOU LOOK AT
WHAT HAPPENED.
THE VOTERS WILL HAVE TO LOOK AT
THE TOTALITY OF THE
VICE PRESIDENT'S RECORD AND
EVERY CANDIDATE'S RECORD AND I
INVITE THEM TO KICK THE TIRES ON
ALL OF OUR CANDIDATES BECAUSE
THE GOOD NEWS IS THE DIFFERENCE
BETWEEN US AND THIS PRESIDENT IS
NIGHT AND DAY ON THESE ISSUES OF
CIVIL RIGHTS.
THE PARTY OF LINCOLN USED TO BE
THE PARTY OF CIVIL RIGHTS OF THE
PARTY OF LINCOLN'S DEAD.
IF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY THAT'S
FIGHTING TO MAKE SURE THAT
EVERYBODY HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO
REALIZE THE AMERICAN DREAM.
>> Chris: LET'S TURN TO
ANOTHER KEY MOMENT IN THIS
WEEK'S DEBATES, TAKE A LOOK.
>> RAISE YOUR HAND IF YOUR
GOVERNMENT PLAN WOULD PROVIDE
COVERAGE FOR UNDOCUMENTED
IMMIGRANTS.
>> Chris: EVERY PERSON ON THAT
STAGE, ALL TEN OF THEM SAID THAT
THEY WOULD PROVIDE HEALTH
INSURANCE COVERAGE FOR PEOPLE IN
THIS COUNTRY ILLEGALLY EITHER
UNDER OBAMACARE FOR MEDICARE FOR
ALL, WHICHEVER THEY SUPPORTED.
NO TALK ABOUT PRECONDITIONS, NOT
PAYING IN TAXES, THE BASIC POINT
WAS WE WERE IN THIS COUNTRY
LEGALLY OR ILLEGALLY, YOU COULD
HEALTH INSURANCE COVERAGE.
>> IS AN INSURANCE PROGRAM SO
HAVE TO PAY INTIMATE.
SO IMMIGRANTS PAY BILLIONS OF
DOLLARS IN TAXES AND THAT'S THE
REALITY.
WHAT DEMOCRATS ALSO SAID WHICH
IS FAR DIFFERENT FROM THE
REPUBLICANS IS THAT IF YOU HAVE
A PRE-EXISTING CONDITION, HE
SHOULD BE ABLE TO KEEP YOUR
COVERAGE.
DEMOCRATS BELIEVE THAT
HEALTH CARE SHOULD BE AVAILABLE,
AFFORDABLE QUALITY HEALTH CARE
SHOULD BE AVAILABLE TO EVERYONE
AND THANKS TO OBAMA, MEDICARE
AND MEDICAID 90% OF THE WAY
THERE.
HAVING A DISCUSSION ABOUT HOW TO
GET THE FINAL.
>> Chris: WHAT WE ARE TALKING
ABOUT IS WHETHER OR NOT PEOPLE
IN THE COUNTRY ILLEGALLY SHOULD
GET GOVERNMENT BENEFITS.
A MEMBER WHEN PRESIDENT OBAMA
TOLD CONGRESS BACK IN 2009, HERE
IT IS.
>> THOSE WHO CLAIM THAT OUR
REFORM EFFORTS WOULD INCLUDE
ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS, THIS TOO IS
FALSE.
WHEN THAT REPUBLICAN CONGRESSMAN
JOE WILSON WAS CALLED OUT AND
QUITE RIGHTLY SO FOR SHOUTING
OUT IN A SPEECH TO A JOINT
SESSION OF CONGRESS YOU LIVE BUT
THE FACT IS TEN YEARS LATER, JOE
WILSON IS RIGHT ABOUT WHERE THE
DEMOCRATS ARE NOW.
>> DEMOCRATS BELIEVE THAT YOU
SHOULD BE ABLE TO BUY INTO A
HEALTH INSURANCE SYSTEM.
IT'S NOT A HANDOUT.
>> Chris: OBAMA DIDN'T SAY
THAT.
>> WE WERE IN A DIFFERENT ERA.
I BELIEVE WHAT WE ARE DOING
RIGHT NOW, I LIVE IN A COMMUNITY
RIGHT NOW WHERE IF YOU ARE A
PREGNANT WOMAN AND YOU ARE
UNDOCUMENTED, WE PROVIDE YOU
WITH ACCESS TO HEALTH CARE
BECAUSE WE BELIEVE THAT HAVING
GOOD PRENATAL CARE IS AN
ESSENTIAL HEALTH CARE ISSUE AN
ESSENTIAL ISSUE OF ECONOMICS AND
FRANKLY AN ESSENTIAL ISSUE OF
MORALITY AND THE PARTY OF
LINCOLN IS DEAD AND ONE OF THE
THINGS THAT DIED WITH IT IS
COMPASSION AND THIS IS NOT A
HANDOUT.
AGAIN, THIS IS ALLOWING PEOPLE
TO BUY INTO AN INSURANCE PROGRA
PROGRAM.
PEOPLE WHO PAY BILLIONS OF
DOLLARS IN TAXES AND AGAIN, I
THINK.
>> Chris: ANOTHER PROPOSAL
THAT WAS WIDELY SUPPORTED IN THE
DEBATES THIS WEEK IS A CHANGE TO
OUR IMMIGRATION LAWS.
TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
>> WHEN SOMEBODY COMES ACROSS
THE BORDER NOT TO CRIMINALIZE
DESPERATION, TREAT THAT AS A
CIVIL VIOLATION.
>> Chris: IS A CIVIL MATTER
AND IT'S IMPORTANT TO MAKE THIS,
I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND UNTIL I
LOOKED INTO IT.
PEOPLE HAVE COME ACROSS A
LEGALLY WOULD STILL BE ABLE TO
BE DEPORTED.
BUT YOU WOULD BE REMOVING IF YOU
FOLLOW WHAT MR. CASTRO SAYS.
HE WOULD BE REMOVING AT LEAST
THE PREP OF LEGAL ACTION.
DOESN'T THAT PROVIDE A MAGNET
FOR PEOPLE TO COME INTO THE
COUNTRY ILLEGALLY BECAUSE THE
THREAT OF LEGAL ACTION AND JAIL
TIME IS REMOVED?
>> THIS IS WHY WE ARE HAVING
THIS DISCUSSION, THE PART OF THE
LAW THAT SECRETARY CASTRO WAS
REFERRING TO.
THE REASON WE ARE HAVING THIS
DISCUSSION IS BECAUSE THIS
ADMINISTRATION ABSOLUTELY ABUSED
IT AND ESTABLISH THE SO-CALLED
ZERO-TOLERANCE AND THE PROBLEM
WITH THIS PRESIDENT IS ALL HE
WANTS TO DO WAS LOOK TOUGH.
HE DOESN'T WANT TO BE EFFECTIVE.
THIS ZERO-TOLERANCE POLICY HAS
ABSOLUTELY CATACLYSMIC IMPACT.
THAT RESULTED IN CHILDREN BEING
PUT IN CAGES.
IF YOU HAD EXERCISE THE
DISCRETION PROPERLY AS PRIOR
PRESIDENTS HAVE DONE, THIS
WOULDN'T HAPPEN TO THE REASON WE
ARE HAVING THIS DISCUSSION, 57%
OF ALL FEDERAL CASES, CRIMINAL
CASES THAT HAVE BEEN FILED IN
THE LAST TWO YEARS HAVE BEEN FOR
ENTERING THE COUNTRY ILLEGALLY.
I WELCOME A DISCUSSION ABOUT
PRIORITIES.
IF THAT'S WHAT DEMOCRATS WANT TO
HAVE.
WE BELIEVE WE CAN BE A NATION OF
LAWS AND A NATION OF IMMIGRANTS.
WE BELIEVE WE CAN PROVIDE
EFFECTIVE DUE PROCESS TO PEOPLE,
WE BELIEVE THE REASON WHY THIS
IS HAPPENING IS BECAUSE IN
HONDURAS AND GUATEMALA AND
EL SALVADOR, THE COUNTRIES ARE
FALLING APART.
THE PEOPLE COMING TO THE BORDER
NOW ARE FAMILIES WITH CHILDREN.
IF THE WORK PRIORITIES OF THIS
ADMINISTRATION, THE CHAOS OF
THEIR POLICY BUT THAT'S WHY WE
HAVE TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION.
WE SHOULD BE FOCUSED ON VIOLENT
FELONS AND THIS ADMINISTRATION
IS FOCUSED ON SEPARATING
CHILDREN FROM FAMILIES.
I WELCOME THE DISCUSSION ABOUT A
COHERENT POLICY.
AND I WAS THE PRESIDENT WOULD
STOP TWEETING AND START SOLVING