>>> WELCOME BACK. THE UKRAINE STORY HAS MOVED AT
WARP SPEED AND ITS
UNDERSTANDABLE IF PEOPLE ARE
CONFUSED ABOUT WHAT THE
PRESIDENT IS ACCUSED OF DOING,
WHY HE CALLED THE UKRAINE
PRESIDENT.
PRESIDENT.
IM JOINED BY MICHAEL McFAUL,
PRESIDENT OBAMAS AMBASSADOR TO
RUSSIA.
HES THE AUTHOR TO "COLD WAR TO
HOT PEACE."
HES A SENIOR FELLOW AT THE HOOVER INSTITUTION. AT THE
HOOVER INSTITUTION.
HE AND I ARE GOING TO WALK YOU THROUGH A BRIEF TIMELINE TO AT
LEAST HELP YOU UNDERSTAND HOW WE
GOT TO THE POINT WERE AT.
MICHAEL McFAUL, WELL TRY TO DO
THIS THE WAY YOU SPENDING YOUR
DAYS.
DAYS.
>> STANDING UP HERE IN FRONT OF
OUR SLIDES.
>> IN FRONT OF OUR SLIDES.
>> THANKS FOR HAVING ME, CHUCK.
>> THE PHONE CALL WAS ACTUALLY
THE MIDDLE, IT LOOKS LIKE -- >> YES.DLE, IT LOOKS LIKE --
>> YES.
>> -- OF THIS CONTROVERSY, NOT THE BEGINNING.CONTROVERSY, NOT
THE BEGINNING. IN FACT THE BEGINNING GOES BACK
TO EARLY 19 WHEN AS PERSONAL
ATTORNEY FOR PRESIDENT TRUMP,
RUDY GIULIANI STARTS LOOKING FOR
UKRAINIAN CONTACTS TO HELP HIM
IN RUDY GIULIANIS WORDS FIND
OUT THE ORIGINS OF THE MUELLER
REPORT.
REPORT.
>> RIGHT.
>> LOOK FOR THE REAL HACKERS POTENTIALLY.THE REAL HACKERS
POTENTIALLY.
>> RIGHT.
>> LOOKING FOR SOME DIRT ON JOE
BIDEN.
HE MEETS WITH A PROSECUTOR
GENERAL BY THE NAME OF LUCENKO A
FEW TIMES AND WHAT IS HE LOOKING FOR EXACTLY?D WHAT IS HE LOOKING
FOR EXACTLY? HES TRYING TO GET A CONSPIRACY
THEORY THAT UKRAINE, NOT RUSSIA,
HACKED THE DNC AND JOE BIDEN HAD
A FORMER PROSECUTOR FIRED SIMPLE
LOW TO HELP HIS SON.
WALK ME THROUGH THESE.
>> LETS START WITH JOE BIDEN
AND THE PROSECUTOR.
THE MAN BEFORE LUSCNEKO WAS THE
ONE WE WERE PUTTING PRESSURE ON
AND HE WASNT DOING ENOUGH TO
INVESTIGATE CORRUPTION,
INVESTIGATE CORRUPTION,
INCLUDING BIDENS SON. SO WHEN HE COMES ON THE SCENE,
GIULIANI THINKS HE HAS A NEW
PARTNER, SOMEBODY HE CAN GO
AFTER THIS STORY AND HE DOES
AGGRESSIVELY.
AGGRESSIVELY.
THE SECOND PART IS A LITTLE MORE COCKAMAMIE.PART IS A LITTLE MORE
COCKAMAMIE.
THEY WANT TO BUILD THIS THEORY
THAT SOMEHOW A COMPANY CALLED
CROWDSTRIKE FOUND THE EMAILS,
PUBLICIZED THEM, SOME UKRAINIAN CONNECTION WHICH I DONTKRAINIAN
CONNECTION WHICH I DONT UNDERSTAND AND THAT WAS A WAY TO
HELP HILLARY CLINTON WIN THE
ELECTION.
ELECTION.
BUT BOTH OF THOSE STORIES MR. GIULIANI IS TRYING TO FIND,R.
GIULIANI IS TRYING TO FIND, THATS WHY HES ENGAGED WITH
UKRAINE.
UKRAINE.
>> WELL, HE IS ABLE TO GET SOME OF THIS STUFF INTO THE GET SOME
OF THIS STUFF INTO THE CONSERVATIVE ECHO CHAMBER,
MOSTLY THROUGH FOX NEWS.
YOU SEE CONSTANTLY THROUGH THE
MONTH OF MARCH AND ON TWITTER
UKRAINE AND BIDEN AND WHATS
THIS AND ALL THIS STUFF.
SO CREATING THIS PREDICATE THAT
SOMEHOW THIS MATTERS.
AND THEN SOMETHING OUT OF THE
ORDINARY HAPPENS TO THEIR PLAN.
APRIL 21st, A SURPRISE VICTOR IN
THE UKRAINIAN PRESIDENTIAL
ELECTION.
ELECTION.
WHY DID THIS SET THEM BACK? >> BECAUSE THE PREVIOUSACK?
>> BECAUSE THE PREVIOUS PROSECUTOR, MR. LUSCENKO WAS
THEIR GUY.
THEIR GUY.
HE WAS WORKING WITH GIULIANI AND SUDDENLY HIS BOSS LOSES THEI AND
SUDDENLY HIS BOSS LOSES THE ELECTION.
ELECTION.
>> ALL THIS WORK MR. GIULIANI HAD DONE TO CURRY FAVOR WITH THE
PRESIDENTS LEAD INVESTIGATOR,
WHOS THIS ZELENSKY GUY.
>> HOW ARE WE GOING TO KEEP
PUSHING THIS STORY WITH A BRAND
NEW PRESIDENT.
NEW PRESIDENT.
>> CLEARLY THE PRESIDENT MAYBE
NEEDED LEVERAGE, SO WHAT DO THEY DO.DED LEVERAGE, SO WHAT DO THEY
DO.
THEY FORCE OUT THE AMBASSADOR WHO HAD BEEN GETTING IN A BACK
AND FORTH WITH RUDY A)&DGIULIANI
GIULIANI CANCELS HIS OWN TRIP TO
MEET WITH SOME PEOPLE CLOSE TO
ZELENSKY.
ZELENSKY.
THEN THIS, THE ULTIMATE SNUB,
VICE PRESIDENT PENCE WAS GOING
TO LEAD OUR DELEGATION TO ZELENSKYS INAUGURATION.TO
ZELENSKYS INAUGURATION. THEY YANK HIM AND IT WAS MEANT
TO SEND A MESSAGE.
JULY 18th A BIGGER MESSAGE.
THEY ANNOUNCED THE FREEZING OF
THE AID, NEARLY $400 MILLION
THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO GO TO
UKRAINE.
UKRAINE.
IT ISNT CLEAR IF THE UKRAINIAN
GOVERNMENT KNEW IT WAS DEFINITELY BEING FROZEN OVER ALL
OF THIS, BUT OF COURSE THIS
LEADS TO THE PHONE CALL ON JULY
25th, WHICH, BY THE WAY,
HAPPENED THE DAY AFTER MUELLERS
TESTIMONY BEFORE CONGRESS.
WE THINK ITS WORTHY OF THIS.
BUT ALL OF THOSE ACTIONS LEADS
US TO I WOULD LIKE YOU TO DO US
A FAVOR, THOUGH.
THIS WAS ABOUT WHAT?
>> WELL, THIS IS ABOUT PRESIDENT
TRUMP ASKING PRESIDENT ZELENSKY
TO HELP HIM FIND DIRT ON HIS
POLITICAL OPPONENT IN 2020.
ITS CLEAR AS DAY IN THE
TRANSCRIPT.
TRANSCRIPT.
AND THERE IS LEVERAGE THERE. WHETHER EXACTLY WHAT THEY KNEW I
DONT THINK IS IMPORTANT.
THERES ALWAYS LEVERAGE WHEN
YOURE TALKING TO THE PRESIDENT
OF THE UNITED STATES BECAUSE ALL
LEADERS OF THE WORLD WANT TO
HAVE A GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH
THE PRESIDENT.
THE PRESIDENT. ITS ESPECIALLY IMPORTANT WHEN
YOUR COUNTRY IS OCCUPIED BY
PUTIN AND YOU NEED THE LEADER OF
THE FREE WORLD TO BE ON YOUR
SIDE.
SIDE.
AND WHEN ANYBODY SAYS LET ME ASK FOR A FAVOR, THERES NO FAVORSASK
FOR A FAVOR, THERES NO FAVORS IN DIPLOMACY, EVERYTHING IS A
QUID PRO QUO.
EVERYTHING IS YOU DO THIS, ILL HELP YOU.G IS YOU DO THIS, ILL
HELP YOU.
>> THIS TRIGGERS, OBVIOUSLY, A WHOLE BUNCH OF CONCERN.USLY, A
WHOLE BUNCH OF CONCERN. THE WHISTLE-BLOWER FIRST GOES TO
HIS GENERAL COUNSEL AT CIA.
THEN HES WORRIED ITS GOING TO
GET SQUASHED, FILES THE
WHISTLE-BLOWER COMPLAINT.
WHISTLE-BLOWER COMPLAINT. THE HOUSE BEGINS AN
INVESTIGATION.
INVESTIGATION.
THE ADMINISTRATION DOES RELEASE
THE AID TO UKRAINE VERY QUICKLY, BUT AT THIS POINT IT SEEMS TO BE
TOO LATE AND THEN WE FIND OUT OF
COURSE THIS IS ALL ABOUT
UKRAINE.
UKRAINE.
WHATS THE -- IS THERE ANY PART OF THIS THAT YOU THINK WE DONT
YET KNOW WHEN IT COMES TO THE
UKRAINIAN SIDE THAT WILL ADD TO
THIS STORY?
THIS STORY? >> I THINK ITS PRETTY CLEAR
CUT, MYSELF.
CUT, MYSELF. I DONT THINK THIS IS A CASE
WHERE WE NEED TO KNOW LOTS MORE
DETAILS.
DETAILS.
THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED
STATES USED HIS OFFICE NOT TO ADVANCE AMERICAN NATIONALT TO
ADVANCE AMERICAN NATIONAL INTERESTS BUT HIS PRIVATE
ELECTORAL GAINS.
ELECTORAL GAINS. THE ONLY PIECE IM INTERESTED
IN, CHUCK, IS WHATS THE RUSSIA
ANGLE?
ANGLE?
JUST A FEW DAYS AFTER THAT CALL, HES ON THE PHONE WITH VLADIMIRL,
HES ON THE PHONE WITH VLADIMIR PUTIN.
PUTIN.
IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT CALL HAS
ALSO BEEN, YOU KNOW, SOMEHOW PUT ON THE SECRET SERVER.SOMEHOW PUT
ON THE SECRET SERVER. >> YEP.
>> YEP.
>> I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW WHAT HE
TALKED ABOUT WITH PUTIN.
>> WILL CONGRESS EVER SEE ANY OF
THE COMMUNICATIONS BETWEEN THE
PRESIDENT AND PUTIN?