was gonna say do you think that we can
get all the nutrients that we need from
plants or do we have to only something
we do we need the protein for me or can
we get it from you know a plant-based
source instead I suppose is the question
right yeah I guess so and if we can get
the nutrients we need from plans would
you then agree the eating animals is not
a necessity I enjoy I enjoy okay I can't
dare show you guys a picture of the
Florentine steak we had into the floor
because it was delicious
in there right now we'll come out and
say it's the best steak I mean I used to
love stay myself but do you think our
taste buds are worth more than the life
of an animal but but then you justified
the state because it was tasty so do you
think that cow's life or that death was
less important than the taste or the
value of taste or the pleasure you got
from the toast yes because when I go
back to I I could not just eat our
vegetables and nuns you don't do an age
you know to theory so we do plan so
grains and nuts and seeds and beans and
soy and all these other things and I
love all that snot you love it I mean I
absolutely but again it comes down to
that sensory pleasure notion again
alright and do we need more than sensory
pleasure tomorrow they just define
action
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I don't see how I tell you that I am
fine I believe in that balanced approach
that's a I don't I don't believe it's
immoral when it's done here I mean
there's some families that raise a pig
to slaughter and become that's part of
their and then they they feel that the
part is supporting their family now
there's a part of me that says you can
I've always said what did you train to
throw in the country you raise your own
animals you give your own garden you
don't rely on yeah I don't know why fine
oh yeah just do everything then actually
so when I say naturally homegrown yes
get away from the possibility and
terrorism and all this yeah but do you
think they say like we give an animal
like a really good life and they enjoy
their life when we care for them it's
almost more cruel to take their life
from them because they value it because
they're enjoying it but these animals
hate their life but we don't know we
don't actually I have not seen if I go
up there I don't know if any one of
those animals that's been interviewed
fairly but we let's say like a dog road
we know when a dogs in a good home and
in a bad home we know when they're
enjoying their life and not enjoying
right it's the same for a pig or a cow
or you know or any animal that we would
kill right I have not seen in the animal
interview no no I'm not speaking our
language but with animals emit cries of
distress they may cries of happiness
they have emotional even a clean yeah
rightly but what I'm saying is if an
animal is enjoying their life and they
live in a good life so on a local
homegrown farm is it non more cruel to
take their life from them because they
value their life and they're enjoying it
and they trust you and say their life
would be a betrayal again you can
interview we don't need to if it's a
clean if it's a clean kill I don't know
if it still crow right
because they want to live they have
value of life like we the violence is
human I agree I agree but you and I
aren't oppressing humans but what we are
doing is hone animals just because bad
things happen to humans doesn't justify
us harming animals you see we can be
humanitarians and then three times a day
not your animals right you don't have to
pick and choose which oppression you're
against you can be against all forms of
discrimination that's true so what's
your justification to continue consuming
animal products if you don't have to and
if you can get the protein the iron from
plant sources but like we said earlier
do we no require more than sensory
pleasure to justify an action on an
ethical level I think you can answer it
but I think you know that to answer
honestly would expose that maybe you're
living in disalignment with your morals
good Catholic boy in there I don't doubt
that the waters of the Lambs and and
then so no it's about quite when
Jesus is around and but when these
religious texts are written it's a
different world and I'm not saying for a
second that these people are immoral for
doing what they did but society has
changed so much that we no longer have
the necessity for these actions and
these behaviors things that happens in
the Bible would not translate morally to
today's world right likewise the
consumption of animals may be moral back
in the times of the Bible but it's not
anymore
okay well let's say God right let's say
do you think Nephilim God is punishing
me I don't believe so honey our dear
honey I don't believe I'm not saying
that he is but I'm saying that
benevolent gods do you think he would
rather in his eyes of his compassion and
benevolence he is do you think he would
rather we didn't harm his creatures if
we didn't have to I mean he created them
to feel and how emotion and to suffer so
why would he be happy of us inflicting
suffering and pain onto them if he gave
them the capabilities to feel those
emotions I don't
I don't know I've been done but though
again we know that plants don't feel
pain and they don't suffer and they
don't have emotion so when it all makes
sense that God created plants for us to
eat because they are plants don't you
hear a branch break yeah how do we know
that let's go for I totally agree let's
say let's so we can go basic biology we
could say they'd have a brain essential
nervous system are pain receptors and we
can go down that route but we can also
say well science has only ever taken us
so far can't wait and maybe there's
something we don't know
or maybe something God hasn't revealed
to us yeah we could we can't argue that
but what we know is that it takes say up
to 16 kilograms of plants to produce one
kilogram of beef i requires a lot more
plants to produce animal products so
even if we do think that plants feel
pain it would still be more justifiable
for us to be vegan because less plants
are used in a vegan diet than they are
in a animal-based diet you know so even
if we believe plants feel we should
still be vegan protesting abortion and
things like that I mean that's a whole
mother see I think there's more
important things I mean in this country
Bosch is not an issue by appreciate from
where you come from it is well not here
but at the same time legal here yeah
yeah yeah but but at the same time what
I would say to you is just because in
your eyes there are other forms of
oppression doesn't justify this
oppression right and just because you
may disagree with one thing doesn't
justify you doing something else like
this except there's bigger there's
bigger things so you want you notice how
what you tackle those big things and
then three times a day just eat
something that doesn't involve harming
animals right and then oh I know and
also if you're out there if you're out
there fighting against racism and sexism
I'm gonna support you 100% as long as
you're not harming animals right I don't
feel I'm harming animals but I will but
there's times we don't have
I saw something I saw some of it but I I
believe that just like there's some
documentary they can take the you were
taking the extreme documentary and
showing it now if this is always this is
the only way it's happening in in
Scotland over the UK forgive my
ignorance yeah that's fine it's the only
way it's happening then you guys got
some issues and well what we know is
like there are obviously bad cases and
extreme situations but there's a system
in place and you've got like things like
mutilations of piglets this happens in
the US and in the UK we've got you know
chap enough tails coating teeth and the
dairy industry cows are forcibly
impregnated their babies are always
taken away from them there's just
certain procedures that standard
practise and legally condoned that
happens systematically and although
there are set elements where yes
something terrible happens that isn't
normal it doesn't mean that there aren't
just general practices that are painful
and wrong
and that happens in in the u.s. happens
in the UK happens in Canada Australia
happens everywhere you know you know we
we have more in common than we have
different right we don't like this this
is what it's all about his conversation
was here because he would he's more in
the gun side of it is he really well
we'd have a good debate that I'm sure
it's the cultural differences right it's
the cultural differences but I think
there's not there's a higher there's
there's bigger issues that this world is
a face to maybe think about that to me
is that I can do something about
I can't always do something about the
bigger issues so for me this is really
empowering them as I can see that
there's that level of suffering going on
worked with the vet for a number of
years
blew it
but I can't do and the more dobannis and
freedom
that's okay you know every time I choose
Vermeil
I make the choice
so let me ask you this all right this is
good yeah it's too sad so what are you
doing our where we have deer running
wild and they are they are literally
causing yeah absence and killing so
human I think we have to look at kind of
why these things are happening and I
think all the time hunters justify
hunting they say overpopulation well why
is there a population of deer it's
because we've hunted all the Predators
to extinction we've hunted the wolves
and the mountain lions and the Cougars
coyotes wow they are resilient is very
resilient but there's many others that
we have and the reason that many of
these animals were hunted was because of
animal agriculture in the first place so
if you look at say agriculture in the US
you know let's look at the extinction of
wild horses they're not predators but
it's an example there's wolves and
there's and there's mountain lions and
cougars they've been a red one our
eradicate but they've been hunted to a
vast point to make way for livestock
farming because of ways they kill the
farmers livestock now the consequence of
that is the natural food chains been
disrupted so the secondary or the the
deer now don't have a predator to eat
them which means they're overpopulated
which means we're going to take matters
into our own hands but if we did
destabilize the ecosystem with animal
farming and to begin with you wouldn't
have to kill the animals and now you can
use contraception too but as a
consequence of our animal exploitation
but also I think part of the reason why
people hunt they maybe use yelling of
conservation but if that's blind in your
Soria but at the same time you shoot it
on you can you eat that much is nice but
you can sell them and venison it's worth
a fair penny so what we have issues in
the UK where we had this this ethos of
conservation but the people kill the
animals and make you thousands of pounds
are selling their meat when they could
use contraception instead but the
contraception doesn't make them any
money because there's no animals to kill
and then let me stop animal farming
eradicate animal agriculture our natural
ecosystems and biodiversity - to
increase not only to that allow more
space for the deer to populate allows us
to reintroduce natural predators again
to balance out those ecosystems and all
of a sudden hey are we do hunting
animals anymore do we you know honestly
I do this alter all the time and I love
I think we have a bigger bigger issue
that than this I really good well maybe
in your eyes but as I say you fight for
that bigger issue but at the same time
just don't harm animals all right and
then hey you get to do what you care
about and at the same time you get to
not hurt and if some beings at the same
time right I won't eat any meat in front
of all of you I won't give my Kentucky
Fried Chicken and also no dairy and eggs
right it's no I saw it all fits into
place and when you connect the old dots
you see the system as a whole is
exploitative and it causes unnecessary
suffering when you connect suffering
will being a necessary it you can't
justify it you know I'll go back and
read the Bible more about they'd raise
their their calf to slaughter and things
are hot it's not really about what's
written or anything but I believe in God
God has put us on here to make decisions
and thing yeah he didn't make the animal
smarter you could argue something maybe
Mike doesn't make right right
just because make them equal I don't
know my golden retrievers is equal to me
it doesn't have to be equal all you have
technologies there life is worth more
than our taste preferences now for me I
valued their life has been equal to mine
but I'm not asking you to do that I'm
just saying for you to value their life
it's been higher than the pleasure we
get from eating their flesh or their
secretions right that seems more
realistic and I think God gave us like
God gave us dominion but I think the
interpretation the word Dominion is
difficult because we couldn't meet and
can interpret that to mean dominance
meaning physical dominance but Dominion
could also just mean it you know
ownership and almost a caretaker now
we're caretakers of this planet and as
those in power we have responsibility to
care for those who are more vulnerable
as we look after our children we look
after the elderly we'll look how to
disabled people because they're
vulnerable and animals are also
vulnerable and as as all of us we have
in a position of privilege dominant
dominion to us means care taken in
looking after that's my interpretation
of it rather than being given the
ability or the justification to inflict
violence upon them
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up sitting laughing at me with a
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