now this boy is growing up lovely chap he loves gymnastics stuff like that look like i would like
him physical love swimming wrestling gymnastics and who does he meet there rakhal remember that
rakha the one who loves to them go like you know with foam krishna and mother goddess
they become best of friends they hit it off very well and narendra has now joined the brahmos samaj
of keshav chandrasen remember i mentioned okay in the last talk the brahma samaji is saying
god with form discard god without form is the way to progress this is outdated idea throw it out
and narendra and rakhal visit and listen to this because very popular speakers they all
visit and they are kind of captivated and i don't think that's makes sense the idea
of go with form kind of bit tricky this sounds right so if he saw rakhal anytime
passing by a temple you know in india if you pass by temple you always go like that
and you tell rakalu he said no stop it you're not supposed to do that rakhal
and rakhal is a gentle boy easily intimidated so every time they think he would avoid narendra
and go a different way because this guy will tell him off and he's a gentle fellow he can't take it
and this guy would run away ram krishna was watching this fun so he told narendra in
later time stop harassing this boy leave him alone he's got his own way of making spiritual progress
don't insist on your way let him progress as your likes you have to stop him admonish him
let me let me tell you about the first meeting or they feel like the first meeting when
vivekananda visits ramakrishna now you see this boy again what attracts this boy look this
shows your sincerity if you want to relate to religion purely as an intellectual thing
something to feel that you've done as well you've done this you've done that you've done
cruise in the world you don't visit at this place you take your name okay we don't religion tick
then ram question is not for you when there is a serious desire within your heart not to just
believe but to experience spirituality experiences god when the serious desire arises in you that you
want to experience this and nothing less will do then you'll be drawn by this personality
look there's nothing that will draw you to him he's not holding shankan chakra and gada nothing
nothing look at him so ordinary so unless that's sincere you know this love of
experiencing god is not there you will not be drawn by him you'll not be attracted to him at all
because you are looking for superficial and doesn't give you any superficial
when you are interested in the depth of spirituality this idea of experiential religion
you'll be drawn to him in this narendra the age of 17 is now struggling with the idea of god where is
the proof of god he says everybody is talking about it but when i because he's now studying
western philosophy he's well-versed in western philosophy already there's 17 years studied the
most major western philosophers and he's beginning to doubt the idea of god because you see suffering
although i'm saying this is not right something is not right here he's struggling with idea of god it
doesn't fit in very well so now what else can do what can a youngster do the best thing is to find
somebody who can affirm who can give credential to god say yes god is for real where can he find he
said all these religious personalities normally would they be katha cars purhanis will turn up
he would go and visit them listen to their stories and all that in the end of it he would go in front
of everybody he would fire a very pointed question says sir you talk about god have you seen god
nothing less will do you know it's not a very blunt blank point blank question have you seen
god and all of them you know kind of you know scratch their heads and say well it's a feeling
and we'll get it later on and and this is not a feeling it's a something that's yes or no black
and white it can't be gray and they all gave him grey answers you know grayscale answers
he rejected all of them is no time in fact the more he asked the more perturbed he became
thinking there is no god all these guys are making up it's just storytelling just for us to be we
regulate ourselves and live well with each other and behave well you create all these gods and
goddesses so we behave well society is a social phenomena anthropology there's nothing more to it
so it became more important i think that everybody's making it up the whole thing
is kind of you know like you know that king without clothes everybody's saying yes you're
wearing clothes and he's kind of wandering around naked this is like that it's just made up it's not
for real he became very agitated more invited he got more sure this is not there is no god
and during this process he also came across this devendra tagore you know ravenna tagore's father
he was supposed to be maharishi they were not a ghost he said maharishi must go and see him
maharshi means he must have seen god and he went to visit him he just
went and you know opened his door of his study without announcement entered in a very kind of
excited we said sir have you seen god he just wanted somebody to approve saying yes i have
and mercy when they not ago looked at him these are poets flowery chips he said my boy
you got eyes there are like lotuses and that's i am not looking for somebody to place my eyes
have you seen god or no and the answer was basically you know kind of waffle
he walked away couldn't be bothered and he was getting more and more worked up about it
at this time you see he meets one of these ramchan of that by the way is his cousin brother
they're all in the family one was his servant the other one is a cousin
so they told him if you want if you are serious about this god business go and visit this
old man this priest in the kali temple he will be able to sort your problem out
that heard this wonderful priest in the kali temple his reputation had spread but the
reputation is a madman that was the reputation he had required ramakrishna the standard no problem
so they said go and visit him he will sort you out and then said an illiterate priest in a kali term
you know he doesn't believe in god with form to start with an illiterate priest in a calling is
going to resolve my issue about god i will study can't shop on howard hegel you mind all of these
how he's going to stand up to my challenge uh no time they pushed him this look we are serious
go and catch him talk to him after prodding this narendra decided to visit ramakrishna
in the temple house in the temple garden and this is a story you event with some friends
they saw a man with ordinary clothes this clothes sitting on a wooden bench
talking sweetly about god to lots of people sitting on the mat in front of him
that in the set and there somebody asked him to sing a song he was very good at singing
forget about music forget about just you know developing muscles he was very good at singing too
so look likes all this stuff this i'm pointing at him you see these are the things that he's
saying yeah good stuff here this is what everybody should do music yes play harmonium and go to the
gymnasium and narendra read both and they asked him to sing and he started to sing and he's saying
something i'm not allowed to sing you know that he's saying something very sweet he said oh mind
let us go back home we seem to be in a foreign land and we lost our way and we are struggling
in this world that doesn't make sense you see he was struggling with this world he was trying to
make sense of the human condition see the standard stuff he was struggling oh mind let us go back
to our home we are in a foreign land where things don't make sense was searching for god and when a
person like this sings little hit the audience and the wrong question was watching and listening and
he was of course very excited by this boy straight away as soon as the song was over he jumped up
this ramakrishna pulled narendra by's in and took him outside the room in a corner quiet isolated
part where nobody could hear them this is a real story i told you i'm not exaggerating any of this
this is well recorded by a lot of people this is only 150 year old story not thousands of year old
story which can be made up or exaggerated there he took him pulled him out then he folded ramakrishna
folded his hands bow down to narendra and say ah you come at long last you've come why were you so
late my ears are burning by listening to all these worldly people talking about the worldly problems
i was waiting for you why did you take such a long time you are the sage naru narayan rishi who has
come down to earth for the benefit of mankind and i am very pleased you come and he bow down to him
and the renderer was standing is about 18 year old now young man thinking i have come to see a madman
complete nuts this guy is not my name is narendra nada i am vishwanath that's putra child and he's
calling me nur narayan is completely gone this man is gone but he seems to be a nice chap but except
little bit loose here but he seems to be a ris you know nice man means well basically this is
how we do when we meet somebody we are not so sure busy means well you know since it means well but
the press is not all there but the story didn't stop ramakrishna quickly went back into his room
and he had kept little bit of you know rasgullas will people will bring from kolkata rasgulla
standard stuff and all the sweets were there in a little pot or something he pulled took it out
he said open your mouth you 18 year old boy don't tell him open mouths and stuff just open
your mouth started stuffing it in stuffing then i said look i have enough give it to me i'll share
it with my friend no they will have it later on you must i must feed you he was feeding him
you see the love that was pouring out around questioning to see this disciple is incredible
real low real love you're forced force feeding the boy saying stop it complete mad man here
this is the first meeting with the this the guru
bows down to the disciple i told you unusually this ramakrishna an unusually unusual easy story
wow unusual fellow but seems to be a gentle and good person he attracts me
something about him attracts me i must come and see him a second time sorry before that
happened of course the usual stuff happened when trump is finished he's one of his talks
he pulled out his arrow and fired at him saying sir have you seen god expecting the normal waffle
but here when he fired one arrow two arrows came back two this ramakrishna i told he was a master
he was the disciple so he fired two arrows back the first thing that came out of ram question is
yes my boy i can see god more clearly than i can see you nobody has used such language this is
the language of experience god is something that can be experienced in a more dramatic way than me
able to experience you nobody use this language it's not in the vedas he comes from a personal
experience god language of this contemporary language is crucial when you meet a god man it
tells you you're dealing with the right person i can see more clearly than i see you my boy
and the second thing he added the second arrow he fired he said
and i can show him to you remember what i said you meet different kinds of god men some who
can see goat for themselves some who can hold our hand and pull pull us through and show good to us
if you meet any of this one second right never let go never let go so viewer comes taken aback
he's talking that he can see god more clearly than me this is i've not heard that before i
heard also waffle but this this is new one and he can show me him to me that will make sure i'm
sure that things are not only just he's making it up i can see him too fantastic stuff here
so the low the bondage bond was beginning to develop between the master and the disciple
the story doesn't stop there dharnanda said i'll go and visit him next time on my own
so again after some day after month or so narendra again visit ramakrishna this time there is nobody
in the room comes in the middle of the day or something there's nobody there and i'm just
sitting on his bedstead sis narendra is very very pleased to see him come here come here sit down
next to me and he sits down ram krishna gets up and it does your thing starts muttering like that
mata matamata wandering around and they're in the watching what funny thing is going to do next now
last time is bowing down to me what is he going to do next what drama he was waiting 18 year boy
he's very sharp what drama is this goldman going to do now i used to call him old man
this shows real reverence real oneness in this matamata came muttering muttering
and he touched him i told you watch him don't let him touch he touched him and in naren's own words
in narendra's own word he said the moment this old man came muttering nearly i don't know what
he was muttering he muttering and he came and touched me the moment he touched me i was sitting
firmly on this bedstead and i could see the walls and the temple and everything
suddenly everything started to rotate and go fast and faster round and round
and begin to disappear the temple the floor me everything began to disappear
whirling and disappearing and i shouted stop it don't you know i've got mummy and daddy at home
so ram question again touched him all right all right he said we'll do it some other time
you know what had happened this guy had said i wish to see god and ram question the second visit
wanted to give it away in the form of good this this viva kanan was going to see is not the form
like with form with four arms he wants to see the comprehensive god is the whole of this creation
and this is the beginning of the experience this thing becomes unified and it's just drum questions
i'll give you that straight away and this boy was not mentally ready so that's why ah stop it
rock is okay your day will come for the time being no and as as soon as he said it so you can say i
looked round everything was back to normal the walls had come back things were back to normal
this is the if you like the second visit then he came a third time because you see
now he's glued to this ram question he knows something traumatic is happening
he thought this man may be using hypnotism on me you see he's thinking in his own western way
hypnotism he's kind of maximizing me and doing some weird things on me but i'm a very strong
will person only weak will people people can be easily hypnotized this time i'm going to make
sure he doesn't hypnotize me he came again you see he's back for more this time ram question
took him to the garden made him sit down under the tree and again came near him again touched
the next time he touched narendra went into deep meditation could not recall anything
himself but ramakrishna later on said i sent him a deep meditation and asked him questions
and he gave me answers i asked him where he is where does he come from for how long will he be on
earth what kind of work has he come to do and he gave me answers that satisfied me she was checking
up the credential of the student he's got the right one unusual story but real story real story
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