EVERYONE WAS IN THE LOOP. IT WAS NO SECRET.
PETER ALEXANDER HAS
DETAILS.
>> Reporter: TONIGHT,
BOMBSHELL TESTIMONY
FROM GORDON SONDLAND,
THE TRUMP DONOR TURNED
DIPLOMAT TURNING
AGAINST THE
PRESIDENT’S KEY LINE
OF DEFENSE IN THE
IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY,
THERE WAS NO
QUID QUID PRO
QUID PRO QUO.
SUN LAND SAY
SONDLAND SAYING THERE
WAS.
>> WAS THERE A Q
QUID PRO QUO, WITH
REGARD TO THE WHITE
HOUSE CALL AND THE
WHITE HOUSE MEETING,
THE ANSWER IS YES.
>> Reporter: SONDLAND
EMPHASIZING IT WAS
WIDELY KNOWN.
>> EVERYONE WAS IN THE
LOOP.
IT WAS NO SECRET,
AGAIN, EVERYONE WAS IN
THE LOOP.
>> IT STARTED SONDLAND
SAYS WHEN THE
PRESIDENT DIRECT D
HIM, ENERGY SECRETARY
RICK PERRY AND CURT AS
A RULE KER-- KURT VULKER
TO WORK ON UKRAINE.
>> SECRETARY PERRY,
AMBASSADOR VULKER AND
I WORKED WITH MR. ROUEUDY
GIULIANI ON UKRAINE
MATTERS AT THE
EXPRESSED DIRECTION OF
THE PRESIDENT OF THE
UNITED STATES.
WE DID NOT WANT TO
WORK WITH MR. GULL
GIULIANI.
SIMPLY PUT, WE WERE
PLAYING THE HAND WE
WERE DEALT SO WE
FOLLOWED THE
PRESIDENT’S ORDERS.
>> Reporter: SONDLAND
DESCRIBING THE
QUID QUO PRO TO GET A
WHITE HOUSE MEETING HE
HAD TO PUBLICLY
ANNOUNCE
INVESTIGATIONS
ANNOUNCE INVESTIGATIONS GIULIANI WAS PUSHING
FOR INCLUDING THE
UKRAINIAN COMPANY
EMPLOYING HUNTER
BIDEN.
>> MR. GIULIANI
DEMANDED THAT UKRAINE
MAKE A PUBLIC
STATEMENT ANNOUNCING
THE INVESTIGATIONS OF
THE 2016 ELECTION, DNC
SERVER AND BARMISMA.
MR. GIULIANI WAS
EXPRESSING THE DESIRES
OF THE PRESIDENT OF
THE UNITED STATES.
>> Reporter: SONDLAND
REVEALING EMAILS HE
SAYS PROVE HIS CASE
AND IMPLICATE SOME OF
THE TOP OFFICIALS IN
THE TRUMP
ADMINISTRATION
INCLUDING THIS AUGUST
MESSAGE TO SECRETARY
OF STATE MIKE POMPEO
UPDATING EFFORTS TO
NAIL DOWN EUKRAINE’S
PUBLIC STATEMENT.
>> MIKE, REFERRING TO
MIKE POMPEO, WE
NEGOTIATED A STATEMENT
FROM ZELENSKY TO BE
DELIVERED FOR OUR
REVIEW IN A DAY OR
TWO.
THE CONTENTS WILL
HOPEFULLY MAKE THE
BOSS HAPPY ENOUGH, THE
BOSS BEING THE
PRESIDENT, TO
AUTHORIZE AN
INVITATION.
>> Reporter: HE SAID
OTHER TOP OFFICIALS
WERE ALSO IN THE LOOP.
>> IN FACT, YOU SAY
OTHER SENIOR OFFICIALS
IN THE STATE
DEPARTMENT AND THE
CHIEFS OF STAFF’S
OFFICE INCLUDING NICK
MULVANEY SECRETARY
POMPEO WERE AWARE OF
THIS QUID QUO PRO, TO
GET THE WHITE HOUSE
MEETING THERE HAS TO
BE THESE
INVESTIGATIONS.
>> CORRECT.
>> Reporter: ON THE
QUESTION FOR MILITARY
AID, IT WAS BEING WITH
HELD TO THE TIME
SONDLAND SAYS HE
PRESUMED THE AID WAS
TIED TO UKRAINE
ANNOUNCING
INVESTIGATIONS BUT DID
NOT KNOW FOR SURE.
>> THE MILITARY ASSIST
ASSISTANCE WAS ALSO
BEING WITH HELD
PENDING ZELENSKY
ANNOUNCING THESE
INVESTIGATIONS.
>> CORRECT.
THAT WAS MY
PRESUMPTION, MY
PERSONAL PRESUMPTION
BASTE
BASED ON THE FACTS AT
THE TIME.
NOTHING WAS MOVING.
>> Reporter: SONDLAND
SAID THEY ASKED ABOUT
THE AID WHEN THEY
LEARNED IT WAS BEING
WITH HELD IN AUGUST.
>> YOU UNDERSTAND THEY
RECEIVED NO CREDIBLE
EXPLANATION, IS THAT
RIGHT?
>> I CERTAINLY
COULDN’T GIVE THEM
ONE.
>> SO THIS KIND OF A
TWO PLUS TWO EQUALS
FOUR CONCLUSION THAT
YOU REACHED?
>> PRETTY MUCH.
>> THE ONLY LOGICAL
CONCLUSION TO YOU
GIVEN THESE FACTORS
THE AID WAS PART OF
THIS QUID PRO QUO.
>> YES.
>> Reporter: SONDLAND
WAS NOT ON THE JULY
CALL BUT DOES RECALL
TALKING TO THE
PRESIDENT THE NEXT DAY
IN THAT CELL PHONE
CONVERSATION, AN
EMBASSY STAFFER SAID
HE OVER HEARD A
UKRAINIAN RESTAURANT
BETWEEN THE PRESIDENT
AND SONDLAND.
>> I’M NOT GOING TO
DISPUTE WHAT HE DID OR
DIDN’T HEAR.
>> WELL, HE ALSO
TESTIFIED THAT YOU
CONFIRMED TO PRESIDENT
TRUMP THAT YOU WERE IN
UKRAINE AT THE TIME
AND THAT PRESIDENT
ZELENSKY QUOTE LOVES
YOUR ASS UNQUOTE.
DO YOU RECALL SAYING
THAT?
>> SOUNDS LIKE
SOMETHING I WOULD SAY.
[ LAUGHTER ]
>> THAT’S HOW
PRESIDENT TRUMP AND I
COMMUNICATE, A LOT OF
FOUR-LETTER WORDS.
IN THIS CASE,
THREE-LETTER.
[ LAUGHTER ]
>> Reporter: THAT
STAFFER TESTIFYING
THAT THE PRESIDENT
BROUGHT UP THE
INVESTIGATION.
>> AND YOU RESPONLDED
HE’S GOING TO DO THEM,
OR IT AND THAT
PRESIDENT ZELENSKY
WILL DO ANYTHING YOU
ASK HIM TO DO.
IS THAT AN ACCURATE
RECITATION OF WHAT
HAPPENED THERE?
>> IT COULD HAVE BEEN
WORDS TO THAT EFFECT.
I WOULDN’T REMEMBER
THE RESPONSE.
>> Reporter: SONDLAND
SAYING IN EARLY
SEPTEMBER HE ASKED
VICE PRESIDENT PENCE
ABOUT THE AID.
>> I WAS IN A BRIEFING
WITH SEVERAL PEOPLE
AND I JUST SPOKE UP
AND I SAID IT APPEARS
THAT EVERYTHING IS
STALLED UNTIL THIS
STATEMENT GETS MADE.
THE VICE PRESIDENT
NODDED LIKE, YOU KNOW,
HE HEARD WHAT I SAID
AND THAT WAS PRETTY
MUCH IT AS I RECALL.
>> Reporter: THAT ON
SEPTEMBER 9th, THE
SAME DAY HOUSE
DEMOCRATS ANNOUNCED
THEIR INVESTIGATION
INTO THE PRESIDENT’S
DEALINGS WITH UKRAINE.
SONDLAND SAID HE SPOKE
TO THE PRESIDENT AGAIN
ASKING THIS QUESTION
ABOUT WHY THE AID WAS
HELD UP.
>> WHAT DO YOU WANT
FROM UKRAINE?
I KEEP HEARING ALL
THESE DIFFERENT IDEAS
AND THEORIES AND THIS
AND THAT.
WHAT DO YOU WANT?
HE SAID I WANT
NOTHING.
I WANT NOTHING.
I WANT NO QUID PRO
QUID PRO QUO.
TELL ZELENSKY TO DO
THE RIGHT THING.
>> Reporter:
REPUBLICANS FIRING
BACK SAYING THAT CALL
PROVES HE DID NOTHING
WRONG.
>> YOU SAID TO THE
PRESIDENT OF THE
UNITED STATES, WHAT DO
YOU WANT FROM UKRAINE?
THE PRESIDENT, I WANT
NOTHING.
I WANT NO QUID
QUID PRO QUO.
>> Reporter:
HIGHLIGHTING UKRAINE
RECEIVED MILITARY AID
WITHOUT ANNOUNCING ANY
INVESTIGATIONS.
>> YOU GOT ALL THREE
OF THEM WRONG.
THEY GET THE CALL.
THEY GET THE MEETING.
THEY GET THE MONEY.
IT’S NOT TWO PLUS TWO,
IT’S 0 FOR 3.
I MEAN, I’VE NEVER
SEEN ANYTHING LIKE
THIS.
>> Reporter:
REPUBLICANS SEIZED ON
SONDLAND’S TESTIMONY
THERE IS NO DIRECT
LINK TO PRESIDENT
TRUMP.
>> I DON’T RECALL
PRESIDENT TRUMP EVER
TALKING TO ME ABOUT
ANY SECURITY
ASSISTANCE, EVER.
>> NO ONE ON THIS
PLANET TOLD YOU THAT
PRESIDENT TRUMP WAS
TIEING AID TO
INVESTIGATIONS.
YES OR NO?
>> YES.
>> SO YOU REALLY HAVE
NO TESTIMONY TODAY
THAT TIES PRESIDENT
TRUMP TO A SCHEME TO
WITHHOLD AID FROM
UKRAINE IN EXCHANGE
FROM THESE
INVESTIGATIONS?
>> OTHER THAN MY OWN
PRESUMPTION.
>> WHICH IS NOTHING.
>> Reporter: DEMOCRATS
ARGUE AID WAS RELEASED
AFTER CONGRESS LEARNED
ABOUT THE WHISTLE
BLOWER COMPLAINT AND
THE PRESIDENT WANTED
SOMETHING THAT WOULD
HELP HIM POLITICALLY.
>> WHO WOULD BENEFIT
FROM AN INVESTIGATION
OF THE BIDENS?
>> I ASSUME PRESIDENT
TRUMP WOULD.
>> THERE WE HAVE IT.
SEE.
>> Reporter: AND
DEMOCRATS SAY SONDLAND
BULL STER
BOLSTERS THEIR CASE
PRESIDENT TRUMP
COMMITTED AN
IMPEACHABLE OFFENSE.
>> IT WAS THE
CONDITIONING OF
OFFICIALS ACTS FOR
SOMETHING OF GREAT
VALUE TO THE
PRESIDENT, THESE
POLITICAL
INVESTIGATIONS.
POLITICAL INVESTIGATIONS. IT GOES RIGHT TO THE
HEART OF THE ISSUE OF
BRIBERY, AS WELL AS
OTHER POTENTIAL HIGH
CRIMES OR
MISDEMEANORS.
SO I THINK A VERY
IMPORTANT MOMENT IN
THE HISTORY OF THIS
INQUIRY.
>> Reporter: TONIGHT,
A WAVE OF PUSH BACK TO
SUN
SUN
SUN SUN SONDLAND’S
SUN SONDLAND’S ALLEGATIONS.
SONDLAND’S ALLEGATIONS. THE PRESIDENT SAYING
HE HAS NO RECOLLECTION
OF WHAT SONDLAND
DESCRIBED
DESCRIBED.
DESCRIBED DESCRIBED. THE ACCUSATIONS ABOUT
MIKE POMPEO ARE FALSE
AND RUDY GIULIANI