TOWARDS CENTRAL PARK 7:33 IN
THE MORNING.
IN ONE OF THOSE CARS MOMENTS
AGO SENATOR RAND PAUL.
BRIAN: STRETCH LIMO.
HE DEMANDED IT.
AINSLEY: HELICOPTER ON THE
ROOF, COME ON.
STEVE: SENATOR PAUL AND HIS
WIFE KELLY PAUL JOIN US
RIGHT NOW.
THEY HAVE WRITTEN A BRAND
NEW BOOK IT'S CALLED THE
CASE AGAINST SOCIALISM AND
THEY JOIN US LIVE.
AINSLEY: GOOD MORNING.
>> GOOD MORNING.
>> GOOD MORNING, THANKS FOR
HAVING US.
STEVE: WE ARE GOING TO TALK
ABOUT YOUR BOOK IN JUST A
MOMENT.
SENATOR, SO MUCH OF OUR
ATTENTION IN THE NEWS MEDIA
HAS BEEN ABOUT THE UKRAINE
SITUATION.
YOU WANT AN INVESTIGATION
INTO A LETTER THREE OF YOUR
FELLOW COLLEAGUES IN THE
SENATE WROTE UKRAINE TRYING
TO DIG UP SOME STUFF, WHAT A
YEAR, YEAR AND A HALF AGO?
>> I THINK THE ONLY THING
CONSISTENT ABOUT THE WHOLE
DISCUSSION OF PEOPLE
THREATENING UKRAINIAN AID IS
EVERYBODY SEEMS TO BE DOING
THIS ON BOTH SIDES IT.
CAN'T REALLY BE ONE SIDE
ACCUSING THE PRESIDENT OF
DOING IT.
JOE BIDEN THREATENED THE AID
AND THEN THREE SENATORS
WROTE A LETTER TO THE
UKRAINIAN GOVERNMENT AND
THEY SAID IF YOU DON'T
CONTINUE INVESTIGATING
TRUMP, AND HELP THE MUELLER
INVESTIGATION.
WE MAY PULL BACK ON YOUR
AID.
SO IT SOUNDS LIKE EVERYBODY
AND THEIR BROTHER IS
THREATENING UKRAINIAN AID SO
WE CAN'T HAVE TWO STANDARDS.
DEMOCRATS GET TO THREATEN
UKRAINIAN AID AND NOTHING
HAPPENS TO HIM.
NOW THEY WANT TO IMPEACH A
PRESIDENT OVER THIS?
I THINK IT'S LOOKING MORE
AND MORE LIKE IT'S JUST A
VERY BUNCH OF PARTISAN
ATTACK.
>> HOW CAN YOU NOT WANT TO
HEAR FROM THE WHISTLEBLOWER.
ADAM SCHIFF SAID YESTERDAY
WHISTLEBLOWER.
I THOUGHT HE WAS AT THE HUB
OF EVERYTHING.
>> ONE OF THE INTERESTING
THINGS ABOUT THE
WHISTLEBLOWER IS I THINK
PEOPLE SHOULD ASK HOW HE GOT
THE INFORMATION OR SHE GOT
THE INFORMATION BECAUSE I
THINK IT WAS GOTTEN
ILLEGALLY.
ONLY A PERSON PEOPLE CAN
LISTEN TO THE PHONE CALL.
I THINK VERY FEW SHOULD BE
LISTENING TO THE PRESIDENT'S
PHONE CALLS.
THAT GROUP WAS SELECTED, THE
WHISTLEBLOWER IS OUT OF THAT
GROUP.
SOMEBODY IN THIS SMALL GROUP
BROKE THE LAW.
AND YOU CAN SAY WELL MAYBE
IT'S NOT THAT IMPORTANT.
WHAT IF THEY GAVE OUT THE
NUCLEAR SECRETS OR
SOMETHING, SOMETHING REALLY
IMPORTANT TOUR NATIONAL
SECURITY.
THE NAME OF A SPY OR
SOMETHING.
YOU CAN'T HAVE PEOPLE IN THE
INNER CIRCLE THAT CAN LISTEN
TO THE PRESIDENT'S PHONE
CALLS LEAKING THAT
INFORMATION ILLEGALLY.
THEY NEED TO BE PUNISHED AND
REMOVED FROM GOVERNMENT.
AINSLEY: HOW WILL THE SENATE
REACT TO THIS?
ARE THERE REPUBLICANS IN THE
SENATE GOING TO GET TOGETHER
AND TRY TO SUPPORT THIS
PRESIDENT IF THEY DON'T
BELIEVE THAT THAT WAS AN
IMPEACHABLE OFFENSE?
>> I THINK THERE IS A GREAT
DEAL OF TALK ABOUT THE IDEA
OF WHETHER OR NOT, YOU KNOW,
IMPEACHING SOMEONE OVER.
THIS PARTICULARLY THE
DEMOCRATS DID SOMETHING VERY
SIMILAR IN THREATENING THE
AID AND SAYING IF YOU DON'T
INVESTIGATE TRUMP.
IT SOUNDS LIKE THE DEMOCRATS
HAVE DONE EXACTLY THE SAME
THING THEY'RE ACCUSING THE
PRESIDENT OF DOING.
I THINK IN THE END IT'S
GOING TO BE SEEN BY THE
AMERICAN PUBLIC AS VERY
PARTISAN IF THE HOUSE SENDS
IT OVER I THINK IT WILL BE
VOTED DOWN IN THE SENATE.
BRIAN: KELLY, LET'S PIVOT TO
YOUR BOOK THAT YOU WROTE
WITH THE SENATOR.
HOW DOES SOCIALISM RESONATE
WITH YOU?
I KNOW TUCKER CARLSON
ENDORSES THE BOOK IT'S GOT
TO BE GOOD.
>> YES.
BRIAN: HOW DID YOU REALIZE
THIS WAS A PROJECT YOU
WANTED TO WORK ON TOGETHER.
WHAT ABOUT ABOUT SOCIALISM
STRUCK HOME.
>> RAND TAUGHT A COURSE.
HE HAS BACKGROUND, IS A
MEDICAL DOCTOR BUT HE IS
ALSO ALWAYS BEEN A HUGE FAN
OF DOSK CAN I AND THE
DYSTOPIAN BEFORE THAT HE
TAUGHT THIS COURSE AND HE
HAD WRITTEN QUITE A BIT
ABOUT IT.
AND THEN HE GOT THE IDEA TO
TURN THIS INTO A BOOK.
WE STARTED WITH THE
PHILOSOPHY.
>> WE SHOULD MAKE IT
INTERESTING.
WILL DRY.
LET'S ADD SOME CURRENT
EVENTS.
>> PHILOSOPHY AND THE
HISTORY OF SOCIALISM WHICH,
AS YOU KNOW FROM, MAO TO
STALIN IS HORRIFIC.
I GOT INVOLVED AND WROTE A
LOT OF SECTIONS ON WHAT THEY
ACTUALLY DO IN SCANDINAVIA
BECAUSE BERNIE AND ELIZABETH
WARREN LIKE TO TALK SO MUCH
ABOUT DENMARK AND SWEDEN.
AINSLEY: WHAT DO THEY DO.
BRIAN: THEY MISCHARACTERIZE
IT NUMBER ONE.
>> ABSOLUTELY.
THE FIRST THING THAT I
PRETTY MUCH LEARNED IN DOING
RESEARCH FOR THIS IS BERNIE
SANDERS IS TOO LIBERAL TO
GET ELECTED IN DENMARK.
PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING THAT
THEY ADVOCATE FOR THEY DON'T
ACTUALLY DO MUCH OF THOSE
THINGS IN SCANNED KNAVE I
CAN'T.
THEY HAVE VERY LOW CORPORATE
TAXES.
THEY WERE MUCH LOWER THAN
OURS UNTIL THE TRUMP TAX
CUTS LOWERED OUR CORPORATE
TAXES.
THEY HAVE NO PUNITIVE WEALTH
TAXES.
THEY TRIED THAT BACK IN THE
1970s AND ALL OF THE
WEALTHY LEFT.
THE FOUNDER OF IKEA BORG.
SO NOW THEIR WEALTHY ARE
TAXED PRETTY MUCH AT THE
SAME LEVEL WHO MAKE 60,000 A
YEAR.
THE BIG LIE IS IT'S A
MATHEMATICS PROBLEM.
IF YOU WANT FREE HEALTHCARE
AND FREE COLLEGE TUITION,
YOU PRETTY MUCH ONLY DO THAT
BY TAXING THE MIDDLE CLASS
AT ABOUT 60,000 -- 60%.
AND THEY HAVE A VAT TAX, A
VALUE ADDED TAX OF 25% ON
EVERYTHING THEY BUY.
A DOZEN EGGS, A PAIR OF
JEANS, EVERYTHING.
STEVE: THIS IS SOMETHING
THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE IN YOUR
HUSBAND'S BUSINESS TALK
ABOUT TRYING TO MAKE THINGS
MORE, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU
LOOK AT A RECENT POLL I
THINK 43% OF AMERICANS,
SENATOR, SAID THAT SOCIALISM
MAYBE COULD BE A GOOD THING
FOR THE UNITED STATES OF
AMERICA.
43%.
HOW DID THAT NUMBER GET TO
BE 43%?
>> THAT SORT OF BOGGLES MY
MIND.
BECAUSE WHEN I TELL PEOPLE
WE HAVE WRITTEN A BOOK THE
CASE AGAINST SOCIALISM,
REALLY?
SHOULD THAT BE NECESSARY?
AND BUT I THINK OUR KIDS
AREN'T BEING TAUGHT THE
HISTORY.
THE HISTORY OF SOCIALISM
REALLY TIME AND TIME AND
TIME AGAIN IS ASSOCIATED
WITH GENOCIDE AND FAMINE.
OUR COUNTRIES DON'T KNOW WHO
MAO WAS AND FULL POT WAS.
AND BARLEY NO STALIN BARELY
ANY OF THEM KNOW HITLER WAS
A SOCIALIST AS WELL.
IT'S JUST AN ACCIDENT THOSE
PEOPLE BECAME DICTATORS.
NO, MAYBE IT'S PART OF
SOCIALISM THAT
AUTHORITARIANISM IS WHAT
SOCIALISM DEVOLVES INTO.
BRIAN: SENATOR, WHEN YOU
LOOK AT THE NEW DEAL.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT MEDICARE
AND MEDICAID AND SOCIAL
SECURITY.
PEOPLE SAY THOSE ARE
SOCIALISTIC PRINCIPLES AND
POLICIES, AREN'T THEY?
HOW DID THEY FIT IN?
>> WE ADDRESS THAT IN THE
BOOK ANY USE OF GOVERNMENT
FORCE IS SOMETHING THAT
TAKES AWAY YOUR LIBERTY.
THAT'S THE ARGUMENT WHY OUR
FOUNDING FATHERS SAID WE
WANT TO MINIMIZE IT.
WE DON'T SAY THERE IS NO
GOVERNMENT.
YES WE HAVE SOCIAL SECURITY
AND MEDICARE INVOLVEMENT.
WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE
DON'T MAKE TAXES SO
EXPANSIVE THAT YOU HAVE TO
TAX 100 PERCENT OF YOUR
INCOME BECAUSE THEN YOU ARE
NOT REALLY FREE.
MANY PEOPLE IN OUR COUNTRY
AROUND 50%.
DO YOU WANT TO BE 60% OR
40%?
70% 80%, 90%.
BEERNZ IS TALKING ABOUT
TAXING PEOPLE VIRTUALLY ALL
OF THEIR WEALTH.
BRIAN: NOT HIS BOOK THOUGH.
AINSLEY: VERY INTERESTING.
THANK YOU FOR COMING ON TO
TALK ABOUT IT.
HOW ARE YOU FEELING.
>> I'M GETTING BETTER.
I'M ALMOST BACK.
IT TAKES A LOT TO GET ME
DOWN.
I'M COMING BACK.
BRIAN: THAT'S WHY SHE DID
MOST OF THE WORK ON THE
BOOK.