THE NEXT STEPS IN THE IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY.
IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY. KONKS HAS BEEN OUT AND THE FIRST
RETURN IS TODAY.
ROBERTO, JOHN BOLTENON IS SOMEON
YOU SPOKE TO QUITE A BIT IN THE
PAST.
PAST. HOW IMPORTANT IS IT FOR HIM TO
UNDERSTAND ALL OF THIS AND HAVE
YOU SPOKE TON HIM IN THE LAST 24
HOURS?
HOURS? >> SHE SOMEONE THAT CAME INTO
THIS ADMINISTRATION AS A LONG
TIME CONSERVATIVE.
TIME CONSERVATIVE. A WASHINGTON LAWYER, HE DID NOT
COME INTO THIS ADMINISTRATION TO
HELP PRESIDENT TRUMP APRILLY AND
WHEN HE TALKED TO ME A MONTH
AGO.
AGO. IT IS PRETTY CRYPTIC, BUT MY
ONLY CONCERN IS U.S. NATIONAL
SECURITY AND NOW YOU A LOT OF
PEOPLE IN THE ADMINISTRATION
REFLECTING THAT POINT OF VIEW
AND GIVING NEW DETAILS.
>> GIVE PUBLIC HIGHWAY HISTORY
LESSON.
LESSON. WHAT IS GOING ON THAT WE’RE NOW
HEARING SHADOW FOREIGN POLICY.
WHEN YOU TAKE A STEP BACK, AND
YOU SEE THAT THIS IS SHADOW
FOREIGN POLICY, DOES IT NOT
REMIND YOU OF THE MUELLER
REPORT?
REPORT? >> PEOPLE OFTEN CRITICIZE
WASHINGTON OF BEING THE SWAMP,
THERE ARE MANY FOREIGN SERVICE
OFFICERS THAT DON’T SWEAR AN
OATH TO A PARTY BUT TO THE
CONSTITUTION.
CONSTITUTION. AND THEY WANT TO WORK IN A
NONPARTISAN WAY TO FORWARD
GOALS.
GOALS. WHEN THEY SEE SOMEONE LIKE RUDY
GIULIANI THAT IS A FOREIGN
SERVICE OFFICE THEY BECOME
ALARMED.
ALARMED. SO BECAUSE OF THE WAY THEY
OPERATE, THE WAY THEY SEE THEIR
CAREERS, THEY ARE WILLING TO
TESTIFY ABOUT WHAT THEY SEE AS
EGREGIOUS BEHAVIOR.
EGREGIOUS BEHAVIOR. >> I WANT TO BRING IN MATT
MILLER, MATT, LET’S TURN TO
DEMOCRATS, WHAT IS YOUR
ASSESSMENT ON THE WAY THEY’RE
BUILDING THEIR CASE?
>> I THINK THEY’RE DOING
EXTREMELY WELL.
EXTREMELY WELL. I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE THOUGHT
IT WOULD PROCEED ON OTHER
FRONTS.
FRONTS. THEY WOULD NOT HAVE A WAY TO GET
WITNESSES AND GET DOCUMENTS.
I THINK FOR A ENVIRONMENT OF
REASONS THAT WERE ABLE TO
CONVINCE WITNESSES TO COME
FORWARD AND WITNESSES THAT THE
WHITE HOUSE WANTS TO BLOCK AND
GIVE TESTIMONY AND IN SOME CASES
TURN OVER DOCUMENTS.
AND I THINK THEY’RE DOING IT
RIGHT NOW TO KEEP THESE
DEPOSITIONS BEHIND CLOSED DOORS,
SO THEY DON’T HAVE A CHANCE TO
COORDINATE WITH EACH OTHER AND I
THINK GOING FORWARD AT SOME
POINT, IMPEACHMENT IS NOT LIKE A
TRIAL, IT IS A LEGAL AND
POLITICAL MATTER, AND WILL THEY
DECIDE TO HOLD SOME PUBLIC
HEARINGS, AND WILL THEY REVEAL
TO THE PUBLIC WHAT THEY’RE
INVESTIGATION HAS BEEN SO FAR,
BUT I DON’T THINK WE’RE AT THAT
POINT YET.
POINT YET. >> GORDON SONDLAND WILL TESTIFY
ON THURSDAY.
ON THURSDAY. AND WE LEARNED THAT HE WILL BE
TALKING ABOUT MEETING WITH KURT
VOLKER AND RICK PERRY.
WE EXPECT TO HEAR THAT ANY IN
PERSON MEETING IS GOING TO HAVE
TO GO THERE RUDY GIULIANI.
THAT’S HIM TAKING DIRECTION FROM
THE PRESIDENT.
THE PRESIDENT. >> I THINK THAT IS A REALLY KEY
POINT HERE, STEFANIE.
I HAVE BEEN SKEPTICAL ABOUT THE
IMPEACH MENT
IMPEACH MENT IMPEACHMENT DRIVE.
IMPEACHMENT DRIVE. I THINK THE CASE IS UNFOLDING
NOW, PARTICULARLY WITH JOHN
BOLTON’S ALLEGATIONS AND FIONA
HILL’S ALLEGATIONS.
HILL’S ALLEGATIONS. WHAT SEEMS TO BE INCREASINGLY
CLEAR IS THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP
ORDERED WHAT AMOUNTED TO A ROGGE
FOREIGN POLICY OPERATION.
THEY HAVE MEMBERS OUTSIDE OF
GOVERNMENT TO PERFORM SENSITIVE
INFORMATION, BUT THAT WAS IN THE
SERVICE OF THE NATIONAL
INTEREST.
INTEREST. WHAT IS SO CLEAR HERE IS THAT
THIS WAS PURELY A MISSERVICE OF
TRUMP’S SERVICE AND THAT TRUMP
IS NOW ENGAGED IN LIED AND A
COVER UP ABOUT IT.
THAT IS WHY HIS TESTIMONY IS SO
IMPORTANT.
IMPORTANT. THIS IS NOT A GUY COMING FROM
OUTSIDE OF THE ADMINISTRATION.
HE NEVER BELIEVED IN THE TRUMP
METHOD OR THE TRUMP MODEL TO
BEGIN WITH.
BEGIN WITH. HE BELIEVE THERE’S IS A PROCESS
AND THAT PROCESS SHOULD NOT BE
ABOUT THE PRESIDENT’S PURELY
PARTISAN POLITICAL INTERESTS.
>> TAKE US INSIDE THE WHITE
HOUSE, THEY ARE SUCCESSFUL AT
PUTTING THEIR SEATBELTS ON
SAYING LET’S RIDE OUT THE NEWS
CYCLE.
CYCLE. CAN THE WHITE HOUSE CONTINUE TO
DISMISS THIS WHOLE THING CALLING
IT A CAM.
IT A CAM. WHAT IS IT LIKE INSIDE?
>> THEY’RE TRYING TO STIME THE
HOUSE IMPEACHMENT INVESTIGATION.
YOU SAW THE WHITE HOUSE COUNCIL
WRITE A LONG LETTER TO CONGRESS
SAYING HE WILL DENY THEM
DOCUMENTS AND WITNESSES.
THE CHOJ THEIR FACING IS
ALTHOUGH THEY HAVE SECURITY,
WHEN OTHER OFFICIALS ARE
STEPPING FORWARD FROM AMBASSADOR
SONDLAND TO FIONA HILL, TO
AMBASSADOR YAVANOVITCH.
AMBASSADOR YAVANOVITCH. WE SEE THEY ARE ALL SPEAKING
OUT.
OUT. >> THEY ARE REPORTING THAT
PROSECUTORS ARE LOOKING INTO
RUDY GIULIANI’S FINANCES,
REUTER’S SAYS HE GOT $500,000
FOR CONSULTING FOR A COMPANY
FOUNDED BY THE TWO UKRAINIANS
ARRESTED LAST WEEK.
>> IT IS HARD TO KNOW ALL OF THE
THINGS THAT RUDY COULD BE
INVESTIGATED FOR.
INVESTIGATED FOR. WE KNOW THE TWO UKRAINIAN
AMERICANS THAT WERE INDICTED.
THEY RECEIVED MONEY AND THEN
THEY USE IT’D TO TRY TO ADVANCE
THEIR INTEREST, GATHER OR PEDDLE
INFLUENCE IN THE UNITED STATES.
IF HE KNEW THAT, IF HE WAS
TRYING TO INFLUENCE THE FOREIGN
GOVERNMENT HE WOULD HAVE LEGAL
LIABILITY FOR THAT.
IT IS OKAY TO WORK FOR FOREIGN
INTERESTS OR LOBBY FOR THEM IF
YOU DISCLOSE IT.
IF HE WAS HELPING THEM PEDAL
INFLUENCE IN THE UNITED STATES.
MAYBE TO HAVE THE FORMER
AMBASSADOR TO THE UKRAINE
REMOVED I THINK HE WOULD HAVE
LEGAL LIABILITY FOR THAT
QUESTION.
QUESTION. >> MORE INFORMATION IS WHAT
PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR.
REPUBLICANS ARE COMPLAINING
ABOUT THE PROCESS SAYING THESE
INTERVIEWS ARE HAPPENING BEHIND
CLOSED DOORS.
CLOSED DOORS. >> THEY WOULD HAVE A POINT IF
THE WHITE HOUSE WEREN’T
STONEWALLING THE INQUIRY AND
REFUSING TO LET THEIR EMPLOYEES
TESTIFY.
TESTIFY. SO I DON’T REALLY BLAME