Well, howdy, guys in gals! I'm Kyle Broderick. Welcome to the Social
Regressive. we're continuing our -- rifle where we are -- out a Savage
12FV in 6.5 Creedmoor and we're going to be testing it eventually in a bunch
of different scenarios. We're gonna do some kind of closer range work, we
might do some game harvesting as well, fire at a thousand yards and then our big
culminating event is going to be firing at a mile. This is a rifle that
will get that work done if conditions are very favorable. But one offhand
comment that I made in the previous video where I was comparing 6.5
Creedmoor to 308 is that I would not actually pick 6.5 Creedmoor if I wanted
a dedicated one-mile rifle. Both 308 and 6.5 Creedmoor are pretty rubbish at
that distance and I'm going to use some charts here to indicate why
I said that; and then we'll take a look at maybe some cartridges that would be
quite a bit better if you wanted to be able to make hits out at that distance
reliably and to be able to put some real energy on target. I compared five
different cartridges using data from Hornady.com. I just grabbed some
representative ammo that they load up for these five cartridges. I decided to
stick with heavy high efficiency projectiles for all these: either
ELDM or EMDX and figure out what the difference is between all of these. I
tried to get an apples-to-apples comparison as much as I could - it's
always difficult of course - but I think this came out okay, so we're looking at
308. That's going to have our greatest drop this is just an indication
of drop values out to 1,800 yards you can see that 308 is considerably lower
than some of these others next up 6.5 Creedmoor coming in quite a bit higher
seven millimeter Magnum making another similar actually a little bit larger
jump right there 6.5 PRC this is one that we've all been
kind of keeping an eye on I didn't realize exactly how good these
things were and all of this is using hornet e's information if they are
indeed correct about their ballistic coefficients and all that
then yeah this one is actually beating out seven millimeter Magnum at least as
far as drop goes and then I decided to grab 28 Nosler because this is kind of
the new Uber Magnum for a 7 millimeter projectile so we can see that some of these
are 6.5 some of these are 7 millimeter and those are all going to be really in
that sweet spot for a ballistic efficiency 308 Winchester I looked up
this one and it would be basically right in between 6.5 Creedmoor and 7
millimeter Magnum and so I just went ahead with 7 millimeter Magnum because
this one is going to be the more efficient and I think it's just gonna
work out better overall 308 when let's take a look at some of the close-up data
here since this one is the one that lags the most at a thousand yards yes this is
still supersonic as many of you know and it's still moving out 1,350 2 feet per
second energy is down below a thousand so this is one where if you did intend
this as a game harvesting cartridge you probably have to back up to about 800 yards it's
gonna be your max range folks that play out on the Prairie they know that you
need something that's very flat flying and something ballistically efficient
that you can put enough energy downrange on that far away deer those of us that
live in more Eastern country we're used to using 308 and it does just find at
that that's 75 yards that we all need moving on to 6.5 Creedmoor this is a 140
grain eld m at a thousand yards we're looking at 1517 feet per second that's
moving out about yeah almost 200 feet per second faster at that distance and
it is putting down just slightly less energy than the 308 the seven millimeter
mag is where things really start to ramp up and we are looking at 1700 11 feet
per second that's another 200 feet per second at a thousand yards and you can
see that we are still within that usual 1000 foot pound recommendation for
harvesting a whitetail so at a thousand yards you still have enough energy to
get it done there are people that will poopoo this
idea I personally think that long-range game taking is fine and it's not just fine
it's something that's absolutely necessary if you do live out west if
you're out on the desert or out on the plains a lot of the time you just cannot
get that close to your target there's not enough cover yeah you're gonna have
to take some longer targets especially from tree stands moving over here let's
jump over twenty-eight Nosler cuz this one is the king as far as drop and
energy goes and let's go take a look at 6.5 PRC the new guy this one at a
thousand yards is at almost 1,800 feet per second look at that and still above
even with that lighter projectile a 147-grain eld this one is also much like
that 7 millimeter magnum 1044 it's over a thousand foot-pounds of energy this is
a really cool-looking cartridge I'm beginning to really understand why
people like this now 428 Nosler this is one of the extreme cartridges for seven
millimeter seven millimeter is just a great choice of projectile all the way
around it's going to have plenty of energy that it can dump on the target
because you are getting heavier projectiles very ballistically efficient and let's
see how this guy does at a thousand yards we're at almost 1,900 feet per
second and then 1274 foot-pounds now in our case since when we're firing at a
mile we're not really concerned about how much energy we're putting on target
we're just concerned about drop let's go ahead and take a look at that 1800 yard
range so first off at 1,800 yards with 308 Winchester
we are definitely subsonic and we've been subsonic a long time this one went
subsonic somewhere between 1200 and 1300 yards of course you can always look load
up some kind of custom load to make things a little bit better and to get a better
supersonic distance out of these but again we're comparing apples to
here factory ammunition and that's what we can expect this is going to be
subsonic a good long time six point five Creedmoor is also going to be subsonic
for a pretty long time this one goes subsonic a bit past fifteen hundred
yards it was about 1550 so we don't have quite as long to travel we have maybe
about two hundred yards in realistic scenarios at least with my own custom loads
I found that I was actually ending up with these 140 grain at least the bth be
match projectiles I was subsonic for about four hundred yards and I'm kind of
curious to see what people are actually seeing with with their eld projectiles we'll
find out for ourselves we'll be firing the 147s back here once we start custom
loading for the new long range rifle but yeah this one comparing horn of these data
this is going to be a lot more efficient and it's going to be a lot easier to get
on target at least as far as drop goes and while we're here let's take a look
at wind real quick because this is the one that is overlooked a whole lot
people just think about drop but wind is really the big deal when it's when
you're trying to put a round on target at these distances so let's take a look
in inches alright we're looking at three hundred eight inches of drift in the
wind at 1,800 yards and over here to 62 0.99 that is a pretty considerable
difference so that's thirteen point nine five MOA versus sixteen point three five
that is noticeable that is a very big jump and a good reason to go for that
six point five Creedmoor if you are trying to make those hits at distance so
moving up to the more efficient ones here's seven millimeter Magnum at 1,800
yards this has just gone subsonic it might actually still have been
supersonic by the time it hit the target shy of that 1,800 so ya 1096 this is
just barely subsonic and then it's windage is only 227 point
nine inches or 12.1 MOA right here so yeah this one is going to be a very good
choice for hitting at a distance like that especially if you custom load you can
bump up beyond the the 162 grain projectile that they have loaded up here and at
Hornady you could do some 175 s which are very ballistically efficient they're
gonna cut through the wind just great and those guys should be supersonic for
a good long while maybe out to 2,000 yards depending on how you load it and
depending on your barrel length of course and over here on 6.5 PR C since
this is our kind of runner up at 1,800 yards we're looking at yeah this is
still supersonic actually at 1,800 yards 1173 feet per second and then we're only
dealing with about 200 inches of wind drift oh and I should mention that this
is all assuming a 10 mile an hour wind a perfect crosswind and only ten point six
six milliradians excuse me MOA of wind drift right here so this will definitely
be within the the adjustment range that you have in your reticle you can
actually still use your reticle to adjust for wind here and you don't have
to mess with your turrets or anything and that's in a 10 mile an hour wind
that is not bad at all twenty-eight Nosler this one right here
at yeah this is definitely still supersonic 1179 feet per second still
putting down 500 foot-pounds of energy and then wind drift of two oh four point
nine five oh now this is interesting look at this this with its bigger
heavier projectile which usually means less wind actually has a bit more wind than
the six point five PRC interesting so we're looking at just slightly more ten
point eight seven MOA czuv wind in that 10 mile an hour crosswind
it's unexpected huh very cool if you are considering -- a dedicated extreme
long-range rifle of course there's going to be the the 338 Lapua Magnum and the
cheytac rounds and all kinds of really big stuff like the RSAUMs and
things like that but if you do want to be able to do this on a bit better
budget where you don't have to kind of beef up rifles and get all kinds of
expensive accessories and projectiles and all that sort of stuff do take a look at seven
millimeter and the 6.5 PRC these are ones that are going to be supersonic for
a very long distance and these are going to be good fun to hit at distances of
a mile plus especially if these projectiles performance they have for me where they
have not tumbled out once they hit the transonic barrier there are certain
projectiles that just tend to go all wonky and pretty much fall out of the sky once
they start getting into that subsonic zone but I know that in the past these
these Hornady projectiles have not for me and yeah I would expect them to perform
very well with all this data in mind why did I choose a 6.5 Creedmoor rifle well
I'm not actually -- a 1-mile rifle in this case this is one that I will
test it a mile it's going to be able to make impacts in a mile but what I'm
really -- is a rifle that's going to be useful in a whole variety of
situations I want to be able to take this rifle out to do all kinds of fun
work if I want to go get coyotes or hogs this is going to be very well
squared away for that it's going to work very well and I'll be able to make hits
out at extended distances the fact that I can hit a mile is just kind of a fun
little thing something to demonstrate that the rifle does have a lot of
capability and is something that I can go out on a kind of calmer day and have
some fun with friends getting to better read the wind and just kind of
understand the whole situation a little bit better and I think that for
most of you 6.5 Creedmoor is what you're going to be buying anyway so I think
it's just a good idea to demonstrate something that you're likely to own
not something extremely exotic and you know really a lot of you guys just don't
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