David: Yeah. I mean, kind of like... kind of like Michael Richards.
Louis: Oh, boy.
David: Who, of course, we have a lot of audio of here, and you remember when he went on
his N-word rant, then he had to go to rehab, didn't he? Did he do the rehab thing?
Michael Richards: Every time I look at an African-American I think that he should be
upside-down and hung from a tree. I came out with a tirade. I have lashed out at other
audience members. Until I was 11 years old, my best friends were African-Americans. There's
no justification for the things that I said.
David: Honestly, the whole Kramer thing has kind of ruined my enjoyment of "Seinfeld"
a little bit.
Louis: Yeah, it's always in the back of my mind when I'm watching it.
David: Yeah. I mean, I don't get... somebody was saying... it might've been Natan who was
saying some... he was in some way defending Michael Richards during this incident. I don't--
what was it you were... the argument you were making, Natan, was something like... what
was it? I forget now.
Louis: I don't know.
Natan: I remember it.
Louis: It was like that he was just doing a... he was doing a parody. In other words,
he was just trying to say something to irritate the person the way he was irritated, but he
wasn't actually... it wasn't about black people. I don't know.
Natan: I think that... what I would say is that this is one of those cases where it appears
to be that he was just trying to anger this guy by whatever means he could come up with
to actually anger him, because he was being heckled and he was really irritated.
David: Yeah.
Natan: So he came up with this. I don't think... despite the fact that it might've been in
poor taste, I don't think in any way it shows that Michael Richards is actually racist,
like at all.
David: In other words, that he has a... he thinks negatively of people if they are black
instead of white?
Natan: That's right.
David: Yeah, I don't disagree, it's just, it's a question of whether using... like I
don't think that Michael Richards goes around and he's like Mel Gibson where he actually
has these deep-seated opinions about Jews or, in Michael Richards's case, about black
people. I don't actually think that.
Louis: Right.
David: That doesn't mean that it's just an acceptable thing to start yelling out the
N-word like a madman at a club.
Louis: No, no.
Natan: Well, and by the way, there was a "Curb Your Enthusiasm" episode where they actually
parody this whole event.
David: Yeah.
Natan: And Michael Richards at one point says to another character, if only there were something
I could say to you that would make you as angry as I am. And it was clearly a reference...
David: Was it a black person?
Natan: Yeah.
David: OK.
Natan: And clearly this was a reference to what he did, he was kind of like defending
himself, and apparently Larry David gave him the go-ahead to do this on the show.
Louis: Yeah.
David: There's a new season of "Curb" that's coming out, too. From the trailer, I'm worried
that they're going to be reusing some material, but we'll get to that a different day.
Hey, real quick, some gay rights... some anti-gay rights people now are turning the whole...
trying to turn the situation around and saying they are the ones who are being bullied. And
as the gay rights movement advances, I think we're going to see more and more of this,
which is going to be people who are anti-gay are going to start saying they're the victims
of intolerance.
And Jim Campbell, for example, who's an attorney for the conservative Alliance Defense Fund,
said, "They're advocating for a lot of changes in the name of tolerance, yet ironically the
tolerance is not returned for people of faith who don't agree with their agenda."
You know what? Yeah, why would people be tolerant of bigots like you who think that there is
any tangible reason, any realistic, good argument to be made why gay and lesbian couples should
not have the same rights and not be discriminated against as heterosexual couples?
Louis: Right.
David: I mean, it's like saying you know, I call people the N-word all...
Louis: That's the word, discrimination. There's no discrimination coming from the other side.
David: Right. People are angry...
Louis: The discrimination is going in one direction.
David: Yeah. People are angry with you because you're an anti-gay nut and you're a bigot.
It's not...
Louis: You're not being discriminated against.
David: Right, you're just a bigot. It's like saying listen, I...
Louis: It's not like these people are walking into a restaurant owned by a gay person and
told to get out because they're straight, right?
David: Right. I call people the N-word, and now everybody's being mean to me. I just don't
get it! That's basically what this is. So yeah, while you continue to push your anti-gay
rhetoric and Bible quotes for why people should not just be able to live in peace and have
all the same rights as you do...
Louis: You will get bullied by people who...
David: Not bullied. You're not going to be treated well, though. People aren't... those
who are for gay rights are not going to like you, you're going to have to face that. While
you continue to hold bigoted positions publicly and try to affect people's lives who aren't
trying to go out there and do anything other than have... be on the same playing field
as heterosexual couples, expect that they're not going to like you. That doesn't mean you're
being bullied, that doesn't mean you're being discriminated against. I mean, give me a break!
Louis: No, but if there were some type of debate going on, that's the term they would
use. They would claim that they were being bullied.
David: Right. And it's not, you're not being bullied, you're just a bigot, and people don't...
many people don't like that.
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