>>> DO YOU KNOW HOW LONG AGO
TRUMP’S IMPEACHMENT WAS IN FOUR
MONTHS.
A LOT HAS OBVIOUSLY HAPPENED
SINCE THEN BUT THE EVIDENCE HAS
BEEN PILING UP.
A CORE QUESTION ABOUT TRUMP
DIRECTLY SEEKING COLLUSION TO
WIN RE-ELECTION IN IT HAS BEEN
PUBLICLY RESOLVED BY MANY
PEOPLE.
THE WORST EVIDENCE COMING FROM
HIS OWN AIDES.
SOME TESTIFYING AGAINST HIM
DIRECTLY.
OTHERS ADMITTING IT IN PUBLIC.
MICK MULL EVENTY SAID WE DO IT
ALL THE TIME.
GET OVER IT.
AND THEN SAYING, HE TRIED TO
COLLUDE.
SAYING TRUMP DIDN’T JUST HIRE
VERY WELL.
NOT EXACTLY A DENIAL OF THE
ALLEGED IMPEACHABLE OFFENSE.
WE WANT TO GET INTO THIS NOW
WITH THE FORMER REPUBLICAN
GOVERNOR OF NEW JERSEY AND THE
EPA OFFICIAL.
GOOD TO SEE YOU.
GOVERNOR, TAKE A LOOK.
NICE TO SEE YOU.
HOW FREQUENTLY THIS PATTERN
PLAYS OUT OF THE PRESIDENT
PRAISING THESE PEOPLE HE PICKED
ON THE WAY IN AND THEN JUST
BASHING THEY WILL ON THE WAY
OUT.
>> JUST A BRILLIANT, WONDERFUL
MAN.
HE IS THE REAL DEAL.
>> WHAT ABOUT GENERAL MATTIS?
IS HE GOING TO LEAVE?
>> IT COULD BE THAT HE IS.
I THINK HE IS SORT OF A DEMOCRAT
IF YOU WANT TO KNOW THE
TRUTHFUL.
>> I LIKE BOLTON.
A TOUGH COOKIE.
HE KNOWS WHAT HE’S TALKING
ABOUT.
>> HE MADE SOME VERY BIG
MISTAKES.
JOHN WASN’T IN LINE WITH WHAT WE
WERE DOING.
MR. TOUGH GUY.
I HAVE TREMENDOUS ALMOST FOR
HIM.
WE DISAGREED ON THINGS.
WE WERE NOT REALLY THINKING THE
SAME.
A MAN OF INTEGRITY, A MAN OF
PRINCIPAL AND A MAN OF TOTAL
UTTER RESOLVE.
JEFF SESSIONS WAS A DISASTER,
NOT MENTALLY QUALIFIED TO BE
ATTORNEY GENERAL.
>> GOVERNOR?
>> HE HAS ABSOLUTELY NO LOYALTY
TO ANYBODY.
I DON’T KNOW WHY WE’RE
SURPRISED.
I WILL SAY THE BOWLON BOOK IS A
LITTLE BIT, YOU WONDER, WHY
DIDN’T YOU SAY THESE THINGS?
WHY DIDN’T YOU TESTIFY?
BE THAT AS IT MAY, EVERYTHING HE
SAID IS SOMETHING WE’VE ALL
HEARD BEFORE.
AND IT IS JUST, IT HAS TO BE
UPSETTING TO PEOPLE.
WHY ANYONE WOULD GO INTO THIS
ADMINISTRATION, I DON’T KNOW.
YOU DON’T GET TO HELP REALLY
WITH ANY POLICY AT ALL.
WHATEVER THE PRESIDENT WANTS AND
YOU CAN SAY ONE THING AND HE HAS
NO HESITATION ABOUT CUT, YOUR
LEGS OUT FROM YOU UNDERSTAND YOU
THE NEXT DAY.
IT IS REALLY DISTRESSING.
IT SENDS A MESSAGE TO THE WORLD
THAT WE’RE NOT ON SOLID GROUND
IN THIS COUNTRY ANYMORE.
WE’RE NOT THE COUNTRY TO LOOK UP
TO FOR LEADERSHIP.
BECAUSE IT IS SO ERRATIC.
>> YOU’VE DONE BOTH.
AS A GOVERNOR, THE BUCK STOPS
WITH YOU.
YOU CALL THE SHOTS.
WE’VE TALKED ABOUT PUBLIC POLICY
WITH POLICING.
THEN YOU WORKED IN AN
ADMINISTRATION WHERE YOU’RE IN
THIS OTHER ROLE.
WITH THIS PATTERN THAT WE JUST
SHOWED, IT IS SO OBVIOUS.
YOU’RE A MODERATE REPUBLICAN
THAT YOU SERVED.
HOW IS IT IN YOUR VIEW THAT
OTHER REPUBLICANS OR EXPERTS
LOOK AT WHAT IS IN PUBLIC AND
SAY, I SHOULD JUMP IN AND SERVE
WITH TRUMP?
DO THEY THINK THEY’LL BE
DIFFERENT?
>> WELL, THEY JUST LIKE THE
POWER.
EVERYBODY THINKS THEY’LL BE
DIFFERENT.
NOBLE THINKS THEY’RE GOING TO
DIE.
WE ALL WILL AT SOME POINT BUT
NOBODY EMBRACES THAT THOUGHT.
AND CERTAINLY, PEOPLE JUST WANT
TO BE NEAR POWER.
THEY WANT TO BE QUOTED.
THEY WANT TO BE THE ONES ON YOUR
SHOW AND TO BE INTERVIEWED.
THAT’S WHAT IT IS ALL ABOUT.
THAT FEELING OF POWER.
AND THEY’RE WILLING TO PUT THEIR
PRINCIPLES ON THE SHELF WHEN
THEY DO IT.
THAT’S WHAT I THINK IS
UNACCEPTABLE.
>> I APPRECIATE YOUR CANDOR.
THAT’S A QUESTION PEOPLE ASK AND
YOU’VE BEEN CLOSE TO IT.
YOU’RE GIVEN THE REAL ANSWER.
THE TIME QUESTION, GIVEN WHAT
BOLTON IS SAYING, HOWEVER TARDY,
DO YOU FEEL IT UNDERSCORES A
NATIONAL SECURITY PROBLEM IN THE
TRUMP ADMINISTRATION THAT IS
GOING ON WHEN WE’RE
UNDERSTANDABLY LOOKING AT OTHER
THINGS?
>> TRUMP IS A MASTER OF
REDIRECTING THE DIALOGUE AND THE
NEWS CYCLE.
SO HE’LL SAY SOMETHING APPALLING
THE WAY HE JUST SAID THAT THAT
GENTLEMAN WHO WAS PUSHED DOWN IN
BOSTON, I GUESS IT WAS, AT THE
DEMONSTRATION, WHEREVER HE WAS
PUSHED DOWN AND CRACKED HIS
HEAD.
IT IS TOO BAD IT HAD TO HAPPEN
TO HIM.
NO.
IT DIDN’T HAVE TO HAPPEN TO HIM.
HE SAID HE WAS IN THE POLICE
SPACE SO THEY DID WHAT THEY HAD
TO DO.
THEY DIDN’T TO HAVE PUSH HIM
DOWN.
THE MAN IS STILL IN A COMA AND
CAN’T MOVE.
HE IS PARALYZED.
THIS THE KIND OF MAN WE HAVE AS
PRESIDENT.
HE IS JUST AS YOU AND I HAVE
TALKED ABOUT THIS.
HE IS NOT REFLECTIVE OF WHO WE
ARE AS A COUNTRY, AS A PEOPLE.
AND HE IS PUTTING US IN A, I
BELIEVE, A MORE DANGEROUS
POSITION.
THE REST OF THE WORLD IS NOT
TAKING US SERIOUSLY AND RUSSIA
AND CHINA ARE RUSHING INTO THE
VACUUM.
YOU LOOK AT WHAT’S HAPPENING
BETWEEN CHINA AND INDIA.
THAT’S SCARY STUFF.
YOU HAVE NUCLEAR POWER COUNTRIES
FACING EACH OTHER.
CHINA HAS NOT BACKED OFF.
WHATEVER DEAL THE PRESIDENT
THOUGHT HE HAD GOTTEN WITH KIM
JONG-UN
JONG-UN.
BLOWING UP HOUSES WHERE THEY
WERE HAVING CONVERSATIONS WITH
THE SOUTH KOREANS, THE NORTH
KOREANS DID.
SO THE WORLD IS NOT A SAFER
PLACE WITH THIS PRESIDENT.
I THINK WE’RE LESS SAFE,
FRANKLY.
>> ALL IMPORTANT TO REFLECT ON.
GOVERNOR WHITMAN, THANK YOU.
HAVE A GOOD WEEKEND.