I'm not sure that Donald Trump has intend to eat a ham sandwich.
He's not a person who has a plan.
>> That was Ben Shapiro, essentially telling the American people
that Donald Trump is too stupid to hatch up a plan to
essentially overturn the results of the 2020 election.
Now, it's interesting that he says that especially following the damning testimony
that was given under oath during the January 6th hearings this week.
But before we get to that, why don't we hear more from Ben Shapiro's argument?
Now, the biggest problem that any prosecution,
this is what Merrick Garland is facing down.
The biggest problem for any prosecution of Trump is that virtually all the crimes
they're talking about are crimes that require intent as an element of the crime.
They're not negligence crimes, it's not trump sat there, and
didn't really know what's gonna happen, he was careless and reckless about it and
therefore it happened.
Because that again,
recklessness is a lower standard criminal negligence is a lower standard.
If you want to prove intent, and that's what this committee said they were doing.
But they said from the outset there was a seven step plan,
like a concerted plan of intent to get us from November 4th to January 6th,
and that plan was put in place step by step methodically.
They have not proved that there was a plan, right?
It seems more like Donald Trump thrashing against the glass boxes is more,
but it seems like frankly, but that was always true.
Now a few years ago, I said that, I wasn't sure we were talking about Trump in
Ukraine and the impeachment effort, and I said there too, this is a crime of intent.
I'm not sure that Donald Trump has intent to eat a ham sandwich.
He's not a person who has a plan, but
the point is that this is always gonna be a difficulty with Trump.
Because Trump he's so instinctive in the way that he responds to things,
that it's very difficult ever to say that he had intent to do this particular
thing that required a concerted plan.
>> I would just switch out the word intent with intelligence,
because that is what he is essentially saying here.
But when it comes to actual intent,
if you have been paying attention to the January 6th hearings, you will see that
the intent it's been proven in multiple different sessions of the hearing.
We're gonna show you one in just a moment, but
this tweet I think sums it perfectly this is awesome.
He's literally saying the leader of their movement is too stupid to even understand
he's committing crimes, >> Yeah.
>> Which by the way, the too stupid to understand, he's committing crimes is
probably true, but that doesn't change the fact that he was committing crimes
with the intent to commit those crimes, and we'll talk about that in a minute.
>> Yeah, but don't dismiss Shapiro's argument, because I think that is
the exact argument Trump's lawyers will use if he's ever charged.
>> 100%.
>> So first they will focus on the intent, that part is definitely true.
Secondly they will make an argument that look at him.
I mean as Shapiro described, he's like a thrashing about again in a plastic box,
like [SOUND] look, they're like our leader is a caveman and
Neanderthal he's saying plan intend to plan.
This guy couldn't plan his way out of a wet paper bag.
That's what we said all the time, and
they were like, that's outrageous you know he's a genius.
Really? Now that he might be charged with a crime,
no he's an idiot.
Okay no, and by the way, this is when Shapiro is actually being honest.
Shapiro is known all along from day one that Donald Trump is one of the dumbest
people in political life ever in American history, dumbest rocks.
And he just told you, you don't have to take my word for
it he said, he does not have the capacity to plan.
Can you call someone more stupid than that, that they don't even have
the capacity to the plan one step ahead, and that's who Trump is.
>> It sounds a lot like the Affluenza, >> Yeah.
>> Defense, which unfortunately in the Affluenza case.
We're talking about a judge providing that defense it
was someone who had stolen a car.
A rich kid who had stolen a car and then stole alcohol from a grocery store, and
then proceeded to crash into people on the side of the road killing two if I remember
correctly.
>> He had guys in the back of his pickup truck, I'm not sure he stole the car,
did he steal stuff from the store?
And 4 people died in the crash.
>> 4 people died?
>> Yeah.
And they said yeah, but he's rich.
So which people- >> He doesn't doesn't
understand the consequences of his actions as a rich kid.
>> Yeah.
>> That was literally what the judge said.
>> It worked.
So they with Trump, they might go with stupidenza,
like he's too stupid to understand the consequences of his actions.
And Ben Shapiro has already officially started that campaign.
>> So, >> And
by the way today if the elections were held, Ben would vote for Donald Trump.
>> Now I do agree that Donald Trump is stupid, but there was intent and
the testimony we heard from former White House Chief of Staff, Mark Meadows,
top aide, Cassidy Hutchinson was pretty damning.
Now during the hearing, the last hearing that happened, she provided the under oath
testimony indicating that Donald Trump knew that the rioters were heavily armed,
because the rioters wanted to attend the rally that preceded the chaos and
the rioting that took place in the capital.
And he wanted them to get into the official rallying area, but
they were unable to do so because they were heavily armed.
Trump was furious that they weren't being allowed in,
he was demanding that they be allowed in the area.
And then after that as they were marching to the capitol chanting,
hang mike Pence, remember Trump knows they're heavily armed.
He was encouraged to calm things down, but he didn't,
let's watch that part of the testimony.
>> I remember Pat saying something to the effect of Mark, we need to do something
more there literally calling for the vice president of the F in Hong.
And Mark had responded something to the effect of you heard him Pat,
he thinks Mike deserves that, he doesn't think they're doing anything wrong.
>> He deserves it, he doesn't think they're doing anything wrong.
Trump knew that they were heavily armed,
Trump knew that they were approaching the capitol chanting Mike Pence.
And he didn't want to stop it because he felt that Mike Pence deserved it for
refusing to implement this plan of using Sham electors to overturn
the results of the 2020 election.
>> Yeah so now as I double down on what Anna said, remember I'm not the only one,
and when it's not at all, just liberals.
So first of all, his former counsel during the Mueller probe,
Donald Trump's lawyer Ty Cobb today said the evidence is damning.
And that he's like, if this is a sedition, I don't know what is.
That's Trump's lawyer saying, okay?
Now Fox news analysts saying, well I mean you gotta charge them with crimes here.
And in the Fox News analyst was like, so
this is a conspiracy that might be a tough one.
But interfering with government officials, he's like, this is a layup.
I'm not saying I'm in favor of it.
I'm just saying it's a layup interfering with government officials with
intent to harm, is 20 years in prison.
And he said that's also basically a layup, okay.
And so guys now double doubling down with Anna and
other Republican strategist lawyers and officials are saying, if you intended for
them to go to the capital, you intended for them to have weapons.
And you knew they might use the weapons on your own vice president, and
they might murder him.
And you continue to encourage them and he did, he sent a tweet saying Pence was at
fault, when he knew that Pence's life was in danger.
You had every element of intent necessary.
You couldn't have known it any more than Trump knew it, according to the testimony.
So even for someone as admittedly dumb as Ben Shapiro says, Donald Trump is,
even that person could have intent if you prove it this clearly.
Now that isn't a question, the question is, what is the intent of Merrick Garland?
Because democrats are the weakest, most pathetic people in the world.
So you can have the most slam dunk case in the world,
his own lawyer could be telling you, what are you idiot?
The evidence is damning, why don't you do something already?
And Merrick garland can continue to go [SOUND].
It would be politically polarizing the charge the president.
>> Yeah, well one final thing I wanna mention is Trump's recent
interview on Newsmax, because he goes on Newsmax and
he wants them to keep pushing, cuz this is another piece of evidence.
It's amazing.
He knows what he's doing.
Okay, he might be stupid but in this regard he knows what he's doing,
we know what his intent is.
He goes on Newsmax, and says please continue pushing the big lie, let's watch.
>> Look look at the dishonesty of this committee,
they don't talk about any of the things that refute January 6th.
They don't talk about the election numbers, they don't analyze the election,
the people were there because the election was rigged and stolen.
So what they should be doing is trying to convince people that it wasn't.
You do that through analyzing the numbers, they don't wanna do that, in fact,
they don't even wanna hear that.
And Fox doesn't put it on, and by the way, you people don't put it on either.
You're afraid of being sued or something, I don't know something.
You'll have to explain that.
>> This is two thousands_ >> They'll probably cut what
I'm saying now.
>> Of course no,_ >> Right now I don't know.
[CROSSTALK] >> Don't et it done fast before Chris
season, okay?
But I might cut it out and let's just see, I hope they put it on?
>> Yeah. >> But this was about a rigged and
stolen election that millions and millions of people felt is true.
>> No intent, no intent.
We agree with you, he's an idiot, but he knows what he's doing.
And he talked about the numbers, what numbers?
He challenged the election in more than 60 court cases.
He lost every single one of them, what numbers is he talking about?
Not a shred of evidence, indicating that there was widespread voter fraud.
Or even enough voter fraud,
to change the results in some of these swing states that he lost.
And then what about the down ballot elections, where republicans won?
Were those rigged to, come on Ben, I know you gotta like carry water for
the losers in your party, but stop enabling them.
Like it's obvious he doesn't like Trump, it's obvious he knows trump is stupid,
stop providing cover for him.
What are you doing?
>> Well, we know what he's doing, money, money, money, money, money, money money.
Because he tried for a little while he was in the against Trump Bench Bureau was,
early on 2016.
And his audience was leaving him in droves and he's like, there goes my money.
Never mind, I'll sell out all my principles, please come back and
Ben Shapiro spent the next 3 to 4 years buried inside Donald Trump's.
So, then he comes around and he tells us no don't, please don't prosecute daddy,
cuz daddy is too stupid to know what he's doing.
>> Don't worry I hear that Texas is planning on banning that.
No more dairy air delights, okay?
>> Yeah that's right.
So last things here, why did trump think that Chris Ruddy who runs Newsmax?
That's who he was referencing was gonna cut it out, because if you say things that
are untrue people sue you like Dominion and Smartmatic.
And it cost you billions of dollars, and Chris Ruddy who runs Newsmax and
Fox News they know that Donald Trump is a serial pathological liar.
And if they lie about that they're gonna get sued.
And and then the last thing is,
hey Donald Trump you keep saying why don't they talk about the 2020 election?
I want equal time, I want equal time, no problem go testify.
They'll give you all the time in the world,
they will give you as much time as Cassie Hutchinson or all the people combined.
Go tell them about all of your great amazing data.
And you got the receipts right, and you've got all the fraudulent votes and
the cracking and the dumps you got them all, go get them big guy, go get him.
Go get him.
>> Testify, you don't want to cuz you're guilty.
>> Yeah just like Jenny Thomas who first said can't wait to talk to the house
committee.
>> Now she can wait [LAUGH].
>> All of a sudden