>>> AND A CLOSER THAN EXPECTED SENATE RACE IN OHIO HEATING UP
OVERNIGHT. DEMOCRAT TIM RYAN AND REPUBLICAN
J.D. VANCE FACED OFF IN THEIR FIRST DEBATE.
SOMETHING TO SEE. WITH ME NOW IS CNN'S OMAR
JIMENEZ. SOME DEBATE THERE.
>> YEAH. SOMETHING TO SEE TO SAY THE
LEAST. BY FAR THE MOST CONTENTIOUS
DEBATE SEEN THIS MIDTERM CYCLE. J.D. VANCE AND TIM RYAN TALKING
PAST EACH OTHER, AT EACH OTHER. MODERATORS TRYING TO JUMP IN.
VANCE DESCRIBING, COMPARING RYAN TO A TODDLER AT ONE POINT.
RYAN SAYING VANCE IS NOT STICKING UP FOR HIMSELF WHEN
TRUMP'S ADVANCERS WERE KISSING HIS ASS FOR SUPPORT IS INDYK
TIFB OF THE TYPE OF SENATOR HE'S GOING TO BE.
>> Reporter: A NAIL-BITER SENATE RACE HEATING UP IN OHIO.
>> VERY CLOSE TO HALLOWEEN AND TIM RYAN HAS PUT ON A COSTUME
PRETENDING TO BE A REASONABLE MODERATE.
>> I'M FROM OHIO. I DON'T KISS ANYONE'S ASS.
OHIO NEEDS AN ASS KICKER, NOT AN ASS KISSER.
>> Reporter: A CLOSER THAN EXPECTED CONTEST THAT COULD
DETERMINE THE POWER IN THE SENATE.
ABORTION, RYAN PLANNED TO CODIFY ROE V. WADE.
>> MODERATION ON THIS ISSUE. EXTREME POSITION.
J.D., YOU CALL RAPE INCONVENIENT.
RIGHT? THAT'S RAPE -- RAPE IS NOT
INCONVENIENT. IT'S A SIGNIFICANT TRAGEDY, AND
HE THINKS THAT WE SHOULD HAVE OHIO STATE LAW, WHICH SAYS IF
YOU RAPE OR INCEST, A PERSON WHO IS INCEST, YOU SHOULD BE FORCED
TO HAVE THE BABY. >> Reporter: VANCE SAYS HE'S NOT
AS EXTREME ON THE ISSUE AS RYAN CLAIMS.
>> I AM PRO-LIFE. ALWAYS BEEN PRO-LIFE.
MY VIEW ON THIS IS SPEAKING OHIO IS GOING TO HAVE DIFFERENT
ABORTION LAWS THAN CALIFORNIA AND TEXAS AND I THINK OHIO
SHOULD HAVE THAT RIGHT, BUT SOME MINIMUM NATIONAL STANDARD IS
TOTALLY FINE WITH ME. >> Reporter: THEN THE ABORTION
ISSUE TOOK A HEATED TURN AND VANCE BROUGHT UP A 10-YEAR-OLD
GIRL'S RAPE CASE. THAT GIRL TRAVELED TO INDIANA
FOR AN ABORTION AFTER ROE V. WADE WAS OVERTURNED AND IN
OHIO-BANNED ABORTIONS AS EARLY AS SIX WEEKS IN A PREGNANCY.
>> I'VE SAID REPEATEDLY ON THE RECORD THAT THAT GIRL SHOULD BE
ABLE TO GET AN ABORTION IF SHE AND HER FAMILY SO CHOOSE TO DO
SO. THE THING THEY NEVER MENTIONED
THAT POOR GIRL WAS RAPED BY AN ILLEGAL ALIEN, NEVER SHOULD HAVE
BEEN IN THIS STATE IN THE FIRST PLACE.
IF YOU HAD DONE YOUR JOB HE WOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN RAPED IN
THE FIRST PLACE. >> VANCE WENT ON OFFENSE TO
PAINT RYAN AS TOEING THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY LINE DESPITE
FORM PRESIDENT TRUMP TOEING THE LINE TWICE.
>> HE TALKS ABOUT WANTING TO BE BIPARTISAN AND GET THINGS DONE.
TIM, YOU'VE BEEN IN CONGRESS 20 YEARS AND THE BORDER PROBLEM HAS
GOTTEN WORSE AND WORSE AND WORSE.
>> Reporter: RYAN THEN ALLEGING THE FORMER VENTURE CAPITALIST
DEPENDED ON FOREIGN VOTERS. >> HE HAS BUSINESSES IN OHIO
THAT ACTUALLY HIRE FOREIGN WORKERS.
DO YOU THINK WE'RE STUPID, J.D.? AND WE'RE NOT.
I'M JUST TELLING YOU THAT YOU ARE -- YOU'RE FROM SILICON
VALLEY. YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT'S
GOING ON HERE IN OHIO. >> Reporter: CLAIMING A NEW WAVE
OF YOUNGER LEADERSHIP IS NEEDED IN WASHINGTON.
>> DO YOU WANT PRESIDENT BIDEN TO RUN AGAIN IN 2024?
>> NO. I'VE BEEN VERY CLEAR.
I'D LIKE TO SEE A GENERATIONAL CHANGE.
MITCH McCONNELL, DONALD TRUMP, THE PRESIDENT, EVERYBODY, LIKE,
WE NEED A NEW GENERATION OF LEADERSHIP.
>> Reporter: VANCE AND RYAN ALSO SPARRED OVER THE THREAT OF MAGA
REPUBLICANS. >> ARE WE HAVING A GOOD TIME?
GREAT TO HAVE THE PRESIDENT BACK IN OHIO.
>> Reporter: VANCE REPEATED TRUMP SUPPORT THROUGHOUT HIS
SENATE RACE AND RALLIED WITH HIM.
>> I WANT PEOPLE IN OHIO TO UNDERSTAND.
THIS IS THE CROWD J.D. IS RUNNING AROUND WITH.
THE ELECTION DENIERS. THE EXTREMISTS.
HE'S RUNNING WITH AN EXTREME -- VERY, VERY DANGEROUS.
>> I FIND IT INTERESTING HOW PRE-OCCUPIED YOU ARE WITH THIS
AT A TIME PEOPLE CAN'T AFFORD GROCERY, CAN'T AFFORD TO WALK
DOWN THE STREET SAFELY. LET'S FOCUS ON THE SIGNIFICANT
ISSUES RIGHT NOW, TIM. >> Reporter: THIS IS A STATE
PRESIDENT TRUMP CARRIED TWICE BY ABOUT EIGHT POINTS AND POLLS
KNOW SHUE NO CLEAR LEADER. SIGNIFICANT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE
AMOUNT OF MONEY REPUBLICANS SPENT ON ADS.
OVER $90 MILLION TO THIS POINT AND DEMOCRATS AROUND $30
MILLION. ONLY SURPASSED IN TOTAL SPENDING
BY RACES IN WISCONSIN, PENNSYLVANIA, ARIZONA AND
GEORGIA. ALL PLACES WHERE TURNS OUT
THINGS ARE GOING TO BE CLOSE. >> LOOK, TIM RYAN AND ALLIES
SAYING THE DEMOCRATS, LOOK AT
US. WE'RE HERE.
REALLY CLOSE. COME HELP US OUT.
DON'T MAKE IT A MONEY THING IF THAT'S WHAT WE LOSE HERE FOR IN
OHIO. THANK YOU FOR SHOWING US WHAT
HAPPENED LAST NIGHT. >> JOINING ME TO DISCUSS THIS IS
OUR PANEL. A LOT OF KISSING.
A LOT OF OTHER THINGS GOING ON IN THAT DEBATE LAST NIGHT.
BUT A REALLY FEISTY SHOWING FOR BOTH OF THEM.
BUT FOR PARTICULARLY I THINK TIM RYAN WHO IS KIND OF -- HE'S
DUKING IT OUT AND HE WOULD SAY REALLY ALL ON HIS OWN TO TRY TO
FLIP THIS SEAT THAT DEMOCRATS BASICALLY SAY OHIO IS LIKE KIND
OF GONE. >> YEAH, I MEAN, LISTEN, ALL OF
THE SORT PROGNOSTICATORS SAY THIS IS A LEAN R STATE.
WE HAVE SEEN IN PREVIOUS PRESIDENTIAL ELECTIONS IT'S GONE
HEAVILY FOR TRUMP IN THE LAST TWO CYCLES AND SO THAT'S WHY
DEMOCRATS AREN'T REALLY PUTTING MUCH MONEY INTO IT.
TIM RYAN HAS HIS OWN SOMETHING. SOMETHING LIKE $25 MILLION
PUTTING IT ON THE AIR BUT DEMOCRATS HAVE TO FIGURE OUT IF
THIS IS A RACE THEY WANT TO PUT EXTRA MONEY INTO BECAUSE THEY'VE
GOT A STATE THAT THEY COULD POSSIBLY FLIP.
IT'S OBVIOUSLY AN OPEN SEAT BUT WE'LL SEE.
TIM RYAN DOING MUCH BETTER THAN I THINK PEOPLE THOUGHT HE WOULD.
>> ONE THING I HEAR PRETTY CONSISTENTLY FROM DEMOCRATS EVEN
THE ONES WHO DON'T NECESSARILY THINK IT IS WINNABLE THINK HE IS
RUNNING A GREAT CAMPAIGN. PART IS WHAT HE IS DOING IN THE
CLIP. DISTANCING HIMSELF FROM NATIONAL
DEMOCRATS. >> TIM RYAN AND JOE BIDEN HAVE
CONSPIRED TOGETHER TO REJECT EVERY BORDER WALL FUNDING
PROPOSAL, TO REJECT EVERY PROPOSAL TO CUT OFF THE AMNESTY,
TO REJECT EVERY PROPOSAL THAT WOULD ACTUALLY SECURE OUR BORDER
AND STOP THE FLOW OF THESE ILLEGAL --
>> KAMALA HARRIS IS ABSOLUTELY WRONG ON THAT.
IT'S NOT -- WE HAVE A LOT OF WORK TO DO.
>> SO WILL THAT WORK? >> I MEAN, TIM RYAN IS MAKING A
PRETTY GOOD RUN AT IT AS YOU SAID.
HE HAS MANAGED IN THIS CAMPAIGN TO DO SOMETHING WHICH IS
RELATIVELY DIFFICULT FOR MEMBERS OF EITHER POLITICAL PARTY WHICH
IS TO DISTANCE HIMSELF FROM THE PARTY BRAND IN THIS CASE FROM
PRESIDENT BIDEN. AND I THINK THAT THAT'S PART OF
THE REASON WHY HE IS STILL HOLDING HIS OWN IN WHAT IS
OTHERWISE A PRETTY DIFFICULT STATE FOR DEMOCRATS.
I THINK THE VALUE JUDGMENT THAT PARTY OFFICIALS AND STRATEGISTS
HAVE HAD TO MAKE IS, THIS IS REALLY A REACH.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE FUNDAMENTALS OF THE STATE, IF YOU LOOK AT THE
FUNDAMENTALS OF THE RACE, AND GIVEN THE MATH THEY'RE FACING
THEY NEED TO DOUBLE DOWN I THINK A LOT WOULD SAY IN THE PLACES
WHERE THEY HAVE MORE OF A CHANCE TO PICK UP A SEAT AND SO THIS
WOULD BE GREAT IF THEY COULD GET THE ROB PORTMAN SEAT, HE IS
RETIRING AND THEY WOULD LOVE IT BUT I THINK THE REASON WHY WE'RE
SEEING THIS SORT OF LACK OF ENGAGEMENT RELATIVELY SPEAKING
IS BECAUSE IT IS REALLY A REACH EVEN THOUGH HE HAS BEEN ABLE TO
REALLY DISTINGUISH HIMSELF FROM THE REST OF HIS PARTY IN A LOT
OF WAYS. >> TO BUILD ON JULIE'S POINT,
DEMOCRATS ARE MOST FOCUSED ON KEEPING THE SEATS THAT THEY
ALREADY HAVE IN A REALLY TOUGH ELECTION YEAR.
PUTTING MONEY INTO STATES LIKE GEORGIA WHERE YOU HAVE
INCUMBENTS ON THE BALLOT AS WELL AS ARIZONA AND NEVADA AND SO
THIS JUST HAS NOT BEEN TOP OF MIND FOR THEM BUT ONE DEMOCRATIC
PARTY OFFICIAL TELLING ME TODAY AS YOU WERE JUST SAYING, NIA,
THAT THEY VIEW THIS AS A REPUBLICAN STATE.
IT'S JUST A TOUGH SITUATION. BUT THAT THEY DO SEE RYAN AS A
GOOD CANDIDATE WHO'S GIVING VANCE A RUN FOR HIS MONEY.
>> ONE OF THE PROBLEMS, I THINK, AND THE REASON YOU HEAR A LOT OF
FRUSTRATION IN THE RYAN CAMP IS J.D. VANCE WAS STRUGGLING.
A LITTLE ON THE ROPES THEN YOU SEE THE REPUBLICANS, MOSTLY
REALLY MITCH McCONNELL POURING MONEY IN TO GIVE HIM A BIT OF A
MONEY ADVANTAGE, 15 MILLION ON THE GOP SIDE TO JUST 5 MILLION
ON THE DEMOCRATIC SIDE AND HE WAS ON "MORNING JOE" THIS
MORNING TALKING ABOUT JUST THE FACT THAT HE IS ALL BY HIS
LONESOME OVER IN OHIO. LISTEN.
>> WE STILL CAN'T GET THE KIND OF AIR SUPPORT THAT J.D. VANCE
IS GETTING BUT, LOOK, MAKE NO MISTAKE, WE JUST HAD A HUGE
FUND-RAISING HAUL AND RAISED $17 MILLION, THE NATIONAL AND STATE
DONOR BASE ARE BEING VERY, VERY HELPFUL.
YOU KNOW, LOW DOLLAR DONORS, LIKE IT A LITTLE BIT THAT WE'RE
DAVID VERSUS GOLIATH BECAUSE WE'LL SHOCK THE WORLD.
>> IT WOULD BE A SHOCK. >> HE KIND OF DOESN'T LIKE --
>> LISTEN, MORE MONEY IS MORE MONEY, YOU KNOW, IN A RACE THIS
CLOSE IN A STATE AS BIG AS OHIO. IT'S A RED STATE, A RED YEAR
WHICH IS WHY DEMOCRATS ARE SAYING, LISTEN, LET'S FOCUS ON
NEVADA AND GEORGIA. LET'S FOCUS ON A REACH STATE
LIKE MAYBE PENNSYLVANIA OR WISCONSIN, RATHER THAN OHIO
WHICH HAS PROVEN TO BE A HEARTBREAKING STATE FOR
DEMOCRAT. >> HAD THEY THINK IT'S CLOSE
IT'S NOT THAT CLOSE. THAT'S WHY THEY'RE HOLDING BACK