IRRITATED LUNGS FROM BEAR AND
PEPPER SPRAY.
PEOPLE WITH TIPS ARE ASKED TO
CALL 1-800-FBI.
ON CAPITOL HILL, A SENIOR AIDE
SAID LEGISLATION TO CREATE
A 9/11 STYLE COMMISSION WILL BE
INTRODUCED IN THE HOUSE WITHIN
THE NEXT THREE DAYS.
TO GET A SENSE OF WHAT AN
INVESTIGATION LIKE THIS WILL
TAKE, THE 9/11 COMMISSION HAD A
FULL TIME STAFF OF 80 PEOPLE AND A BUDGET OF ABOUT $15 MILLION.
A BUDGET OF ABOUT $15 MILLION.
ITS WORK TOOK 20 MONTHS,1-800-CA JOINING US NOW IS THE CHAIR OF
JOINING US NOW IS THE CHAIR OF
THE 9/11 COMMISSION, TOM CAIN.
SIR, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME
THIS AFTERNOON.
YOU SAID THE COMMISSION SHOULD
HAVE SUBPOENA POWER.
WHAT CAN A COMMISSION DO THAT AN
IMPEACHMENT TRIAL COULD NOT DO?
>> FIRST OF ALL, YOU CAN FACT
FIND ACTUALLY WHAT HAPPENED IN
THE CAPITOL THAT DAY BECAUSE WE
STILL DONT KNOW.
WAS IT PREPLANNED AHEAD OF TIME?
DID THESE GROUPS COME TO
WASHINGTON WITH THE IDEA OF
ATTACKING THE CAPITOL?
WERE PEOPLE STIMULATED INTO A
RIOT WHEN THE PRESIDENT SPOKE?
DID THEY GET TO THE CAPITOL AND
THEN INVADE?
HOW MANY WEAPONS WERE INVOLVED?
PLANNING?
IT NEEDS A FULL INVESTIGATION TO
FIND OUT ALL THE FACTS, NOT JUST
FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, BUT SO
WE CAN MAKE CONCLUSIONS AND
RECOMMENDATIONS TO MAKE SURE
THIS NEVER, EVER HAPPENS AGAIN.
>> YOU SAYS VITALLY IMPORTANT TO
BE SELECTIVE ON WHO IS ON THE
COMMISSION.
IN AN AGE OF HYPER PARTISANSHIP,
WHAT WOULD BE THE IDEAL
CANDIDATE?
WHO DO YOU WANT TO SEE ON THE
COMMISSION?
>> I GOT SOME IDEAS.
I DONT WANT TO GIVE YOU ANY
NAMES.
I GIVE THOSE TO CONGRESSMEN WHO
WILL BE APPOINTING.
THE DESCRIPTION OF PEOPLE IS
PEOPLE WHO HAVE NO AMBITIONS FOR
THE FUTURE.
THEYRE NOT LOOKING FOR GAIN FOR
THEMSELVES.
PEOPLE WHO HAVE A HISTORY OF
BIPARTISAN.
PEOPLE PUTTING COUNTRY FIRST
WHENEVER AN IMPORTANT ISSUE
COMES UP AND PEOPLE, MANY OF
WHOM OUTSIDE OF WASHINGTON, NOT
INSIDE WASHINGTON.
THE 9/11 COMMISSION HAD TWO
FORMER GOVERNORS, PEOPLE WHO
SERVED IN REPUBLICAN AND
DEMOCRATIC ADMINISTRATIONS, A
FEW CONGRESSIONAL OFFICIALS.
WE WERE ALL HAS BEENS AS FAR AS
THE POLITICAL WORLD GOES.
NONE OF US WERE PLANNING TO RUN
AGAIN FOR ANYTHING.
WE COULD REALLY GIVE OUR FULL
ATTENTION TO DO WHAT WAS BEST
FOR THE COUNTRY.
WE HAD AYE UNANIMOUS REPORT AND
WE REDID THE WHOLE INTELLIGENCE
APPARATUS OF THE UNITED STATES.
THE RESULT IS WE HAVE NOT HAD
ANYTHING APPROACHING 9/11 SINCE.
IT WAS SUCCESSFUL.
OUR REPORT IS STILL BEING USED
IN COLLEGE CLASSES AS A
TEXTBOOK.
>> NO DOUBT ABOUT FINDING PEOPLE
WHO ARE STATESMEN.
HOW DO YOU GET A BIPARTISAN
COMMISSION WHEN THERES THAT
PARTISAN POLARIZATION WITHIN
CONGRESS AND PEOPLE LIKE RON
JOHNSON SAYING THIS WASNT EVEN
AN INSURRECTION?
I MEAN HOW DO YOU EVEN -- HOW DO
YOU GET A TEAM IN PLACE?
ITS LIKE HAVING THE 9/11
COMMISSION WITH PARTICIPATION OF
THOSE WHO PLANNED THE 9/11
ATTACK.
NOT TO COMPARE THE TWO, BUT HOW
CAN THIS EVEN WORK?
>> IT WILL BE THE LEADERSHIP IN
BOTH PARTIES WHO MAKE THE
DETERMINATION, IN THE END WHO IS
ON THE COMMISSION.
IF YOU FOLLOW THE PRECEDENT THE
9/11 COMMISSION SET, THEN THE
CHAIRMAN IS APPOINTED BY THE
PRESIDENT.
THE CHAIRMAN AND THE VICE
CHAIRMAN ARE VERY IMPORTANT
BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO WORK
TOGETHER.
THEY ESTABLISH THE STANDARD.
THEYRE PROBABLY GOING TO
APPOINT THE STAFF.
THE STAFF HAS GOT TO BE AS
NONPARTISAN AS THE COMMISSION.
THE STAFF ITSELF -- THERE WAS A
RULE WHEN WE SET UP THE
COMMISSION.
WE RECOGNIZE PEOPLE ARE
REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS AND
THATS FINE.
IF YOU RECENTLY WORKED IN A
REPUBLICAN CAMPAIGN, RECENTLY
WORKED A DEMOCRATIC CAMPAIGN,
THEN WE WERENT GOING TO PUT YOU
ON THE STAFF.
I THINK WE HAD 13 PEOPLE
RECOMMENDED, 12 PEOPLE
RECOMMENDED FOR COUNSEL.
EVERYONE WAS DISQUALIFIED ON
PARTISANSHIP BASIS.
FINALLY THE 13th WE PICKED, AND
HE TURNED OUT TO BE GREAT
COUNSEL.
YOU HAVE TO THAT NONPARTISAN
TILT TO IT.
THAT HAS TO BE THERE FROM THE
BEGINNING AND CONGRESS ITSELF
HAS TO ESTABLISH THAT AS THE
GOAL.
>> SO ONCE IT IS IN PLACE, HOW
FAR SHOULD THE SCOPE OF THE
INVESTIGATION GO?
HOW MUCH POWER DO YOU THINK THAT
COMMISSION SHOULD HAVE, FOR
EXAMPLE, WHETHER ANY GROUPS GOT
FUNDING TO STORM THE CAPITOL, OR
THE QANON CONSPIRACY THEORIES,
WHAT AREAS SHOULD BE
INVESTIGATED?
THIS IS SUCH A BROAD SCOPE OF AN
INVESTIGATION, EVEN WHEN YOU
LOOK AT THE ONES THE FBI IS
TRYING TO TRACK DOWN.
THEYRE SAYING THIS IS ONE OF
THE LARGEST INVESTIGATION
THEYVE HAD TO UNDERTAKE.
>> WIDE IN SCOPE, NOT AS WIDE AS
THE 9/11 INVESTIGATION.
ITS VERY DOABLE.
THE KEY THING IS HOW THE
CONGRESS WORDS THE INSTRUCTIONS.
WHEN THEY WRITE THE LAW AND SET
UP THE COMMISSION, THERE WILL BE
INSTRUCTIONS AS TO HOW THE
COMMISSION SHOULD OPERATE AND
WHAT THE SCOPE SHOULD BE.
WE WERE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT THAT
WITH THE 9/11.
WE USED TO GO BACK AND READ TO
THE COMMISSION WHAT THE CONGRESS
ASKED US TO DO TO MAKE SURE WE
STAYED WITHIN THAT SCOPE.
THIS HAS TO BE THE SAME.
>> I HAVE TO ASK YOU QUICKLY.
I KNOW ONE OF THE PEOPLE WHO
SPOKE ON JANUARY 6th WAS A KEY
FIGURE DURING 9/11, RUDY
GIULIANI.
DO YOU ANTICIPATE THE MAYOR WILL
PARTICIPATE WITH THIS COMMISSION
THE WAY HE DID FOR YOURS?
>> I WOULD HOPE SO.
ONE THING THE COMMISSION WILL
HAVE IS SUBPOENA POWER.
NOT THAT YOU HAVE TO USE IT
ALWAYS.
HOPEFULLY YOU NEVER HAVE TO USE
IT.
IF THERES A POSSIBILITY OF A
SUBPOENA OUT THERE, A LOT OF
PEOPLE WHO MIGHT NOT TESTIFY
WILLINGLY COME FORWARD AND
TESTIFY.
THAT WAS OUR EXPERIENCE.
WE VERY SELDOM HAD TO USE IT.
WE USED IT ONLY ONCE I THINK.
THE FACT THAT IT WAS THERE GAVE
US THE ABILITY TO FACT FIND.