WILL
WILL STAY
WILL STAY IN CUSTODY WITHOUT BOND UNTIL THAT DECISION IS MADE.
ELECTION DAY IS THREE WEEKS
FROM TODAY AND TONIGHT
INCUMBENT REPUBLICAN SENATOR
CORY GARDNER AND CHALLENGER
JOHN HICKENLOOPER DEBATED AT
CSU AN EVENT BROADCAST
STATEWIDE ON 9NEWS.
AND OUR PARTNER STATIONS
MODERATORS MARSHALL ZELINGER
AND KYLE CLARK JOIN US NOW FROM
FORT COLLINS SEPARATED.
GENTLEMEN.
WHAT STOOD OUT TO YOU TONIGHT?
WELL, THAT A QUESTION ABOUT
THE SUPREME COURT SAYS SENATOR
CORY GARDNER WAS GOING TO COME
WITH A SWIFT PIVOT TO A TOPIC
THE DEMOCRATS HAVE HAD A
STRUGGLE WITH A FIRM ANSWER ON.
I ASKED SENATOR GARDNER WHY
ANYONE SHOULD TRUST ANYTHING
THAT CAME OUT OF HIS MOUTH ON
THE STAGE BECAUSE NOW HE'S OKAY
MOVING FORWARD WITH A SUPREME
COURT NOMINEE THIS YEAR FOUR
YEARS AGO HE WAS NOT.
HE GAVE ME AN ANSWER ABOUT
PREVIOUS PRECEDENT IN
THE SENATE AND THEN TRIED TO
ASK JOHN HICKENLOOPER A
QUESTION THAT KYLE WAS GOING TO
ASK ANYWAY.
YEAH, AND WE THOUGHT THE ORSUTO
JOHN HICKENLOOPER GAVE HIS
CLEAREST ANSWER YET TO A
QUESTION THAT HE'S BEEN DODGING
ABOUT WHETHER HE WOULD HELP
DEMOCRATS EXPAND THE SIZE
OF THE SUPREME COURT'S ABOUT
PACK THE COURT IF REPUBLICANS
PUSHED THROUGH A BIG KONI
BARRATT'S NOMINATION.
I DON'T LIKE THE IDEA OF COURT
PACKING.
WE'RE SEEING IT RIGHT NOW.
RIGHT.
WE'RE SEEING COURT PACKING FULL
FURY.
IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE TO
ME.
I THINK IF YOU GET NEW PEOPLE
TO WASHINGTON YOU WON'T HAVE TO
DO THAT KIND OF INSTITUTIONAL
CHANGE.
WE SHOULD NOTE COURT PACKING
HAS A DEFINITION.
IT'S ADDING JUSTICES TO
THE COURT.
SO WHILE HICKENLOOPER SAYS WHAT
REPUBLICANS ARE DOING NOW IS
COURT PACKING.
IT'S NOT I MEAN THEY'RE
VIOLATING NORMS AND THE WAY
THAT IT'S WORKED IN THE PAST
BUT THEY'RE NOT BACK IN COURT
ACTUALLY THOUGH SPEAKING
OF PACKING PEOPLE INTO PLACES.
IT CAME UP TONIGHT.
WHAT SENATOR GARDNER PRECISELY
KNEW AT THE TIME THAT HE AND
PRESIDENT TRUMP GATHERED WITH
THOSE THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE FOR A
RALLY IN FEBRUARY IN COLORADO
SPRINGS WHAT THEY KNEW ABOUT
BOEBERT 19.
I'M REALLY CURIOUS ABOUT THIS
BECAUSE I HAD TO COVER THAT
RALLY AND WE NOW KNOW THAT
PRIVATELY PRESIDENT TRUMP WAS
TELLING JOURNALIST BOB WOODWARD
THAT HE KNEW THAT THIS WAS A
LOT WORSE THAN HE WAS LETTING
ON PUBLICLY AT THE SAME TIME
INVITING COLORADANS TO COME TO
THIS RALLY AT THE TIME OF THAT
FEBRUARY RALLY WHEN YOU WERE
SHOULDER TO SHOULDER WITH
PRESIDENT TRUMP.
WE NOW KNOW THANKS TO
THE JOURNAL'S BIBLE TO WHAT
THE PRESIDENT ACTUALLY THOUGHT
OF BOEBERT 19 AT THAT POINT
THAT WAS TREMENDOUSLY SERIOUS
WAY WORSE THAN THE FLU AIRBORNE
STUFF.
DID PRESIDENT TRUMP TELL YOU
BEFORE YOU STOOD NEXT TO HIM IN
THAT CROWD THAT HE KNEW ALL
THOSE THINGS?
DID YOU HAVE THAT KNOWLEDGE?
NO, I DID NOT.
BUT WE KNEW THIS IS SOMETHING
THAT WE HAD TO DEAL WITH.
WE KNEW THAT WE HAD SOMETHING
FROM CHINA THAT WE DIDN'T
UNDERSTAND.
CHINA WAS LYING TO US AT
THE TIME.
CHINA WAS LYING TO THE WORLD
SAYING IT COULDN'T BE
TRANSMITTED THE WAY THAT WE NOW
KNOW THAT IT CAN.
THE WHL WAS COVERING UP FOR
CHINA.
THE DEBATE ENDED WITH YES OR NO
QUESTIONS THAT ALWAYS SEEMED TO
END UP LONGER THAN THAT SIMPLE
ONE WORD ANSWER.
WE TOUCHED ON A QUESTION ABOUT,
YOU KNOW, SENATOR GARDNER.
I SAID THAT JOHN HICKENLOOPER
IS CORRUPT WHILE DEFENDING
PRESIDENT TRUMP.
AND THESE ARE TWO GUYS, FACE
IT, THAT HAVE KNOWN EACH OTHER
PROFESSIONALLY FOR MORE THAN A
DECADE.
THEY'VE WORKED TOGETHER QUITE
CORDIALLY ON THINGS BEFORE THIS
CAMPAIGN.
SO I ASKED EACH OF THEM IF THEY
THINK THAT THEIR OPPONENT IS A
MORAL AND ETHICAL MAN.
I HAVE GREAT CONCERN WITH
GOVERNOR HICKENLOOPER.
YES OR NO QUESTION, SIR.
LOOK, I HAVE GRAVE CONCERN
ABOUT HIS CONTEMPT.
HOW HE CAN STAND AND FORBES AND
SAY THERE ARE ONLY TWO.
YOU'RE NOT GOING TO FILIBUSTER
THE YES OR NO.
THANK YOU, MR. HICKENLOOPER.
DO YOU BELIEVE MR. GARDNER IS A
MORAL AND ETHICAL MAN?
YES.
DO YOU BELIEVE THAT PRESIDENT
TRUMP IS A MORAL AND ETHICAL
MAN?
MR. HICKENLOOPER?
NO.
MR. GARDNER.
YES.
I WISH HE WOULD BE MORE
SPECIFIC.
COMMUNICATIONS AMERICAN PEOPLE
THESE TWO CANDIDATES HAVE
DECADES OF PUBLIC SERVICE AS
ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES AND
IT'S LIKELY THAT ONE COULD BE
OUT OF POLITICAL OFFICE
ALTOGETHER AFTER THIS ELECTION.
THEY'RE BOTH UNDEFEATED RIGHT
NOW AND THAT WILL COME TO AN
END WITH THE NOVEMBER ELECTION
.
YOU CAN FIND THE FULL DEBATE ON
NEWS.COM OR THE LINK ON
THE NEXT YOUTUBE PAGE IF YOU'D
LIKE TO CHECK IT OUT.
WATCH A BIT AGAIN OR SHARE IT
WITH SOMEBODY WHO MIGHT BE
UNDECIDED.
I'M ALWAYS STRUCK BY THE FACT
POLITICIANS HAVE A HARD TIME
WITH YES OR NO.
I MEAN MOST OF US DO WANT
ICE CREAM.
YES, THAT'S PRETTY EASY BUT
IT'S VERY DIFFERENT.
I UNDERSTAND.
AND HOW ABOUT THAT MOMENT WHEN
YOU ASK THEM TO ASK EACH OTHER
A QUESTION?
GIVE ME YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT.
I THINK DEFINITELY COREY
GARDNER WHO DESPITE BEING
THE INCUMBENT IS THE UNDERDOG
BY A CONSIDERABLE MARGIN HAS
THE ONUS OF BEING THE MORE
AGGRESSIVE CANDIDATE.
SO HE WAS TRYING TO ASK
HICKENLOOPER QUESTION ROUGHLY
EVERY 30 SECONDS.
SO HE WAS READY TO GO ON THAT.
I WAS SURPRISED THAT HIS LINE
OF ATTACK AGAINST JOHN
HICKENLOOPER WAS BRINGING UP
HIS DONATIONS TO THE CHINOOK
FUND WHICH IS A 20 YEAR OLD
ACCUSATION.
THIS CAME UP WHEN WHEN
HICKENLOOPER RAN FOR MAYOR IN
DENVER ALMOST 20 YEARS AGO THAT
THAT IS WHERE GARDNER WENT.
DID HE GIVE TO A GROUP THAT
THEN GAVE FUNDS TO ANOTHER
GROUP THAT WAS LOOKING TO CAUSE
POLITICAL TROUBLE LIKE
THE STUFF THAT WE SEE IN OUR
STREETS RIGHT NOW BUT MAYBE HE
WAS TRYING TO MAKE THAT
CONNECTION MORE SO TO WHAT'S
HAPPENING IN THE STREETS NOW BY
REACHING BACK 20 YEARS?
YEAH, WELL, I MEAN IT'S REALLY
INTERESTING.
AND AS YOU POINT OUT, BOTH
OF THEM HAVE BEEN LEADERS IN
COLORADO FOR SO MANY YEARS.
IT'S INTERESTING HOW THEY'VE
EVOLVED AND WHERE THEY'RE AT
RIGHT NOW.
I MEAN I DO THINK THEY BOTH
KNOW EACH OTHER REALLY WELL.
ABSOLUTELY.
AND THAT ACTUALLY WAS ONE
OF THE MORE INFORMATIVE DEBATES
I'VE BEEN WATCHING THESE
DEBATES WHERE IT SEEMS LIKE
THEY'RE REALLY ATTACKING EACH
OTHER AND THIS WAS MORE I'M
GOING TO ATTACK YOU BUT GIVE
SOME SUBSTANCE ALSO.
AND AND I KNOW THEY KNOW EACH
OTHER FROM THE PAST AND THIS
ANY KIND OF ELECTION IS TOUGH
AND CAME THIS ELECTION'S AT
LEAST THE CYCLE HAS GONE ON FOR
A REALLY LONG TIME.
SO YOU START TO
FED
FED UP
FED UP WITH BEING IN THE SAME AREA WITH SOMEBODY ELSE.
BUT IN THE END THEY KNOW EACH
OTHER WELL.
THEY KNOW EACH OTHER'S
STRENGTHS AND FLAWS.
AND NOW IT'S IT'S AS AS