CHEMICAL WEAPONS TO ESCALATE THE
WAR IN UKRAINE.
WE'RE BACK WITH FORMER
AMBASSADOR MICHAEL McFAUL AND
FRANK FIGLUOZI.
I DON'T HAVE WORDS FOR THIS PART
OF HORROR SO I TURN THE FLOOR
OVER TO YOU.
>> I WANT TO SAY A COUPLE
THINGS.
FIRST, THIS IS A DISINFORMATION
CAMPAIGN.
RUSSIANS DOING DISINFORMATION
AND THE WORLD, IN OUR COUNTRY AS
WE HAVE DISCUSSED FOR MANY
YEARS.
AND DISINFORMATION WORKS.
PROPAGANDA WORKS.
WHEN YOU HAVE THE NUMBERS IN OUR
COUNTRY THAT WE DO THAT DON'T
BELIEVE PRESIDENT BIDEN WAS
ELECTED IN A FREE AND FASH
ELECTION THAT'S HARD EVIDENCE
THAT PROPAGANDA WORKS.
IN OUR COUNTRY AND AS WELL AS IN
RUSSIA.
SOMETHING ABOUT RUSSIA.
IT IS TOO DARK FOR ME THIS
CONVERSATION.
JUST BECAUSE THEY HAVE
PROPAGANDA DON'T ASSUME THAT ALL
RUSSIANS BELIEVE IT.
IF THEY DON'T TELL US WE
SHOULDN'T ASSUME THAT THEY DO.
RUSSIAN SOCIETY IS DIVIDED JUST
LIKE OUR SOCIETY IS DIVIDED.
THE MORE URBAN EDUCATED RICH AND
YOUNG YOU ARE THE LESS LIKELY
YOU ARE TO READ AND BELIEVE
PUTIN'S PROPAGANDA.
WE KNOW THAT FROM PUBLIC
OPINION.
NAVALNY SITS IN JAIL RIGHT NOW.
WHEN ALLOWED TO RUN FOR MAYOR
WITH NO RESOURCES AND TV GOT A
QUARTER OF THE VOTE IN MOSCOW.
REMEMBER THAT.
NOT ALL RUSSIANS GOING FOR THE
BS ON TV.
THE MORE RURAL YOU ARE, LESS
EDUCATED, LESS WEALTHY AND OLDER
THE MORE LIKELY YOU ARE TO
BELIEVE TO BELIEVE PUTIN'S
PROPAGANDA.
>> PULL THE THREAD FOR ME THEN.
I THINK MOST ALLIES WOULD SAY
THAT NOT ALL AMERICANS BELIEVE
THAT THERE WAS FRAUD IN THE 2020
ELECTION BUT IT WAS TOO CLOSE
FOR COMFORT AND ALLIES WOR TRUMP
SCHISM A VIRUS IN THE AMERICAN
BODY POLITIC.
>> RIGHT.
I'LL LET YOU AND FRANK SPEAK
ABOUT AMERICA BUT IN RUSSIA IT
IS THE EXACT SAME THING.
THERE'S A CORE OF SUPPORTERS FOR
PUTIN THAT LISTEN TO THE STORIES
AND SEE THE CHILDREN DYING AND
SAY THAT'S PROPAGANDA FROM NATO
AND NAZI SUPPORTERS.
WILL NEVER BE SWAYED AN D THEN
BRAVE CORE I THINK LIKE MILLIONS
OF PEOPLE THAT DON'T BELIEVE THE
PROPAGANDA.
IF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE ARE
ARRESTED AND FACING 15 YEARS IN
JAIL THAT SUGGESTS THERE'S A
MUCH BIGGER SILENT GROUP WITH
THE SAME PREFERENCES THAT DON'T
WANT DO GO TO JAIL FOR 15 YEARS.
AND THEN THERE ARE THOSE THAT
ARE IN THE MIDDLE THAT COULD BE
PERSUADED.
AGREE COMPLETELY WITH WHAT FRANK
SAID THAT IT IS HARDER.
IF PUTIN IS DOING WELL HE
WOULDN'T SHUTT DOWN THE LARGEST
INDEPENDENT RADIO STATION AND TV
RAIN.
I FEAR HE IS ABOUT TO SHUTT DOWN
YOUTUBE.
YOU DON'T DO THAT IF 75% OF THE
PEOPLE SUPPORT YOU.
YOU ONLY DO THAT IF YOU'RE
AFRAID YOU LOSE THE VOTERS AND
THAT SUGGESTS HE KNOWS HE'S
LOSING PEOPLE AND WE HAVE TO BE
SMARTER ABOUT VPN, TEXT MESSAGES
TO SOLDIERS.
THERE'S WAYS TO PENETRATE THE
PIECES.
I THINK IT'S THE WEAKEST PART OF
THE BIDEN RESPONSE.
NATO SUPPORT FANTASTIC.
SANCTIONS FANTASTIC.
WEAPONS TO UKRAINIAN FANTASTIC.
THIS INFORMATION PIECE THERE'S
MORE WORK TO BE DONE.
>> YOU TWO ARE THE TWO SMARTEST
PEOPLE IN THE SPACE.
FRANK, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE?
>> FIRST, I'LL TAKE ANY GLIMMER
OF HOME THAT AMBASSADOR McFAUL
IS OFFERING AND HE'S RIGHT AND
WHERE WE NEED TO FOCUS ON THE
SEGMENT OF THE RUSSIAN
POPULATION THAT'S SILENT AND
GETS IT AND WHERE THE
INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY FOCUSES
I'M SURE AND WAY BEHIND THE
CURVE WITH REGARD TO
TECHNOLOGICAL ADVANCES TO GET
CONTROL OF.
INSIDE THE UNITED STATES, LOOK.
IT IS TIME FOR A REAL BATTLE
AGAINST DISINFORMATION
INTERNALLY AND EXTERNALLY AND
THERE'S A GREAT FEAR OF A
GOVERNMENT TELLING AMERICANS
WHAT TO THINK.
WE HAVE TO GET MUCH BETTER AT
GIVING AMERICANS OPTIONS AT THE
TRUTH AND TO SELECT FROM WHEN
THEY EVERY MAKING CRITICAL
DEADLY
DECISIONS AND DEADLY DECISIONS.
SOCIAL MEDIA HAS GOT TO BE
REGULATED.
WILL THAT HAPPEN IN THIS
CONGRESS?
PROBABLY NOT.
THEY'RE NOT STEPPING UP TO THE
PLATE ENOUGH.
NEITHER ARE LAWMAKERS.
NEITHER IS THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH.
AMERICA'S GOT TO GET SMARTER,
MORE SAVVY TO BE CONSUMERS OF
INFORMATION AND A GLOBAL
PROBLEM.
IT IS CERTAINLY NOT UNIQUELY
AMERICAN.
>> I WANT TO -- FRANK, I WANT TO
SHOW SOMETHING THAT I HAVEN'T
COVERED ALL OF THIS SINCE THE
WAR STARTED BUT THE COMMENTS
HAVEN'T STOPPED AND WANT TO ASK
YOU ABOUT THEM IN A NATIONAL
SECURITY CONTEXT AND WHAT
VLADIMIR PUTIN DOES WHEN
REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE J.D. VANCE,
HIGHLY EDUCATED MAN SAYS, QUOTE,
I GOT TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, I
DON'T REALLY CHOIR WHAT HAPPENS
TO UKRAINE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
MADISON KAUAI THORN, THESE ARE
HIS WORDS.
REMEMBER THAT ZELENSKYY IS A
THUG.
THE UKRAINIAN GOVERNMENT IS
INCREDIBLY CORRUPT AND IT IS
INCREDIBLY EVIL AND HAS BEEN
PUSHING WOKE IDEOLOGIES.
MARCH 10th.
SAME GENTLEMAN -- I WON'T READ
MORE OF HIM.
THIS IS MARJORIE TAYLOR GREENE.
NATO SUPPLYING THEM WITH WEAPONS
AND HOW TO USE THEM.
WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON WITH
THESE NATO NAZIS?
WHAT DOES PUTIN DO WITH THAT?
>> WE KNOW FROM HARD EVIDENCE
THAT SOME OF THE PEOPLE YOU
MENTIONED ARE BEING FEATURED
NIGHTLY WITHIN RUSSIA.
PEOPLE ARE COMING HOME FROM WORK
IN MOSCOW AND TUNING IN TO
PEOPLE LIKE MADISON CAWTHORNE,
TUCKER CARLSON.
WE HAVE REPORTING I BELIEVE
MOTHER JONES THAT CLAIMED TO
HAVE THE HANDS ON A LEAKED MEMO
THAT TELLS THE RUSSIAN NEWS
AGENCIES PLEASE FEATURE TUCKER
CARLSON ON THE EVENING NEWS.
YOU HAVE TO ASK YOURSELF WHEN
YOU ARE CHOOSING WHAT TO WATCH
HERE IN THE UNITED STATES OR TO
VOTE FOR HERE IN THE UNITED
STATES WHAT TEAM ARE YOU A PART
OF?
WILL YOU SIDE WITH PEOPLE WHO
ARE ACTUALLY BECOMING
OPERATIONAL ASSETS WHETHER THEY
ARE WITTING OR NOT?
NOW THEY ARE ON EVENING NEWS IN
RUSSIA WHEN THEY SLAUGHTER
INNOCENT WOMEN AND CHILDREN.
IT'S TIME TO MAKE THAT CHOICE
AND TIME FOR THE PUBLIC TO SPEAK
OUT LOUDLY ON THAT.
>> THOSE POLITICIANS SHOULD BE
DISQUALIFIED FOR THE COMMENTS
BUT IT IS A SIGN BACK TO THE
EARLIER CONVERSATION HOW SICK
OUR OWN POLITICS ARE.
I WANT TO TAKE THE NOTE ABOUT
OPTIMISM AND IT IS NOT ALL BLEAK
HERE.
AMBASSADOR McFAUL, THIS IS ADAM
KINZINGER WITH TRUTH BOMBS OF
HIS OWN.
>> HE WAS AN AWFUL PRESIDENT AND
HE WAS AWFUL ON THIS ISSUE.
YEAH.
THERE IS SOMETHING TO THE FACT
THAT NOBODY KNEW WHAT DONALD
TRUMP WAS GOING TO DO AND
BECAUSE HE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT HE
WAS GOING TO DO.
THAT WAS NOT A DETERRENT TO
PUTIN.
VLADIMIR PUTIN, XI, GETTING
EVERYTHING THEY WANTED TO DONALD
TRUMP.
IF SOMEBODY SAID THAT DONALD
TRUMP WOULD BE BETTER AT THIS IT
IS GARBAGE.
ANYBODY IN THEIR RIGHT MIND
CAN'T BELIEVE THAT AND TIME TO
START TELLING PEOPLE THE TRUTH.
YOU WANT TO BE A REPUBLICAN?
YOU CAN DISLIKE JOE BIDEN AND
DON'T PRETEND LIKE DONALD TRUMP
WAS ANY GOOD.
>> I LOVE THAT.
YOU CAN BE A REPUBLICAN AND
DISLIKE JOE BIDEN BUT DON'T
PRETEND THAT DONALD TRUMP WAS
ANY GOOD.
I HOPE THAT -- YOU KNOW, I MEAN,
I COME BACK TO THIS BECAUSE THE
TRUTH IS WE'LL HEAR FROM
REPUBLICANS BUT I'LL SEND A CASE
OF DOUGHNUTS TO ANYONE TO SHOW
ME THAT CLIP ON ANY FOX NEWS
SHOW.
>> THAT'S VERY POWERFUL AND A
FIGHT FOR THE SOUL OF THE
REPUBLICAN PARTY.
IT'S A REAL FIGHT AND WHEN I
LOOK AT FROM A NATIONAL SECURITY
PERSPECTIVE I'M REALLY CONFIDENT
THAT WE HAVE THE BETTER IDEAS.
ZELENSKYY AND THE UKRAINIANS
WILL WIN.
I DON'T KNOW WHEN.
PUTIN CAN'T CRUSH THEM WITH THE
ARMY THAT HE HAS OR IDEAS TO
PROPAGATE AND LONG RUN THE WORLD
WANTS US TO BE STRONG AS A
LEADER OF THE FREE WORLD AND I'M
CONFIDENT AND OPTIMISTIC ABOUT
IT WITH A CAVEAT.
WE WIN IN THE LONG RUN UNLESS WE
ARE DIVIDED HERE AT HOME AND
WHEN I SEE THE QUOTES I DIDN'T
KNOW TWO OF THE THREE THAT YOU