You know, I've been doing this for 45 years.
There's no category for this, this is just pure evil.
Work of the devil.
He put Shannan's body inside the cab.
In that floorboard on the floor,
that's where they found all the hair.
So this is like a king cab, that has a backseat.
Yeah, four-door. So the girls were,
their feet were on their mommy.
But they thought she was sleeping or sick.
Yeah, well yeah, we don't know what their thought.
We can only imagine.
Well as a grandfather, I can't imagine.
Those are my grandchildren.
I loved them, they were mine.
What do you say to yourself about that?
There's many times that I just feel like giving up.
If it wasn't for god, I wouldn't be here.
I've talked to my wife Robin about this
and she sends her love and she said, I absolutely know
what haunts Sandy as a grandmother
is hearing her daughter's voice in her head
and hearing her grandchildren's voice in her head.
Dr. Phil, I felt my daughter's spirit
the moment she died.
Something woke me up and I sat at the foot, you know,
sat up, and a spear went through my forehead
and I heard the holy spirit say "Shanann."
And I said, holy, did something happen to my daughter?
I knew, I swear to god, I knew.
I woke up Frankie, I woke up the whole house,
I said, something's wrong with Shanann.
I'm telling you, something's wrong.
We didn't even know she was missing yet,
you know, we didn't know anything.
But you knew. Yeah, she knows
all the time, she's got intuition, I don't know how
she knows these things. She came out of my womb.
What did y'all think when she came to you and said this?
I was paranoid. I didn't think anything
of it, yeah, I was like, Mom, you're just worried,
she's probably sleeping. Nothing of it.
What did you learn about Nico at the time
Shanann's life was taken?
We didn't know if it was a boy or a girl yet,
they had found out but they were going to release.
Thursday night, Thursday night they found out.
Wow.
And they were gonna do a coming-out party of being a boy
but they put that on freeze because he was being.
Strange, distant. Yeah, yeah.
And so the baby was alive when her life was taken.
Yes. Yes, and Chris was saying,
to protect himself, that the baby wasn't his
and then they tried to say that the baby wasn't alive,
so I had to give rights of my grandson to the place
to prove that the baby was alive and it was Chris's.
And so there's a medical report now that confirms that.
Absolutely, absolutely. Yes.
So we know now that the baby was alive.
Yes. And the baby was Chris's.
Yes. So we have
three children murdered here, not two.
That's right. You had a real strong
connection as a grandmother to Bella and Cece, right?
Absolutely, absolutely.
We know that Cece was murdered with her blanket.
Yes. That she loved so much.
Yes, yes. Do you torture yourself
with wondering what they were thinking in those
silent moments? Every second of my life.
And what do you say to yourself?
That they were screaming for their mom and us.
No doubt in my mind.
I dream about it all the time.
I say to Frankie every day, I bet you she was screaming
for her momma and her uncle Frankie and her pup-pup.
No doubt in my mind.
We lived with them for 15 months.
Our daughter had lupus, I closed up my flan
and moved to Colorado to help my daughter with Cece.
So I was there in a heartbeat.
You may disagree with this and I don't mean to impose
my beliefs on anyone, but I do believe
in afterlife awareness, and I do believe that Shanann
and Nico and Bella and Cece have access and.
Mhmm.
What did they say to me when they came to see me?
Have they?